Agreed. I think it’s at that point when many people realize there was something special about the films. It’s why these movies have so many lifelong fans.
Since we have already changed some 3PO lines and cut out the reference to R2 having his memory backed up, I wanted to go ahead and see if it would be possible to not have R2 reupload 3PO’s memories at all. This is what I came up with.
I think the first scene, where 3PO meets R2 again, could be moved to before the scenes with Rey on Ach-To. That way it feels like R2 and 3PO have been speaking for awhile, and we catch back up with them in the middle of a conversation. I also slightly changed 3PO’s lines regarding the transmission to make him speak more objectively, since he may not have been caught up on who Luke is yet. It might not be right for Ascendant, but I thought I’d go ahead and share it.
Since it might take a little work to mask out the windows and such, perhaps Coruscant could just be added to the shot of the Knights’ flying toward the Star Destroyer. Maybe Coruscant could be added to the bottom of the screen, similar to how poppa replaced Endor in that one shot of the Falcon flying toward Kef Bir.
Here’s how it would be with just the TIEs shot.
I love it!
Hal, I know you changed some of 3PO’s lines, but this was an older idea I had where we see 3PO (heh heh) desperately try to fulfill his function as a protocol droid, much to a stormtrooper’s annoyance.
There’s a lot of lines, and he already mentioned some already and shared a YouTube link in Dom’s thread.
Oh really? I must have forgotten or totally missed that you did that.
I have mentioned this before but it would be nice to make Leia a little more talkative.
For example, when Rey tells Leia she is going to look for the wayfinder and Leia says no, you could have Leia start saying why she disagrees, then have Rey interrupt her. So something like, “No, we need-“. The way it is now, Leia just says no, then stands there silently without giving Rey an explanation. I think it would just help make it feel like a real conversation rather than a mad lib experiment.
Or, more simply, Leia could say “No, it’s too dangerous.”
Totally agree! It’s exactly what I had in mind, too. The tricky part is just finding something similar to that. But if we can’t, we really could have her start saying anything if Rey interrupts her before we get the full context.
Did Carrie voice Leia for the game?
I think most of the actors voice their characters in LEGO TFA, including Harrison Ford.
Oh really? I must have forgotten or totally missed that you did that.
I have mentioned this before but it would be nice to make Leia a little more talkative.
For example, when Rey tells Leia she is going to look for the wayfinder and Leia says no, you could have Leia start saying why she disagrees, then have Rey interrupt her. So something like, “No, we need-“. The way it is now, Leia just says no, then stands there silently without giving Rey an explanation. I think it would just help make it feel like a real conversation rather than a mad lib experiment.
Another idea would be to give Leia an extra line when she hands the saber back to Rey. Something like, “This is yours”, “Keep it”, etc. I know Dom had the idea of having Rey say, “I will earn your family’s saber”. If you did that, it would be cool to have Leia say, “You are family.” It would also be a nice set up for Rey taking the name Skywalker later, and it would feel more like Leia gave her her blessing to take the name at that point. Maybe we could piece lines together Carrie interviews if we can’t find suitable Leia lines anywhere.
There are a few other places too, like Leia could say something like, “Good luck” when she gives Rey the saber to run the training course, or when Rey starts saying, “Didn’t finish the training course. Got distracted.” It would be nice if Leia said something first like, “What happened?” or “What’s wrong?” Because at first it just feels like Rey is talking to herself.
Anyway, I would just like to see a few extra lines for Leia if it can feel natural.
Thanks for sharing all of that! Do you know if there are any lines for Leia as well?
Damn, of course I make the simplest grammar mistake in a sentence criticizing someone else’s grammar. 😂
I mean it wasn’t you, and even if it was you’re Australian, so you’re English is just naturally weird.
EDIT: 100% joking
I thought that too!
And it could be another way to show Hux is losing his influence within the First Order. Clearly he is not as important as he was in the previous films, and if his army is becoming less important, then we have a more tangible reason why Pryde’s political influence is outgrowing Hux’s.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing!
Although I’m not a huge proponent for turning the Final Order troopers into clones, it would be a simple way to explain how they were able to man all of those Star Destroyers, as well as not have Finn kill his own former brothers in arms during the final battle.
I know someone already made a test of throwing in some of Temuera Morrison’s clone lines and grunts during the battle, but there is also another place or two where you can insert some more clone references.
First of all, you could replace this off-screen line during the First Order meeting:
“We’ll need to increase recruitments, harvest the galaxy’s young.”
Since this bears little weight in the overall plot to the movie, since the fleet seems ready by the next day, it could be used as good line of exposition to explain how they’re able to have this fleet manned in less than 24 hours. So, maybe you could have a new line like this:
“We’ll need to man the fleet, utilize their clone army.”
Later on in the movie, when the Resistance arrives on Exegol, a masked Final Order technician says, “Captain, we have Resistance craft incoming.”
We could use Morrison’s lines from the original Battlefront to construct a similar line, something simple like this:
“Sir, enemies sighted.”
Of course, we could just assume the red suits are new gear for First Order troopers, but since the Sith cult already has cloning technology, it could be an interesting tie-in.
Random thought: To try to help imply the Sith Fleet are old Imperial Star Destroyers, perhaps you could have Palpatine say, “The might of the Empire will soon be ready, if you do as I ask” rather than referring to it as the “Final Order”. I think calling it by a new name, The Final Order, implies that this is a new fleet, while we want to imply that this is an old one.
EDIT: Furthermore, you could change Palpatine’s line from “A new Empire” to “A new Order”. Since Kylo said he wanted to “bring a new order to the galaxy” in TLJ, if Palpatine more clearly offers to give him his want from the previous movie, it may increase Kylo’s motivation to go along with Palpatine’s plan. That’s if shifting the words around sounds alright, though.
Lol, I’m pretty sure they say in the Visual Dictionary he speaks Sith. It sounds like Sith. Even more reason to replace it with Palpatine’s broadcast, even if it wasn’t the whole thing.
I wish there was a way to imply Poe was sending his speech as a message with Chewie and Han to broadcast to the Core Worlds. So that way, Poe plays a crucial leadership role by countering Palpatine’s message of fear with a message of hope. So it is Poe that pushes the galaxy to stand together, rather than Lando just being Lando. Maybe we could R2 recording Poe during his speech, then see R2 plugged up to the Falcon during the montage? Not really sure.
New computer who dis?
I never really liked the Palpatine broadcast, but I do like the idea of the message the spy gave Poe and Finn be a broadcast that was specifically meant for the First Order. If they all actually heard his voice, I can understand why they didn’t doubt the authenticity of the information.
As the film is now, Poe feels like a leaker telling fans the plot of the film.
JediPaxis: Somehow, Palpatine returned.
But like kraus said, I think it could also work as a replacement for Beaumont translating the Sith-language transmission. Because WHY are they transmitting a broadcast in a language that no one can understand?
Octorox, you’re the man!
I’m not sure if Dom has shared it on his thread, but I know he played around with using some of the TFA dialogue (but extracted from that YouTube video I think). So you having it all will be immensely helpful. I also think having Carrie’s dialogue might be useful to have Leia say a few extra tidbits when her mouth is off-camera.
EDIT: I think he did use some of those lines in one of his clips!
Beyond the CG footage sticking out from the following live-action sequence, there’s a few other reasons why I don’t think the battlefront footage fits in.
Compare this to the opening of TFA. We see the transports leave the destroyer from space, and we later see them land at the village. We follow these ships to the action. These Mustafar shuttles have no introduction and we cut to them jarringly, never to see them again. As others have mentioned, we also see a Star Destroyer in-atmosphere, even though the only Star Destroyer we previously saw was in orbit. These shots imply that we are also witnessing the beginning of this battle, but when we cut to Kylo Ren it appears as if we are in the middle of the battle already. Also, the normal speed of the battlefront shots doesn’t gel really well with the slow-motion Kylo’s shots.
These shots thrown in where they are arguably makes this opening sequence more erratic than it was, imo. It’s not that I don’t like it in theory, but I don’t really see or feel how these shots flow into one another. It’s why I didn’t like how the original jumped from space, and immediately into the middle of a battle.
That is why I like the shot of the TIEs flying over the battlefield. We get visual continuity between the space shot and the landscape shot with the TIEs flying in Vic formation. Perhaps you could create even stronger visual continuity between the landscape shot and the first ground shot by adding small yellow and red blaster bolts zipping across the battlefield, since we also see the in the following shot with Kylo. Adding element of battle, like blaster fire and explosions, might help alleviate that comforting feeling you also described that shot having. We see that we are already in the midst of battle, which lines up with what we see in the following Kylo sequence.
To me, that flyby shot is the only shot we’ve experimented with that genuinely feels like it could’ve been plopped right into the theatrical movie. I just personally don’t think the battlefront shots hold up from a visual perspective or an editing perspective.
I hate saying that because I know other editors put a lot of time into making those shots fit better into the scene and I think they did a great job at that (my problem with the footage definitely isn’t their contribution to it!). This whole Mustafar conundrum has been a long process of experimentation and trial & error. But it just comes down to honestly figuring out what works and what doesn’t. And out of everything this what I think makes the most sense.
TL;DR: RL is a stickler for visual continuity.
Since the first big version of Ascendant is sticking with Rey Palpatine, I wish there was a moment in the film where we had a version of the Emperor’s theme, but with a female choir. Like maybe you could hear it as Rey is entering the Exegol temple. But I don’t even think a female version of the Emperor’s theme exists anywhere. Or even a dark side version of Rey’s theme.
If you have a specific version of the Emperor’s theme that you like, I’d be happy to add a female choir on top of it doing the melody. I just wouldn’t want to have a non-John Williams track in the movie, so I wouldn’t do a track from scratch.
That would be cool! Maybe you something from the part from “Fanfare and Prologue” that goes from around 3:40-4:10.
Here’s an intended-as-final Mustafar sequence.
I’m still not crazy about the battlefront footage, but I don’t think there’ll ever be a version that will satisfy everyone. Maybe if the TIE flyby shot had little blaster shots buzzing across the landscape to imply the battle is already going on. But if you‘re happy enough with it then I say wrap it up here.
Old-Endor is now Korkar, ice moon of Endor.
Here’s the literature courtesy of Hal: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Korkarhttps://vimeo.com/433262581
pw: fanedit
You constantly blow my mind, poppa. The fact that you actually delved into canon to replace it, too. Hahaha.
Since the first big version of Ascendant is sticking with Rey Palpatine, I wish there was a moment in the film where we had a version of the Emperor’s theme, but with a female choir. Like maybe you could hear it as Rey is entering the Exegol temple. But I don’t even think a female version of the Emperor’s theme exists anywhere. Or even a dark side version of Rey’s theme.
Or just recolor it slightly.
EDIT: That Ochi test is really good poppa!
Excellent job processing these! Obviously the priority should be on the best deliveries, and each of them had great options, but it would be nice if each of the voices were different enough to tell them apart from each other, too.
Ap’Lek- 8, 6
Kuruk - 5, 7
Ushar - 5, 3 (But I really like the way #8 says, “Spread out!”)
Vicrul - 8, 3
The battlefront footage makes it feel blatantly like a fan-edit, in my opinion. The only shot that I think actually works is the TIEs flying over. Just that shot alone would be enough to act as a buffer between the planet establishing shot and the first shot of Kylo.
Could you pass along the footage if you have it?