Rogue Leader

vaderios said:

Well Ady said that this fact will be eliminated on the R saga..

 

Well im really glad about the 64 factor.. So you are saying the iconic death star barrel scene is actually one of the 8?

So its actually will be more interesting have a similar shot but have the laser come to our face instead of going away like ANH..

 

Even i found the idea of the throne room is in the dish or near it.. we concluded that this could cause uber perspective problems.. OR the tower pops up in different angle from the round dish and then all being solved with a much more interesting background ;)

 

-Angel

Well I'm not too worried about actual dimension concerning the Death Star in ROTJ:R. =D However, if you consider that the Executor is only 8km long... a 900km diameter Death Star would be rather interesting to size in comparison to distance from the battle station and get a great looking battle with out DS2 taking up the entire back drop... =P

My educated guess would be that the iconic barrel laser scene is 1 of the 8 rooms (9 on DS2) just before each super laser element converge around the focusing dish. =) There's also a Death Star Level in Jedi Outcast for free for alls that has a simple barrel room as well. I think there's some leeway as to configuration of this room.

As for the Emperor thrown room on the dish... Technically it makes sense considering there's a huge shaft that leads down to the reactor and super laser leads to the hyper matter reactor... Either that or it's on the Northern most pole where the original exhaust port was located...  Instead of proton torps, use a Sith Lord. ;)

The scale of DS2 has been retconned and now it's currently set at the ridiculous scale of 900km. Previously the design for DS was made bigger to overcome the original weakness in the original battle station (120km) and the exhaust port was replaced by several micro ports along the super structure leading to the surface... Therefore, on a larger surface area of it's main reactor two proton torpedoes would not be enough to cause the chain reaction to destroy the station. Had DS2 had been completed, it would of been unstoppable. The original size for DS2 was 160km before insanely odd retconning... (I mean it takes over 2 decades for the first DS to be fully operational, and then to build something more than 4x bigger takes less than 3 years? wtf...? 160km makes a lil more sense than 900km due to the logistics of it all I'd think...)

Also on DS2 there are 9 beams as the middle of the dish also produces a beam that converges on the focal point before firing (the orginal has 8 beams actually that converge supposedly but in the movie you can only see 7). As for the exact location of the beams/tubes aka superlaser elements... Each super laser element draws directly from the hypermatter reactor prior to firing. The 64 tubes are there on the original Death Star because apparently there are 8 tubes focusing into 1 of 8 converging rooms... Then from these 8 rooms the beam is channeled into the super laser element that converge again to create the planet cracking super laser. Thus your total of 64. =D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TwJBNsbEI&feature=related

Check timestamp 6:40 as to where the location of the Emperor's throne room is on the first Death Star. As for the throne room local on DS2... it's totally ambiguous but if it's like the first Death Star it maybe located around the super laser dish area.

Timstuff said:

I was thinking... If the Z-95s were to be integrated into the prequels, they should be new and shiny looking, similar to the Y-Wings. Instead of dirty gray with streaks of color, they should be largely red and chrome / silver / white, like they're fresh off the assembly line. The traditional gray X-Wing look should be what happens when the paint job fades or the shiny metal gets weathered beyond recognition.

Like the Naboo starfighters then.  =P

ImperialFighter said:

Rogue Leader - the gun props are looking very good, especially once the orange tip is blackened.  If it turns out you can't get a 'shotgun' part (or want to keep costs down), perhaps a little piece of round black plastic plumbing 'piping' can be cut to an approximate length and attached to the gun instead?  It would give an approximate look, and the ends could just be smoothed off with 'filler' of some sort.  Just a thought.  Nice work so far.

 

Mmm... you know, I didn't even consider fabricating that piece by any other means other than getting four airsoft shotguns and utterly destroying them. lol =D See... I've never made props before but I have an eye for fabrication of details and being randomly creative while keeping functionality of certain things. For example, they aren't turn on the picture, but the Blastech prop I modded has a working laser sight and blue light attachment. Why? Because it's awesome! =D I also cut the mag shorter and still kept it's functionality (but it can only fire 2 shots now... 1 more than I need for snipping though. =P)

My newest X-wing helmet also have some novel additions:

There's padding on the chin strap (which you can't see and I've never seen it on any one else helmet) along with modded padding so it's custom to my head. =D The visor is removable and the logo is a custom design I created. The logo is based off another design I saw from a friend's X-wing helmet but hers was Orange and in a hexagon but I wanted to make it a CorSec (Corellian Security Force) X-wing helmet with some other detailing. (No I don't own a Dejarik holo-game table, that image is photoshopped for a more dramatic reveal. =D ). Ady requested an extra Hoth X-wing pilot for a particullar Hoth shot so I rushed the creation of this baby. ;)

Anyway! Hmmm... yeah will have to think about how to make that shotgun piece with out getting shotguns. Will ponder this one... Thanks for the insight ImpFighter! Oh as for the orange tip, it's technically illegal to black them out by Federal law in the states and Ady said he'd take care of it in post. Therefore, I left them intact to avoid Imperial entanglements... Ironic that Imperial Fighter would point that out... XD

Oh Welcome Dave, didn't see you there, great 1st post! =)

Newer mod to the Blastech A-295s I've been working on:

Upper left is my Blastech A-295, bottom left is the AK-74 originally and you can see my DL-44. =D

Still considering getting the shotgun grips for the rifles but funds are stretched as is... =( Anyone have shotgun grips to donate? =D

rcb said:

Rogue Leader said:

  

 

rcb said:

yeah, but i read that tie fighters don't have sheilds as the empire says it will make them fight harder.

 

What Imperial propaganda holo vid did you watch? =D

 

 The rogue squadron series graphics. Second GNovel of the series titled "Phantom Affair".  ;)

Hahaha... I have that series... Love Stackpoles work. =D

Ric Olie said:

Heh heh, I was just trying to get someone to send me a PM which I would then sell to the highest bidder in this thread.

No PM 4 u! =P

I think the confusion is stemming from Bingo's replies to Angel concerning the PM he sent to us and so everyone else is only getting half a conversation with no real context. 

It was a list of words which essentially break down ANH for the information we CAN draw from that movie. The SW "dictionary" at it's base elements.

For example we don't really know what starfighters  the Rebel were flying in ANH till ESB when that Imperial officer says "ship approaching X-wing class". Even then the X-wing is never mentioned in ANH. The Y-wing is never mention in all the movies so they wouldn't be on any list. Neither would the B-wing or A-wing...

The basic term "X-wing" is missing from the ANH list as info we known but would be on the ESB list.

Essentially it's breaking down the basic elements of SW to what we do know starting from the original movies.

Thus far only ANH has been broken down as it's a work in progress. =D

vaderios said:

Still i was considering making a list of what things we really learn from movies and how many info is incorporated from EU and books into the general star wars discussion dictionary..

That'd be interesting actually... a back to basics for SW... As much utter crap I do know concerning the EU I do wish that they would stop coming out with utter garbage to explain stuff. Some things just do NOT need to be explained ie The Force/midichlorians. =P

vaderios said:

The matter is the movies.. What you can see and learn from them.

There is no indication that the Ties have no shields because both rebel and empire ships are getting blown with 1-2 hits. Only luke got it right :P

Now dont assume what you read from EU or SW books..into the movies..

 

-Angel

 

*Cough* Wedge *Cough* ;)

No assumptions that the EU fodder will be in any of this... I think the conversations deviated from B-wings cockpits that are in ROTJ but were converted to Y-wings for convenience. =D

Would love to see the gyroscopic effect that B-wings are known for *cough* that are in the EU *cough*. XD

OzoneSherrif said:

big ole' Porkins floating around above the Death Star

Don't you mean the Death Star floating around Porkins... hehehe...

What Imperial propaganda holo vid did you watch? =D

doubleofive said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I will say that as much as I am impressed with and love the new shot...there is a part of me that likes the simple hard cuts of the original.

The PT is full of flyby shots just like this. In fact, I believe there are no flyby shots that are made up of two different shots (one shot with a ship coming up towards the camera and the next shot with the ship moving away).

I'm not saying I don't like the new type of shot. I'm not saying the shot can't be effective. In fact, there are some I really like...it's just something I noticed in the PT specifically and I thought it was over used, IMHO.

Again, I love what Ady did with the shot. Not trying to start anything.  :D

It's easier to add shots like this to the OT than take away shots like this in the prequels?

I know what you're saying SSWR, but I love flybys.  And it doesn't stand out like the ones ILM did in the SEs.  I think its short and subtle.  Now, if Ady redid EVERY shot like this, I'd have a problem...

Let's break up all the fly by shots in the PT Revisited then. ;)

fishmanlee said:

Hence why biggs told porkins to eject

Yub yub, although if you think about it... Porkins would of been caught in the BOOM as the DS blew even if he had ejected. The Death Star run was considered a suicide mission... Thus Rogue Squadron's legendary rep. =D 

doubleofive said:

OzoneSherrif said:

Eject? they have no oxygen masks.

TIE pilots have them but their fighters explode as soon as they're hit.

so you got Imperials that could survive in space but really never have the opportunity to eject and the Rebels don't even have masks for it

and even in ROTS you had those dumbass clone pilots with rebreathers connected to an open faced helmet

I think the TIE pilots have masks because they don't have life support in their ships at all.  Rogue Leader can back me up on that.

Design wise, you can't see their faces because they're EVIL, but that's beside the point.

Yes I can OO5, =D TIE Fighters are not equipt with ejector systems, internal life support (thus they have wear their own), shields, or hyperdrive. In other words, the Empire see their pilots as a renewable resource... like stormtroopers. =P

All Rebel starfighters are equipt for going EV or allow the entire cockpit to eject. In the case of the X-wing, charges throw the canopy off while the entire seat ejects with the pilot along with any astromech unit the fighter may have. There is a mask that pilots can use for going EV however it is unclear if it's a mask the place on or if it's placed on them automatically... like Iron Man. =D

Monroville said:

Speaking of which, does anyone find the B-wing and A-wing pilot outfits (specifically the helmets) to be a bit... goofy?


is that microphone sticking in his nose?


and... ahhh, what's the point... :D

I just think it's funny that they have the time to start yelling and yet not eject. =P

The X-wing helmets were based off of Vietname era USAF pilot helmets.

These... were based off of... err... *shrug* lol Not many people do these costumes so i guess there's no much research about it and I assume since the budget for ROTJ was great by this point and they could just build more spacey kinds of helmets. =) Note that no one ever notices that the Y-wing pilots in ANH wear "X-wing" gear. =P

I don't recall this planetary system... therefore, it doesn't exist! =D

adywan said:

Trigormike said:

Hi there,

 Don't really want to trawl through 651 pages, so sorry if it's already been mentioned, but will it be possible to show and/or hear the snowspeeder(s?) being destroyed by the probe droid, as originally written? This will then make Han's 'It isn't friendly' line make sense and explain why Rieekan sends two other speeders to cover the area.

Inserting anything like that wouldn't work with the way the scene is edited. You need to hear the probe droids message otherwise 3P0's line about "...It could be an Imperial code" wouldn't make sense. There just isn't the space to add anything i'm afraid.

Anyway, here's a little teaser of something i'm working on right now :)

(it may take a while to load up in your browser)

Love the new approach Ady! XD Clean and flows well!

savmagoett said:

Ming unleashed! lol

I like how you look so unimpressed ;)

Just another day at the office. =D

Bingowings said:

I'm all for putting some Y-Wingers in proper cockpits in traditional outfits and swapping those interiors for B-Wingers.

Neither fighter groups got enough screen time in my book and it's much easier to get people with the traditional Rebel pilot outfits than the slightly more obscure ones (though I'm sure the Rogues have a fair mix of both).

With the B-wing cockpit footage from ROTJ those shots can be converted to B-wing usage which would be sweet to have those bombers in action for the space battle. I just happened to notice that the cockpits didn't match up and thus the difference in the uniform finally made sense.

Rogue Squadron (the ones in the movies) is primarily an X-wing fighter unit and in the bulk of the EU they have primarily used the X-wing class of starfighters (Wedge made it a point to solely use the X-wing class as it was symbolic of those who previously flew both Death Star runs and took them out using the X-wing) and they have the best balance of speed, shields/armor, and weaponry. In the Rogue Squadron games they use all kinds of fighter craft that suit the mission profile.

Unless you meant my Rogues =D In which we solely have the iconic orange X-wing gear. There are people that have made "Y-wing"/B-wing gear but it is very rare... But since the battle of Yavin has the pilots flying the Y-wing wearing the orange flight suits I guess it'd be okay to be interchangeable. =)

fishmanlee said:

Rogue Leader said:

I like the Delta 7 Jedi Starfighters............

I like the delta 7B's better..... 

The Delta 7 line were all nice ships although having the option of an astromech be removable is nice. Way better looking that the Eta-2 series anyway.

Yep, those should of been there, along with the Victory-class Star Destroyers, the Z-95, Y-wings with it's full armored plating... They should do a Clone Wars cartoon episode of the Katana Fleet. That'd be kinda cool actually...

I just noticed something the Battle of Endor... Gray Squadron is actually suppose to be a B-wing squadron. If you look at their cockpits

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/d/d3/Grayfour.jpg/250px-Grayfour.jpg

and compare to the Y-wing cockpit in ANH:

http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/tiree.gif

they are nothing alike... The Battle of Endor should of had b-wings and that would explain the vastly different pilot gear and cockpit discrepency...

Nice! That AT-AT should show in the ground battle somewhere and be blown up... by like a falling tree or something.

TV's Frink said:

Rogue Leader said:

Also Isn't TV's Frink a professor?

Professor Frink is a professor.  TV's Frink works in television.

Of course... and TV is always right. ;) I concede. =D

TV's Frink said:

Rogue Leader said:

lol forgot there was the professor here but let me elaborate.

 

The bridge between science and religion solved. ;) Tada... =D

1) I'm the brother of a professor
2) Tada... does not equal D

D'oh! XD

Although Tada would equal D, if D was short for Da... haha! I have you now. Also Isn't TV's Frink a professor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Frink

DuTwan said:

I would personally like to see the Sith eyes go, Maul's eyes were part of his body. They are naturally part of him and his design. Dooku never has Sith eyes thank god. Anakin randomly has Sith eyes in Epi3 while looking at the camera, you george's way of saying:

''Look kids Anakin has yellow eyes, he has now turned evil!''

Palpatine having yellow eyes was good but wouldnt fit in with the rest if all other yellow eyes went. I never imagined Palpatine changing by electricution, I always assumed from epi2 and the OT that he was an evil decaying body by epi6. That it was the force keeping him alive. I'm never gonna put my finger near a socket again, you know, just in case i might turn wrinkly and it spoils my lovely blue eyes haha.

Actually Maul is an Iridonian (aka Zabrak) and those tattoos are not natural nor is his eye color as most iridonian has brown eyes (however, I suppose it is possible for Iridonian's to have yellow eyes... I dunno, I'm not a xeno-biologist... (am a biologist though fyi! =D) ). Maul is the same species as Jedi Master Eeth Kolar who's on the Jedi Council and all other Iridonians I've seen have brown eyes so it maybe safe to say that Maul's baby yellows are a product of being a Sith.

I personally don't like how Anakin turn happened in Episode III, it was melodramic and happen in a second. There was no gradual fall, it was a light switch. Anakin and Mace should of fought like in the video game (it was actually much better there). Anyway, I think taking out the Sith yellow would be fine, just make the light in Anakin's eyes dimmer, darker, narrower... Dooku didn't have Sith eyes so I don't see the point. =P

Besides, Sith eyes have nothing on Hitokiri Battousai, Himura Kenshin:

He'd whip Anakin like nothing... =P

TV's Frink said:

Rogue Leader said:

Which I can also explain via the 1st law of thermodynamics and E=mc^2. =D

*sigh*

E=mc^2.

Ok

E=D

Fail

Don't try to sneak bad math past the brother of a professor.

lol forgot there was the professor here but let me elaborate.

1st law of thermodynamics states energy can not be created or destroyed. Therefore there's just a steady state of energy at all times aka in SW terms: The Force.

With E=mc^2, energy = mass x speed of like squared which essentially means matter and energy are interconvertible (ie nukes). Therefore, The Force is everything and everything is the Force...

The bridge between science and religion solved. ;) Tada... =D