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#1470328
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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EddieDean said:

Could do. And wasted is a much better solution there. But I’m no great audio editor, I mainly just wanted to make the tool for the community. I’m committed to finishing Clone Wars before picking up anything new!

Totally! Definitely the priority is CW: Refocused. This is something I plan on playing around with myself sometime soon. (Though now I also want to work on the Boba Fett idea I mentioned in the other thread… and work on the Rey Nobody edit…)
I think your test is a very good sign though that we can make Jar Jar easier to understand at the very least.

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#1470267
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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This is really promising! The first ‘Mesa’ comes off a little strong, but rewatching it it isn’t that bad. I do think that last line replacement is a little dirty, since you can hear a little music/sound effects in the audio still. I almost wonder if that line would be served better with some silence. Jar Jar lingers on that fact, and maybe it’ll seem like the gears are turning in Padmé’s head.

In that very first line, I assumed Jar Jar is saying ‘pasted’. I wonder if you could change it to “Gungans get wasted too, eh?”
Maybe the meaning of the word ‘pasted’ is clear to others, but maybe ‘wasted’ would be a little clearer to understand. Maybe you could make this change if you got the write W sound.

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#1470194
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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An idea I would like to eventually play around with is to reuse the footage of Luke getting his hand shot, but have Boba be the one to shoot his hand instead of some random guard on the sail barge.

Basically, a summary of changes I’ve thought of making:

  1. Make the jet pack sound effect sound a little beefier (sort of how they made it sound in Mando 201)
  2. Have Boba immediately fire when he lands on the skiff, and the shot whizzes past Luke’s head. (You could potentially have him take a shot or two off while he is flying, but you might not want him to miss too much)
  3. Rotoscope a yellow electric energy onto the cable wire Boba shoots around Luke. Although we see this cable wire without this effect in Mando, other media have depicted the wire with the energy, like here in Rebels (at the 1:25 mark), and it could add some nice visual flare to the scene that could make Boba cooler.
  4. When the sail barge turret shot that knocks Boba down fires, we don’t really see it, just where it impacts. So maybe we could add a blaster deflection sound effect to imply that Luke managed to deflect it while he was tied up. You could also add a blaster shot that passes by camera when Luke flicks his lightsaber. I think this scene may have been trying to imply this, but it could be made clearer.
  5. When Boba lands on the floor of the skiff, add some spark sound/visual effects coming from out of frame, emanating from his now-damaged jet pack.
  6. As Boba is starting to aim his shot at Luke, you could add a some more brief sparks to help set up his new vulnerability more.
  7. When Han says, “Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where?” have him say this quicker, then add a Chewbacca growl, as if he is telling Han where he is, then Han swings based off where Chewbacca said he was. Han isn’t saying “Where?” as he is swinging.
  8. Boba shot does not miss Luke, but makes contact.
  9. Rotoscope Luke’s hand getting shot and his quick reaction shot and put them at this moment. (If there is trouble with making his reaction shot fit, maybe we could just put Luke shouting in pain over the hand insert)
  10. Remove Boba’s scream (which many people have already done)
  11. After Boba falls in, replace the Sarlaac burping with the sound of muffled blaster shots. It could imply he survives, or he still dies, but it depicts Boba as tough despite the circumstances.

And of course, you would remove his hand getting shot later on since we have placed it sooner.

You could make an argument that you might need to add Luke’s hand injury to any shots where we might see it, but we actually don’t see his injury on his hand after it gets shot even in the theatrical, so I wouldn’t say it is priority.
I would try and make any new blaster shots or any other new effects fit with the 1983 look. Nothing super modern looking.

It is still goofy that he goes in close range when he could’ve taken him out from a distance, but that’s Star Wars for you. If you wanted to rationalize it, you could perhaps give Boba a line or two during this scene. Maybe he could say something like, “He’s worth a lot” (that way you could use both the original and new dubs), implying that Boba might use the chaos to claim the bounty, that certainly must exist on Luke, for himself. This also makes Boba appear more self-serving rather just a Jabba lackey.
If that didn’t work, you could maybe reuse “He’s no good to me dead” or make it “He’s good to me dead” or just “He’s dead”. Boba works better when he says little, but these are just some ideas.

Building off of Boba ideas, I also had the idea of Boba being the one to catch Han and Leia trying to escape, rather than Jabba and literally everyone else in the entire palace hiding behind currents. When Han and Leia turn around to leave, you could reuse a shot of Boba standing in the palace, and point his gun at them, then cut back and show him raising his gun back up, knowing that he has them where he wants them. You would lose a minute of footage from this change though, and any runtime worth keeping may be crucial to keep one’s edit from being too short.

I may try to make Boba’s “death scene” my next project, whenever I have the time. Even though ROTJ is sort of the black sheep of the Original Trilogy, I still feel like there isn’t a definitive edit for this film that does a better job at putting it as close as possible to Star Wars and Empire in terms of quality.

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#1470185
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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jadenkorr41 said:

At this point, its a matter of taste on how different it is to ROTJ and if there are any creative/meaningful ways to make the rey, ben, palpatine interaction more “original/novel” but thats a different discussion.

Actually, this is exactly the discussion I’m wanting to have!

I feel like you could make Rey and Kylo’s duel on the Death Star relevant to the battle of Exegol if you can establish one. For example, if Kylo has ordered for the fleet to wait for his return, then Rey keeping him distracted can connect the two plots. Or, if the Wayfinder’s function could be changed, maybe the Wayfinder can be used to control the entire fleet (like a remote control), then Rey getting would play a role that could have an effect on the battle, even though she is light years away.

Again, not saying I hate the movie as it is. Just spitballing.

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#1470130
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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https://gfycat.com/uncomfortablesecondbassethound

Here is the shot I was thinking about.

I would check out her thread, because she had quite a few ideas related to Phantom Menace. As far as getting the best quality versions of these shots, we might just have to message her. She’s not on here a lot but she pops around sometimes still.
Even if she doesn’t have all of these shots on her computer, it gives us an idea for potentially remaking them too.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Snookers-Assorted-Star-Wars-edit-ideas/id/73571

Also, send me a link to that video once you get it exported!

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#1470127
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Do you just mean Exegol in general? Because I think an edit that made the Kylo and Rey duel the climax would be intercut with the battle of Exegol, but it would just be focused on the Resistance stopping the fleet rather than anything to do with Palpatine. At least that’s how I see it playing out. Joshuabri’s edit goes for this idea.
Again, not arguing that it’s a radical change, this is the radical redux thread after all.

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#1470091
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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Hahaha, I can’t believe you did this, and so quickly…

I can’t give timecodes, but I think Jar Jar only has 3 scenes in AOTC.

  1. When Obi and Anakin reunite with Jar Jar and Padmé.
  2. Chancellor and Senators are debating what to do about the crisis near midpoint or end of act 2. I don’t think Jar Jar actually says anything here.
  3. Jar Jar gives emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.

In ROTS, all he says is “Excuse me” when all of the politicians came out to welcome the Chancellor back from being rescued.

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#1470061
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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EddieDean said:

Actually, screw it. I can see this task very clearly, I’ll pick it up. Editing Clone Wars needs a different type of free time, I can work on this Jar Jar voice idea without it distracting from it.

If you think it wouldn’t be too bad, that would be cool! Maybe you could play around with one or two lines just see if the idea will actually work.

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#1470060
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Yeah, I see what you mean. It feels like a common trope where the hero kills faceless goons without remorse, but when it’s time to kill the big bad, who is arguably the most responsible for the Bad Stuff, the hero spares them.

Again, I know the idea is that Rey is defending herself by blocking the lightning, but it feels like she aggressively shoves it back in his face. Maybe the message you could get from that is that Rey’s anger, or desire to protect others using self defense, doesn’t define her or make her fall to the dark side. Maybe the idea being she is in control of her emotions, rather than just ignoring/purging them like the old Jedi ways.

I think something nice would be for Rey to end the story with some kind of boon. New knowledge or wisdom that will keep the new Jedi for repeating the same mistakes. But nothing is ever really brought up clearly regarding that, at least in TROS.

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#1470049
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Stumbled across this old article yesterday and it reminded me that my initial opinions were very similar to this writer.

You can argue that Rey deflecting lightning back in Sidious’ face was her acting in self defense, but I still don’t think the execution is nowhere near as interesting or emotionally powerful as Luke’s act of non-violence at the end of Return of the Jedi.

This isn’t to downplay the amazing work done with adding the Force ghosts to the end of the film in Ascendant. It is a major improvement on the story the filmmakers decided to tell.

With Obi-Wan leaving Anakin for dead at the end of ROTS, and Luke sparing his father and throwing his weapon down, I can’t help but think that the natural climax of TROS would’ve been the Kylo Ren and Rey duel, where Rey almost kills, then chooses to heal, her mortal enemy. It would just be hard to accomplish that and still have a decent runtime.

Idk, I’m just curious if there is another way you could really spin the theatrical ending. Rey gets strength in hearing the voices of her new family/attachments, rather than the Jedi? Or the Jedi voices encourage her with different kind of advice?

Either way, you kind of just end the series with an old man’s face getting melted.

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#1470045
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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Regarding the other idea, about the Naboo invasion being enhanced, or showing the suffering of the Naboo people, the easiest way I can think of getting this idea across would be to add audio of off-screen skirmishes, or the sounds of people crying/wailing/etc.

I know snooker had added plumes of smoke in a night establishing shot of Theed, implying that the Trade Federation was quelling some resistance or rioting that was going on in the city.

You could have Naboo trying to fight back at the beginning of the invasion, but I feel like there really isn’t any footage that’s usable. I feel like video game footage would stick out. And I’ve seen people add explosions to the Theed occupation sequence, but I’ve never seen a version where the new effects didn’t look obvious.

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#1470041
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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EddieDean said:

I think this idea has legs. I don’t think it’d be too tricky to start - one could watch through TPM and Jar-Jar’s couple of other appearances, taking notes in a spreadsheet of each line, timestamped. You’ve then got that for quick reference to identify your available replacement sounds. Isolate those lines in a working project to create common source replacement words (“I’m”, “I”, “Me”, etc), then take each line in place and replace what you can to tidy it up whilst preserving the meaning, ideally against the video to check for acceptable lip-sync.

Man, I love the data analyst mentality you bring to this forum. For some reason the idea of putting that much work into trying to improve Jar Jar, 23 years after the movie came out, is equal amounts of ridiculous and totally something that we would do. Honestly, one of our first Community Focus edits being Jar Jar related feels totally appropriate, since he basically was the catalyst of the fan editing subculture.

I think that guy’s dub is one of the best out there, but if I personally had to pick, I think I would still try to improve the dialogue as it is, because a major dub like that would still stick out to me. But there’s nothing wrong with going in both directions! Especially if he is down to record dialogue for the entire film (if he hasn’t already done that).

In regards to frankenbyting Jar Jar’s lines, that’s something I could maybe play around with. I don’t have TPM with all of the audio tracks atm, but if someone could share at least the audio with me I could potentially play around with it and do something like Eddie suggested (whenever I actually have spare time).

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#1469867
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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I’ve been thinking about the movie since you made this post, so I’ll share some random thoughts I’ve been having.

The Crawl

I like the direction of the crawl you posted, Eddie.

I think the big complaint of the original crawl is that it got people’s heads scratching before the movie even starts. The goal of the crawl should be clarify things for the audience. Get everyone on the same page, keep it simple. Think about the original Star Wars opening crawl. It gives some background, but we’re left with a few simple ideas: There’s a big, evil empire, and there’s a rebellion fighting against them. A easy to understand tale of underdogs fighting against tyranny. We also get the gist of the basic plot: the bad guys have a super weapon, and the good guys stole the secret plans for it. We also learn about Princess Leia and her crucial role in this mission.

With this TPM new crawl, there are a few key words used that I think help establish important themes or ideas for this trilogy: complacency, corruption, and greed. These words highlight the problems in the final years of the Galactic Republic, and it establishes people like Padmé trying to fight against this corruption, and personally paying a cost for it. I think centering Padmé as an important character in a new crawl is a great idea. It might do a better job at investing the audience in her journey from the get-go. Like you mentioned before, a common point made about this movie is how it feels like there isn’t a main protagonist. Maybe Padmé technically isn’t, but I think anything would help to give more characterization to this ensemble.

I think another thing worth discussing is runtime. There are a lot of TPM edits that really cut down the runtime of the film, but I personally think if you’re trying to make an edit of this film that could’ve realistically been a theatrical release, the runtime should be at least be 2-hours. Preferably not shorter than the original Star Wars film, but that’s just my opinion. But I do think such a rule can help editors prioritize which cuts are the most important to make. You might be able to make a great 90-minute movie, but would that be too short for a Star Wars movie?

Nemoidians and Sidious

I know I just mentioned being careful about cutting too much and making the movie too short, but if I were to want to cut any scenes, I think I would cut a lot of the scenes between Nute Gunray and Darth Sidious. There’s a few reasons for doing this. 1) I feel like the pacing just halts every time we cut back to what the bad guys are doing. 3) It feels like a lot of information is repeated in other scenes. 2) I actually think it would serve the narrative more if we kept the Sith’s involvement in the plot as mysterious as we can. I actually wonder how much it would actually hurt the movie if we cut all of Sidious’ scenes. Would it be better if the actual phantom menace was a figure only alluded to in the first film? I’m sure there are edits that have already done this. We are talking about the most fan-edited film in history, after all.

Jar Jar Binks

In regards to Jar Jar, instead of totally dubbing him, I’m curious if it would be possible to play around with his dialogue to simply tone down his sometimes confusing Gungan dialect. A few examples:

“I spake” to “I speak”
“You saved my again” to “You saved me again”
“More did you spake?” to “More did you say?”
“Ex-squeeze-me, but de mostest safest place would be Gunga City” to “De safest place would be Gunga City”
“’Tis embarrassing. My afraid my’ve been banished. My forgotten. Da bosses would do terrible things to me. Terrrrrible things to me if me goen back dere” to “Tis’ embarrassing. I afraid I’ve been banished. I’m forgotten. Da bosses would do terrible things to me. Terrible things to me if I go back dere.”
“Wesa goen underwater, okeyday?” to “We go underwater, okay?”
“My warning you. Gungans no liken outsiders, so don’t spect a warm welcome” to “I’m warning you. Gungans don’t like outsiders, so don’t espect a warm welcome.”

Obviously how doable this would be would depend on how easy it is to isolate Jar Jar’s dialogue, and if you could find the right pieces to frankenbyte the dialogue changes. I recall Brian Blessed (who voiced Boss Nass) gave an interview where he said “I tried to make sure my noises didn’t interfere with dialogue”. He basically said that he thought that Jar Jar sometimes made noises on the line, and he has a lot of plot, so the audience would go, “What’s he saying? What did he say?” Anyway, I’m not saying Brian Blessed should be the authority on this, but I think it is a fair point.

And of course, basically every TPM edit in the past has toned down Jar Jar by cutting certain scenes or lines whole cloth, or muting Jar Jar’s voice, but I’m curious how possible it would be improve the dialogue that is necessary without overdubbing Ahmed Best’s performance. Because I think one issue with cutting a lot of Jar Jar is that if you cut too much Jar Jar, the edits feel less invisible as they should if you’re going for an edit that could pass as a theatrical release. This method might allow an editor to keep more Jar Jar, but make him less annoying. Another positive thing about this route would be that you probably could get away with these dialogue changes without Jar Jar’s mouth movements being noticeably off, since the CGI twenty years ago wasn’t as true-to-life as it can be now. And I know this is something other editor’s have played around with, but maybe the pitch of Jar Jar’s voice could be played around for more grating lines and yells. Not sure how helpful it would be but maybe it could be.

But maybe this idea could also be used for Watto and the Nemoidians to some extent.

Padme

Speaking of pitch, something I would like to see would be to change the pitch of Queen Amidala’s voice back to Natalie Portman’s natural pitch. I’ve heard other people say this is difficult or impossible with how the audio is mixed, but I find this choice pretty unappealing, and it makes the Queen more relatable and human if she had something closer to her natural pitch. It’s honestly kind of impressive how George was able to get such a wooden performance out of Portman after her great role in The Professional. It’s crazy how much crap Jake Lloyd got for his performance as Anakin, but at least he was more emotive than Natalie was in this film.

It’s kind of funny, I know there is a video somewhere on YouTube where someone does exactly this, but all of the comments are saying how it’s supposed to be like that, and give all of the reasons and excuses. Like, sure, give all of the in-universe reasons for why that is cool or whatever, but I feel like it makes her less relatable and more boring to listen to, even if people are not consciously aware of it. I guess it’s just a testament to how opinions of the prequels have changed.

Anakin

Not a lot to say about Anakin that hasn’t already been done, but there is one idea I recall regarding how Anakin gets connected with Qui-Gon and company. This was an idea I had back years ago, but I’m pretty sure the Phantom Editor also mentions in his commentary having this edit when he did his edit, but decided to not go with it. Basically, the idea would be that you would replace Jar Jar getting accosted by Sebulba, with Qui-Gon seeing Anakin in a fight and breaking it up. This deleted scene originally takes place after the pod race, and the Rodian thinks Anakin cheated at the pod race, but if you could assume they are just talking about a game they were playing. One benefit is that it would help you avoid another of Jar Jar’s goofy antics, and it also lets you see another side of Anakin that we mostly see as sweet and innocent. I think one of the reasons he didn’t use it was because of the quality of the scene, but perhaps there is a better quality version of the scene available now.

On the other hand, I do like Mrebo’s idea for the scene, which gives Anakin a little extra agency. Maybe you could use both ideas, since you would need to invent a way for Anakin to pair back up with the others (unless you just assumed Anakin caught up with them after Watto let him leave).

I’m sure I’ll have other ideas later, but that’s a lot for now. One other idea I had is that you could potentially use establishing shots of Mos Espa from the Book of Boba Fett somewhere in TPM, if you wanted to show a bit more of the city. Feels weird to talk about edit ideas that have been discussed for the past twenty years…

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#1469647
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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Mrebo on these forums recently had a good idea about using Anakin’s conflict with Sebulba as the party’s (and the audience’s) introduction to him, and then changing Anakin’s subtitles to have him explain why he’s brought them to Watto’s shop. This made our first introduction to Anakin one where he’s driving the plot and standing up for himself. And while it requires the shot of Jar Jar spitting a frog onto Sebulba, that element might be softened by the new context that “It’s the will of the force that we met”, though perhaps that’s a bit of a stretch.

Could you copy/link his comment regarding this idea? I was going to bring up a specific idea regarding Anakin’s introduction, but I’m curious what exactly he suggested for this.

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#1469527
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released)
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This might not be right for Legendary, but maybe a future edit could imply that somehow in one of the flashbacks.
Maybe when Ben uses the force to collapse the hut and it cuts to black, we could hear a few brief lines of overlapping dialogue from the other students arguing/fighting.

“He killed Master Luke!”

“Luke attacked him!”

“Murderer!”

“Traitor!”

“No!”

lightsaber ignites

Then it cuts back and Luke sees the aftermath.

Also, Nev had the idea of replacing Ben’s blue saber in the flashback with Anakin’s saber, which I think would fit pretty well with the idea of the KoR being Luke’s students. Maybe kyber crystals and lightsabers were really hard to find by the time Luke started training students, so none of his students ever built one. That’s why the KoR don’t use them. And maybe Kylo finally tried to build one, which explains the rough construction of his crossguard lightsaber.

I like the Craster’s Keep comparison. I never made that connection but I picture something like that too. Maybe sides were being formed way before that night, but when it finally happened, people had to choose sides quickly and then all hell broke loose.

Anyway, I still think Hal’s dialogue change is a valid way to go with it. It simplifies things. Raises less questions. It would be interesting if we could somehow imply Ben was defending himself, but I also don’t think Ben really cares to try and justify his actions to anyone at this point.

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#1469517
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released)
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That is fair. I personally like the idea that the students gathered around the ruined hut, thinking Ben killed their master, and started picking sides until someone struck first. Like you said, it doesn’t totally pin it on Ben.

Though if you went this direction, it would be nice if there was some hint that the Knights in TROS were the other students. Nothing really gives us that impression. No sign of force sensitivity, no lightsabers, no relevant dialogue, etc.

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#1469493
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Community Focus Threads - Index and Overview
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Glad this is being brought back! I definitely see some merit in going back through the Skywalker Saga with fresh eyes now that the Sequel Trilogy is done. I could see some slower months covering big picture stuff that is mostly discussion, where other months could be executing smaller ideas that could actually be used in edits. It might be a good idea to go back through old threads and see what were some common ideas that were never really made.

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#1469490
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The Rise Of Skywalker - The Balance Cut (early WIP)
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I think you should pursue this idea.

Acbagel did something similar with his edits, though I think where he ends up is different from your ideas. Though I don’t think either interpretation is any less valid.

Going into the sequel trilogy, I also felt like the flaws with the old Jedi doctrine were going to be addressed in some way. Addressing this doesn’t mean the answer is a ‘gray Jedi’, but I think a future Jedi order would have to learn from the mistakes of the old one, which ties into TLJ’s message of failure. I mean TFA makes us ask the question, “What went wrong with Luke’s Jedi order? Why did things fall apart again?” TLJ does end with Luke reaffirming the Jedi, but I still thought we would go into TROS with ghost Luke passing on some wisdom about how the Jedi need to grow, but the film never really gets into that.

The prequels paint this picture of the Jedi’s views on emotion and attachment being a double-edge sword. On one hand, it takes away temptations from the dark side, but the Jedi don’t seem to teach their students how to deal with their emotions. They just tell them to let them go, or bury their feelings. And this bottling of emotions tends to make some people erupt, which is what happened to Anakin.

Again, at the same time I also think you could see the films as saying that evil will always rise, and so it is worth fighting even knowing evil will rise again in the future. But I think there is merit in wanting to end on a different note. That the next generation will try to learn and grow from the past, rather than just do the same thing over again. And TROS doesn’t really continue that idea explicitly beyond Rey having a new lightsaber color (which isn’t really new outside of the movies). So to me, the idea of making Skywalker a title is like a rebranding of the Jedi, or simply a new denomination of Jedi.

With the Be With Me/Jedi voices scene, I’ve had two different ideas for it. On one hand, you could change the Jedi voices to give her advice that shows that they’ve learned their mistakes from the netherworld of the Force, and are ready to pass on that wisdom to Rey. Stuff about how her fear or anger do not define her. Not sure if you would try to rework lines from those characters throughout the movies, and maybe throw in some new original voices of unknown Jedi to get specific lines to hammer your idea home.

Another idea could be that when she says “be with me”, instead of hearing the Jedi, she could hear/see glimpses of her found family (Finn, Poe, etc.), and this motivates her to stand up and face Palpatine. It would be more implicit, but the idea would be that her attachments gave her strength, rather than making her weak.

Anyway, just some ideas but I get what you’re going for.

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#1467893
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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I wanted to chime in and say that I like both of Burbin’s ideas. It did feel funny for Grievous to be focused on the witches before he has even taken care of the Jedi in his lair. Like, he has Jedi running around in his house and he’s like, “I need to go kill Ventress and those witches!”

But the only issue with using the Dooku call scene with him sitting is his chair is that we see Fisto cut that chair in an earlier scene. Might not be a big deal, but it is worth considering if you use that scene after Fisto has escaped. Again, it’s a quick scene so it might not be a big deal.

I also like Burbin’s idea of having Talzin just speak to Savage through voiceover, rather than cutting back to her in the flesh. I also wonder if it would be nice to have some kind of establishing shot for the coda, rather than immediately cutting to inside the diner. I think there is an establishing shot of the diner around 4:30 into the original episode that you could use if you reversed the footage. Might not work but I think it would be nice way for the audience to take a breath before this little epilogue starts.

Also I can’t recall, but does every episode end with that music that transitions into the credits? The music we hear over Dooku monologuing about the threat of Savage and sensing something sinister does work, but I also can’t help but connect it with Ahsoka and the episode it is originally associated with. The music just kind of feels sentimental and melancholy. Might be a stretch, but I also think it would be interesting if you used Maul’s subtle theme from Solo for this scene, since that sinister presence Dooku is sensing is presumably Maul. Too on the nose? Maybe that could be used for another Maul episode down the road.

Also regarding the opening text. Instead of the last sentence starting with, “And Ventress now returns…”, I wonder if it would sound better to rephrase it like, “Now, Ventress returns…”

Anyway, I think the episode works really well as-is, but I can see how these changes Burbin mentioned could potentially improve the episode even more.

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#1467496
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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Eddie, I watched your Massacre episode over the weekend and I was really impressed by it. I went in with a notebook in hand, ready to give some feedback, but honestly I didn’t really notice anything that stuck out to me. The transitions worked well (I especially like cutting from Grievous’ repairs to Ventress’ ritual), and I didn’t notice any audio hiccups.

With what material you had, it is very impressive how you connected these two episodes, and thematically it makes a lot of sense. Like you’ve already said, there is a cool parallel in us seeing the homes and origins of these two minor villains, as well as making their antagonism with each other more personal.

There are some times where I think a more traditional L or J cut would make for a more natural transition than the more Star Warsy wipe, but that’s just a part of the shows style that you’re trying to stay consistent with, so it is not really a complaint.

Anyway, great work here. These are the kind of edited episodes I really love seeing. Sorry I don’t have more detailed notes for you but I genuinely didn’t notice anything that stuck out to me.