Rogue Leader

Impressive... most impressive. =D

Actually, who else likes the idea of keeping everything Yoda a singlar mystery that will never be solved in the SW universe? Therefore, I'd like to recommend that Yaddle should go... =P

Bingowings said:

Look, if Sith get magic eyes when they are being naughty (and Anakin should have had them Bill Bixby style whenever he got angry and hid them under Arnie glasses) then Yoda etc should also get magic eyes when they are leaping around too (its only fair).

Maybe seeing as this is the Light side and the Dark Side the Sith should get dark eyes and the Jedi get light ones (like Shadow Vs Vorlon):

Only joking, it's a silly idea.

Yeah, you don't see "Jedi Eyes" lol... Actually I had a theory about midichorians that the interpretation of them is actually from mitochondria.

In eukaryotic cell the mitochondria are responsible for the creation of ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) which is the bulk of our energy ("Force") stems from other than the electron transport chain and the Kreb's cycle. What's interesting about mitochondria is that they are the only organelles outside of the nucleus that have their own DNA... This has lead to the theory that early in the evolution of Eukaryotic cells, mitochondria were an ancient form of bacteria that were absorbed into the eukaryotic cells as a source to provide energy to the cell and the cell provides nutrients and defense... "Symbiots living for mutual advantage". Trust me, I'm a biologist.

In that sense, life as we know it would not exist... However, adding the science element as complicated as that and asking the audience to take it at face value is too much. I think wasn't necessary because it takes away form the mystical aspect of the Force. Which I can also explain via the 1st law of thermodynamics and E=mc^2. =D

Gonna snag the ESB:R comparison link OO5. =D Great comparisons shots as usual. =D

doubleofive said:

fredstar said:

You want real, heres real :-P

 

Check out more images here: http://www.starwarspropaganda.com/yoda.html

Wow.  Now why couldn't all of Lucas' horses and men put something like that together?

Wow is right... That looks great. We gotta remember though that GL has control over every aspect of the movie concerning the PT... The lack of quality there can be factored into not caring too much about it at the time but at least they did go back and replace that terrible looking puppet with the CGI Yoda that looked far better.  

It's been a whirl wind for sure... I'm still missing a couple of things on our end so the delay was good in a way. Still, we'll be ready when you are Ady. =) Our best to your family.

Handzzz said:

In Return of the sith I thought there will be Victory class Star Destroyers as well.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/de/VSD_egvv.jpg

But Lucas ruined my dreams... :'(

I KNOW!!!!!! I thought of that too... although I didn't even get the chance to mention that yet cos I was mainly thinking of TPM Revisited... lol

Well, this is just a wish list. Nothing here is gonna be absolutely in any version of Adywan's or anyone else's work but it's just a forum to toss around ideas.

Some of of these wishes/suggestions are serious and completely valid likecolor correction, lightsaber fixes, continuity, etc... but others are just conceptual and perhaps a personal test of skill to make something look cooler or just outrageously funny or crazy. It's a big galaxy, plenty of room for all of us to play. It's kinda like if you were making ROTJ, what would you like to have in it? Thus the topic says "wishlist" not "mandatory insertions..." that's ILM's forum when Lucas has an idea... =D 

rcb said:

doubleofive said:

Dark Lord of Comparisons here, coming at you with my CGI/Puppet Yoda image:

After making this image a few months ago, I decided that I do like the design of the CGI Yoda for the most part. 

 Yea i like the cgi yoda better also, but in the case of the OT, yoda needs to stay a puppet, otherwise all the classicness, if that's a word, is taken out of it.

i know in the AOTC documentary they made a ESB cgi yoda as a test for the movie. He was doing his force speech to luke on daghobah.

I agree, I think with Ady's emoting modes for ESB:R and I assume ROTJ:R the OT Yoda will be bridged a more with the PT Yoda.

Yeah... The Ep1 Yoda needs to fade away... lol

Bingowings said:

Nice clean versions of models in that style would create the impression of continuity between the two trilogies.

That the cutting edge planes of the Clone Wars era become the hot-wired hand me downs that the Rebels have to use in their fight against the Empire.

yub yub... I agree.

TheBoost said:

Forgot about them? As with most of the EU I doubt GL even thought about/knew about/gave a damn about them in the first plance

Heh, I agree Boost, I was being generous. ;)

@Tim, would love to see Y-wings in ROTS absolutely... I think I saw Bingowings bring it up on the very first page too. =)

@Bingo The Z-95 Headhunter actually comes in a bunch of varieties and there are several upgrade kits to install things like hyperdrive, sheild enhancements, engine mods, triple blasters, missles, and an upgrade for an extra set of s-foils to split into an X (which the reason for is for better weapons coverage but all know it just looks cool. lol)... etc. Overall, yes, that Ralph McQuarrie drawing is the basis of that ship as well as the favored Incom T-65B X-wing. =D

Just like the Y-wing, the Z-95 they should be prevailent in the prequel era and I love the simpler design so you can see the evolution into the X-wing. The Arc fighters in ROTS look too complex.

Looks great but too colorful concerning the mood and music associated... We're kinda in a den of evil with Luke at this point, seeing colorful and natural Endor would take away from that. That would be my concern.

Timstuff said:

I was thinking about the possibility of making the Emperor's shuttle look fancier, like making it look really clean and having a grand looking emblem on the side of it, but on the other hand would that really be what the Emperor would want? It would make him an attractive target to any nerdowells who are around, whereas a standard, weathered looking shuttle is inconspicuous.

Oh dear... Now I've gotten myself on a train of thought that I'm having trouble leaving! :(

LOL Pope mobile for Palpy... hahaha... Actually making the Imp Shuttle look bigger fancier and eviler does sounds like a good idea... =D Maybe something similar to a trooper carrier but more sleek and have the Imp Cog design on the middle fin in shiny onyx like material or something. A limo of Imperial shuttles. =)

Ripplin said:

Yes, his head somehow became more squat as he aged. :p

Well spacing between bones condense over time (dunno about the head but skull formation also changes over time as well). Concerning nutrition on Dagobah isn't really calcium rich or anything it's explainable biologically. Also for all we know getting more squat is the process of their species evolution and perhaps they're were just as tall as us at one point (a mildly fightening thought actually... lol Like they look like Legolas and end up short and green! heh....).

Also consider that Dagobah may have heavier gravity than other planets... I know it's sounds like retconning but scientifically it's coincidentally explainable... (even though I doubt it's what GL was going for. ;) ) 

EyeShotFirst said:

Rogue Leader said:

Preferentially I prefer to see the puppet we all know and love in ESB:R BUT with Ady's emoting tweaks... 25 years is a long time and facial changes do occur (I mean look at someone's pic from 25 years ago and of course you'll see plenty of facial changes).

 

Yeah, but bone reconstruction? The cheekbones and forehead are drastically different between the CGI Yoda and the Puppet Yoda.

Mmm... I see what you mean. Still it's the PT that has to come closer to matching the OT's Yoda then, not the other way around right? I do like the CGI Yoda in the PT actually. They should of made more of effort to match it with the OT. Still... maybe osteoporosis has kicked in... Not like there's many good sources of calcium on Dagobah. ;)

BarBar Jinkx said:

Wouldn't the original puppet not have deteriorated to the point where that would no longer be possible by now

No it's not, I saw it a few years ago at an exhibition... It's currently held in the LFL archives at Skywalker Ranch...

If I saw correctly, they replace the TPM puppet with the CG Yoda after AOTC...

Preferentially I prefer to see the puppet we all know and love in ESB:R BUT with Ady's emoting tweaks... 25 years is a long time and facial changes do occur (I mean look at someone's pic from 25 years ago and of course you'll see plenty of facial changes). Not to mention he's been in the middle of no where waiting for Luke on a planet where cosmetic resources are non-existant... I say keep the og puppet but Ady can totally tweak it and make it emote making it look great which I know he's already done with certain clips he posted:

BarBar Jinkx said:

Rogue Leader said:

...if the story calls for another characters POV concerning any new story plot line put in to TPM (if there is one... =D). 

why is it I instantly thought Pink5's mom when you said that LOL

Some of my friends helped with the Return of Pink5 Endor ground battle. =D

BarBar Jinkx said:

Hell yeah 

 

with a few tweaks it would be perfect (somewhere for an R2 unit)

 

anything is better than those Jedi starfighter et all

Actually I like the Delta 7 Jedi Starfighters... I was just thinking that the Z-95s should be an awesome ship to have that should be around in the prequels but isn't. It's also a nice lil nod to the furture X-wing starfighter cos the Arc starfighters look kinda insane... I think the opening scene with the Jedi ambassador's corvette they should have a squadron of these as escort. When the ambush occurs after Palpatine says "kill them immediately" then have the TF ships open up with their guns destroying the squadron or maybe even have a couple of the pilots escape to the other side of the planet if the story calls for another characters POV concerning any new story plot line put in to TPM (if there is one... =D). 

BarBar Jinkx said:

OMG they look nothing alike 

 

there not even close cousins a like 

 

FFS!

Well swamp diet... lack of a proper Jedi gym... kinda takes it's toll. lol

Yeah the saber fixes need to be done. I have no idea what they were trying to do in the SE and DVDs... insane color mishaps there.

Okay... Z-95s in the prequels... What do people think? They are the predecessors to the X-wing and Lucas totally forgot about them so they made those Incom Arc, starfighters...

I personally would love to see the Z-95 because during this time the Z-95 would be a new fighter craft AND they have a similar silohette to the X-wing...

RoccondilRinon said:

Thanks, RL.

(Btw the Darth Vader quote was mostly just for the lulz.)

lol, it's kinda like Godwin's Law... but in this case when a debate goes on for a while someone makes the comparison to Vader and the Empire. =P

Bingowings said:

I imagine most, if not all of us are excited at the prospect of PT:R (even if it's many years away) but the general mission statement of this thread is to work out ideas.

If Ady likes some of these ideas I hope he runs with them (I'm sure he has loads already) but it's not the PT:R thread (there isn't even an ROTJ:R thread yet as Ady is still working hard on ESB:R as much as he currently can).

It's for anyone to use, some of those ideas have already been (either independent of this thread or part inspired by it) become re-edit projects, some on the way, some already complete.

Mr Frink has a fine list of edits most of which came before or were independent of this thread and they continue to serve as inspiration for the ideas on here because we can see what has already been proven to work and where there may be room for continued improvement.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/TVFs-Prequel-Cutlist-Project-Added-Horace-EP-2/topic/10770/

This thread is more to do with ideas that really shake up the prequels than nibble at the edges so your ideas are very welcome on here.

Don't think we are trying to shoot any of your ideas down or that you are shooting anyone else's down.

Talking things through promotes creativity and points up holes in reworking the stories just as well if not better than sitting at mixing desk or pushing pixels around.

Let's face it if George had spent more time trying to think the PT through it wouldn't be the mess a lot of us think it currently is.

I for one am very keen to hear how you would work your clone tech story line into TPM.

Hopefully by talking it through it can be developed into a much more solid story thread than the taxation of trade routes.

Yeah true enough... I'm still gonna lay low concerning topics or ideas here cos if I decide to engage someone on a possible hole in the plots then it may just go too far. Not saying I don't have self control or anything it's just that if I only half heartedly make my statements then it just seems I'd only half heartedly support my own thoughts what ever they maybe. I get excited like everyone else and I can rant for days. This is the trouble with knowing way too much info and wanting to spill it in one all encompassing post.

I'm sure there are things all of us want to see (or not see) and for TPM it'll take the most work because of that. Then again it'll be at least 4 or 5 years before Ady get to that so who know what will happen between now and then. Although I think Ady and his squad of wizards definitely could fill in a hole in TPM vacated by wiping the Gungans out... lol.

Sorry if bringing up Ady's work is repetitive but at least to me and my squadron, they've done the impossible and I think they may even out do themselves with ESB:R (and that's saying something, trust me on this one... XD). With that in mind I would love to see a story for TPM:R that is possible and actually make sense while focusing on the major plots going on with Anakin's story arc and the galaxy as a whole. Thus me being overly excited for everything Revisited since being asked to help by Ady is making me think impossible things are possible. It's what Rogues do best after all. XD

Also... I didn't know other people were making their own edits... lol Had I known this I wouldn't have engaged others in their individual story versions here with such umm... gusto? lol...

My bad, as much knowledge and random crap I know about SW in a variety of facets the OT.com is new territory and I did not mean to step on anyone's toes or ideas. I am an noob here in that respect as I thought this was posting set up to recommend stuff to Ady that he may take note of... I suppose the title didn't specifically say "Revisited" so I assume other people are making their own edits as well? Either way... have fun. =)

RoccondilRinon said:

Darth Vader said:

If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.

 

For reference, Ming, "most people" aren't you. We get that you hate the Gungans; we get that you want them completely eliminated from TPM. You don't need to labour that point, we're not trying to make you like them. I don't particularly like them. But to say what amounts to "everyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot/has incredibly bad taste/should be ignored" is not going to get you much in the way of support around here.

If you don't like something in the movie, make an edit which removes it. That's what we do here. Don't go around demanding other people do the same with their own edits which, at the end of the day, are their own.

Point taken... this is actually why I avoided posting on the OT.com for a long time. I have a bad habit of defending a point till it seems like I'm attacking others. In all reality it's only my opinion in which people could agree (or not) but I never said anyone was an idiot. However, I do like being complete in an analysis using the information in which I have on hand concerning the SW universe as well as production (which is a lot...). I apologize if it came across as picking a fight which was not my intention.

Actually, I think I'll stop posting in this section. I'm not looking to pick a fight. My main intention was to help Adywan in his edits concerning ESB:R at the moment. The prequel isn't something I didn't think anyone could fix and now that he said he'd go head to head with them it actually gives me hope and I'd like to see the best version/edit possible while driving a story that finally makes sense. Ah well... no big.

Oh and quoting Anakin like that... Dude, I didn't come here to make enemies and to remotely make a comparison like that is invalid. We can agree to disagree and I'm fine with that. I hope everyone has fun with their own edits if everyone is doing one. All my intention to begin with is to assist Ady with his versions. If he uses my ideas, cool, if not... no big... In the end making it better is all that counts.

Bingowings said:

You'd be surprised, I can't stand them, you can't stand them but there are plenty of people who love the Gungans as they are (and not just undiscriminating toddlers).

The negative reaction is however largely based on how they are presented rather than the idea of them.

Since ROTJ Star Wars has become more than Human Vs Humans with a few robots and aliens.

Once Ackbar turned up on in the Rebel briefing scene (heck Yoda pretty much opened the door to be honest) aliens in battle became an inevitable feature of the prequels.

If they could be turned into creatures you can believe in they become great assets instead of silly asses.

Anyone who likes Gungans has incredibly bad taste. I don't like surprises anyway. =P

Actually in ROTJ... ummm what about the Ewoks? I also know that some people don't like ewoks but no one really utterly HATES them like most people utterly HATE gungans... lol

The thing is, that the gungans are so ridiculous and retarded it's like having them around is a useless plot point... To write in a use for them solely for the sake of using them cos they were in the movie is like keeping a bad scene for the sake of keeping it cos it was in the movie (like the Jabba confronting Han in Docking Bay 94 scene. Useless overall other than to show that Han really did owe Jabba some credits, it's useless.)

So other than that gungan vs droid battle at the end... what use are they? Furthermore if we eliminate 1 of 4 multiple endings the flow could be even better...