RogueLeader

Congrats Eddie! It is well deserved.

Initially I wasn’t sure how feasible it would be to extend the absence between Din and Grogu, but as this season is going along I’m definitely more interested in trying to make it work. Think it would be a strong benefit.

While I have also had the Qui-Gon crystal as my head canon for a long time, there was a brief period of time where I was storyboarding a way to actually film this scene you imagined, Bingowings. You’ve described it before and I was pretty inspired by it.

You could use existing shots of Luke’s X-Wing from the OT, and you would just need some new Death Star wreckage elements, some green crystal shards, and a little R2 arm to film and add to some shots. I thought Luke returning to the wreckage would be a cool scene to have near the start of ROTJ and parallel the end of ANH. At this point I think I was trying to reconfigure the plot of ROTJ to be a reverse mirror of ANH.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing this edit released!

I always have fun reading your thoughts, NFB.

I feel like he wouldn’t comment on it until he actually saw it, like when they first clash sabers in his chambers. Unless he is just gonna talk about the physical modifications she made to it. I think Kylo actually says something in that moment while they’re holding their sabers against each other, so it could be a good spot.

Since the voice AI tool is allowing us to not having to trim as much and make the edit more seamless, I think the voice AI stuff would have a significant benefit during the chamber duel in regards to a Rey Nobody edit. You could keep the entire scene, just replace Kylo talking about her parents to Kylo talking about the fate of her friends, and you could replace the “flashbacks” with “flashforwards” of the battle.

Damn, that last one is good.

So I’m going to add an image to this post, and what you can do is go down to where it says “QUOTE” and click that. You will see what I had to type to insert the image into it. For the image, you will have to use a url that ends in .jpg (other formats might work but that’s the only one I’ve ever used). I usually will post the image on imgur, and then use the url link for posts here.

So you type an !, then whatever the name of the image is in brackets [] (the name can be anything), and then the url is in parentheses ().

You can always “QOUTE” other people’s comments/posts if you want to see how they formatted their post, but don’t click “POST”, otherwise you’ll be actually quoting their comment in a new post (which you can do if you want to reference a statement someone made in a post in order to reply to it.)

Definitely share that animated storyboard video!

And restoration work is always welcome, but if removing dust and scratches from the footage becomes too much of a challenge, you could always version of ROTJ that has more dirt and grain to have the new footage more closely blend it. And that could give the film a “lost cut” sort of quality.

I’m gonna PM you about the music issue!

Welcome to the forum!

I always love to hear about people working on Return of the Jedi! What’s great about these forums is that it is a place where you can bounce ideas around and get constructive feedback. I’d be curious to hear what things you already had in mind, like where/how you were going to incorporate some of these unused shots.

A user on the forum called timdiggerm put together a wonderful resource called Reconstructing the end of ROTJ with Storyboards that could be a source of inspiration for some ideas, especially if you want to lean in a more purist direction.

I think what Ady is doing is going to be amazing, but I will say his say that what he has planned for the Battle of Endor will probably stand on its own. In the past I believe has has said that he is not planning on using most of the deleted scenes because the quality does not match the look he is going for. With that said, I do think there is a lot of potential for other projects to use the deleted scenes to really add to the battle in a different way. You mention leaning toward the purism side, and I think incorporating footage shot for the movie is a cool way to do that.

Also, I’m sure other people, including myself, would love it if you shared whatever you made with whole forum! There are some members that have been working on deleted scene restorations, but I don’t think anyone has tackled any of the Lost Rebels footage, but I may be wrong.

What source did you train that model on?

Looking back at that scene, I think you could get away with some dialogue changes in those final few wide shots of their conversation.

I think if you established Palpatine has been the intermediary between Anakin and his mother, I guess you would have to make it so he already knows she is living at the Lars homestead? So you would have to cut the Watto scene, unless he decides to go to Watto to find out where the Lars homestead is.

Just quick googling, but I found this site. Not sure if the links work or not, or if it is actually high quality.

https://thedigitaltheater.com/the-force-awakens/

Honestly my head canon after TLJ was that Luke didn’t really “die” from Force projecting himself, but confronting his greatest failure (Kylo Ren) and forgiving himself caused Luke to achieve enlightenment, and he just became one with the Force as the next step of his ascension.

I had hoped Luke would’ve played a role that was different from the Force ghosts that had appeared before, but it wasn’t that different honestly. That is something I liked about Acbagel’s Sequel Trilogy edits, because he does add elements that try and depict Luke that way. But I guess it is a difficult thing to balance, giving him more influence on the story without taking away from the new characters.

Looks good, Burbin!

In order to use more shots of Poe talking, I wonder if we could take the beginning of “Somehow, Palpatine-” and turn it into a longer statement that plays out over the reaction shot of Rey and/or Leia.

I feel like this chain of events flows well on paper. So, are the two main things that you would need to add would be the Naboo soldier line about the Gungans surrendering, and a line from Gunray calling in some droidekas?

You could insert the droideka request line play out in the shot where the Nemoidians are looking at the view screen. Something like, “I want droidekas at once!”
Just a trimmed version of an earlier Gunray line.

If it is important for the line about the Gungans surrendering to be heard, you probably should have the line, or a part of it, be spoken during the shot where Anakin’s head pops up out of the cockpit, looking at Padmé and the others regrouping before heading to the throne room. You could remove Panaka’s unnecessary line, “Red group, blue group” and replace it with the Gungan surrender line.

You could also make that shot of Anakin the first shot of the scene, that way that line plays out first, then Padmé can say, “My guess is Gunray’s in the throne room.” Now that they’re aware the Gungans are no longer a distraction, they have to move quickly to capture Gunray.

If you have that like play out over that shot of Anakin, it might have to be a quick one, unless you added an extra insert shot of R2 or something before cutting to Padmé’s group. It could be something quick, like, “The Gungans have lost.”

I like the “stockpile” line.

Regarding Poe’s line “His followers have been building something for years”, I wonder if we could take a cue from what Nev just did with that Poe line in TFA:Starlight to make him say “His followers have been HIDING something for years” and have the mouth movement match that one word. He uses the word “hiding” in that speech too so you could slip it in potentially, or use the AI voice, and it would allow you to keep that whole shot.

That make sense! I feel like the line as-is could probably pass the unaware viewer test, if that makes sense.

Works surprisingly well. Is the “he worked on the base” part of the original line? I wonder how it would sound if the whole line was voice AI so it completely matched, but that is nitpicky.

Cool to hear that your mind is running with ideas after the premiere!

The idea of using this content to expand the gap of time between Mando and Grogu’s reunion is an interesting idea. I do see the idea of cutting out Grogu from all
of these could prove to be a bit of a headache.

I also thought that first scene was a flashback. It would be cool if it was one, but I have a feeling many of those Mando’s will show up again later.

This was a thought I had over in the general discussion thread, but it might be worth putting here. Although it might not be totally relevant because you’ll combine episodes, but still.

Random Thought:

When it ended I was like, oh, it’s over already? Ending it with Bo Karan felt like a weird place to conclude. I feel like it would’ve made more sense for Mando to go see Bo Katan right after he spoke with the Armorer.

1. He gets confirmation from the Armorer that he can atone for his sins if he actually managed to find the Living Waters beneath Mandalore.

2. Now that he knows he must go there, he should go find a person he knows that has a desire to also return there, someone that knows the planet and has lived there. He goes to see Bo, but he tells her she has given up on that because her followers abandoned her and the world is likely poisoned anyway. Also, her homeworld is close to Mandalore, so this would’ve made it clearer that Mando wanted to immediately head to Mandalore and atone, but stopped by Bo’s to see if they could team up, but then had to backtrack because of the information Bo gives him.

3. Now, Mando needs a new plan to figure out if the planet is poisoned or not like Bo says, so he needs a droid he trusts to help test that theory. So he goes to see if he can repair IG-11, goes on his quest to find the part, and end the episode on the pirate space battle.

Just felt like this would’ve made more sense and allowed the episode to end on a bit of action

I have a similar sentiment to many comments already, Dre really put my thoughts into words.

Random Thought Spoilers:

When it ended I was like, oh, it’s over already? Ending it with Bo Karan felt like a weird place to conclude. I feel like it would’ve made more sense for Mando to go see Bo Katan right after he spoke with the Armorer.

1. He gets confirmation from the Armorer that he can atone for his sins if he actually managed to find the Living Waters beneath Mandalore.

2. Now that he knows he must go there, he should go find a person he knows that has a desire to also return there, someone that knows the planet and has lived there. He goes to see Bo, but he tells her she has given up on that because her followers abandoned her and the world is likely poisoned anyway. Also, her homeworld is close to Mandalore, so this would’ve made it clearer that Mando wanted to immediately head to Mandalore and atone, but stopped by Bo’s to see if they could team up, but then had to backtrack because of the information Bo gives him.

3. Now, Mando needs a new plan to figure out if the planet is poisoned or not like Bo says, so he needs a droid he trusts to help test that theory. So he goes to see if he can repair IG-11, goes on his quest to find the part, and end the episode on the pirate space battle.

Just felt like this would’ve made more sense and allowed the episode to end on a bit of action

Might not be what you have in mind, but this was what I kind of imagined how someone could depict Ben surviving.

The idea being that Ben went into exile on Tatooine or something and Rey came to find him. I think it makes more sense than Rey going there to bury the sabers. This would also force you to remove the old woman and “Rey Skywalker” bits, but it seems like you already have that in mind.

The only “issue” is Ben still wearing his Kylo garb. But, theoretically, a person could film themselves wearing Tatooine style robes and a poncho, which would mostly be seen in silhouette only so detail isn’t important.
If you wanted that CU shot of Ben, it would require you to mask his head on a new body with a new outfit. But that shot isn’t totally necessary either. Might not be what you want at all though.

Damn, so you can use adjectives to help change the expression of the voice? That’s pretty impressive.

“Panicked” or “frightened” would be some good ones too considering he is that way a lot. After he gets his mind wiped, perhaps something like “energetic” and “bubbly” could be used to emulate the naivety and eagerness to serve of a fresh new droid.

Jar Jar, do you think you could potentially do the same thing, but use OT-era lines from Anthony Daniels? Mostly curious for the sake of OT-related projects, but it would be interesting if his voice reverted to a more youthful sound. You could write that off as a hardware issue though.

Some funny thoughts! Thanks for your work on this Jar Jar. It has been interesting to follow it all!

Eddie, so happy and proud of you for completing this. I have been following from the beginning and it crazy to see you finally complete it!

I feel like for a lot of people who will want to watch prequel content, they will probably just watch episodes 1 and 2 before starting TCW:R. I could see the benefit of letting TCW being people’s introduction rather than the prequels, though.

It would be interesting to see your thoughts for the future AOTC thread since it is basically the bridge into your TCW:R. I think you’ll have a nice perspective for some potential changes that could bring it more in-line with that.

I really wanted to pick the brain of the community at the time regarding ROTJ, which is why I requested the next month focus on it. At the time I think the idea was to just discuss whatever people wanted to talk about. Definitely think an AOTC thread would be fun.

Anakin Starkiller said:

amobex said:

It’s hard to keep objectivity after a while. Here’s a test of the idea. Let me know what you think because I might just have to render out a V2.1 of my edit for this.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_vnit8T_z1A9Z7QJDN5lTvlPG9S6KoU-/view?usp=share_link

Cheers!

Wow, that is flawless! Where’d you get the line from?

Now to establish Jannah as Finn’s sister, something that would go a long way to explaining his instant connection to her. After meeting, he suddenly spends all his time with her as if he forgot Rose. Them being siblings makes sense given their shared backstory. The only issue is that it’s maybe a big contrived to just randomly stumble upon your long-lost sibling in an entire galaxy, but it’s not like SW hasn’t done that before. Then again, I suppose you could argue they’re “spiritually” siblings already because of their shared backstory. Maybe I’m overthinking things.

I do see the motivation in wanting to do that. I think where your train of thought is going though at the end is enough of a reason to explain the bond they share. They both are lost children, and that shared experience brings them together. Someone may have done this in their edit already, but I think it would be great if was more explicit that the story of Finn was what inspired Jannah’s group to abandon the First Order. It might add more to why Jannah and her people are eager to follow Finn into the fray.

amobex said:

RogueLeader said:

Even though I wish we would have gotten Finn/Poe, this feels totally seamless and would totally work for an edit.

Same. I tend to de-emphasize the implied romantic interests with both Zorii and Jannah in my edits already for that very reason but at least a continuity argument can be made for this change to keep it in line with Last Jedi as Anakin already mentioned.

Totally agree. It can be added to the list of things that can be changed in TROS to keep it more in line with TLJ. You can argue that TLJ didn’t necessarily imply that Rose and Finn would/should be together in the next film, but it is one less thing where the audience is thinking, “Oh, I guess they’re going back on that decision”, which I feel like happens quite a bit in TROS, whether it was intentional or not.