Rogue Leader

mrbenja0618 said:

Rogue Leader said:

mrbenja0618 said:

That's interesting. Sounds like a much stronger plot in my opinion.

 

What's the end result though... Does the Federation obtain what they are looking for? How does the whole thing play out, and how can we make it all happen with the existing footage.

 

Oh, and I've been scarce lately, but welcome to the boards Ming! Look forward to getting to know you! =)

 

Well overall, I think a "cloning arc" is the strongest direction Episode 1 can come from and actually give the overall story a real direction (since as of right now Episode 1 HAS NO DIRECTION). In the end the real end game for Episode 1 should of be the acquiring of cloning tech or something related to that and taken to Kamino so that by Ep. 2 you see what the "Phantom Menace" really was. The Sith have used deception to get what they want and then trigger a "war". However, if you look at it... The war is contrived and not real, the only real loses are Jedi which was the Sith's intention from the start. The final destruction of the Jedi Order by the end of ROTS along with the final fall of one of it's greatest Jedi Knights, Anakin Skywalker.

Other than civilian casualties in which we never see what's being lost in the galaxy? Droids? Who cares... Clones? Ethical eugenic debates aside... who cares? They're copies... The true tragedy in all of this is the Jedi Order who have been the guardians of the Republic from the start and in the end deceived and nearly wiped out by Sith deception via CLONES. What's also interesting however is how the Sith use the truth as a weapon. Dooku tells Obi Wan exactly what's going on within the Republic during his "interrogation" scene:

Count Dooku: What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith? 
Obi-Wan: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it. 
Count Dooku: The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious. 
Obi-Wan: I don't believe you. 

Overall the lines of what's darkside and lightside start to blur. Jedi become Sith (Dooku, Anakin, etc...). Good can no longer sense the Darkside even in their own midst... The Grand Army of the Republic turns on their own Generals, the Jedi Knights and the Sith manipulate both armies to destroy Jedi and place them in no win scenario: Order 66.

Cloning should of been in introduced in Episode 1 for the start. Episode 2 was it's main escalation and implementation for the Jedi to be set up in a huge trap aka "The Clone Wars" and Episode 3 should of been the Sith end game for the destruction of the Jedi and the fall of one of it's greatest Knights.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense actually. lol

 

I agree with what you're saying... Just trying to figure out how to make this actually work.

 

Wouldn't be interesting if the area where the lightsaber fight occurs could be a cloning testing area.... We could take portions of the Kamino edition and use those elements to add little clone pods to that fight scene.... And then maybe at the end, show Palpatine alone in that area... Maybe take another shot from one of the other movies where his back is to us and paste him in a shot where the clone pods are everywhere.... And then could spell out the whole idea.

Yub yub... very similar to what I was thinking... The whole point is have the invasion as a feint but the real reason is human cloning tech. We can tweak the Kaminoans cloning expertise as non-human and so getting Naboo's clone tech for humans is critical to their overall goal as the Empire's biased to aliens is well known. Papatine uses the trade federation as pawns promising them a huge role in his New Imperial Order and they never intended to stay on Naboo (thus only one droid control ship was left behind). They got what they came for and the rest hyped so they leave a small force behind to make it look like an occupation....

That's how I'd mod and retcon this fierfek. =P

ALSO... as a bonus... we can eliminate JarJar and gungans completely. XD

Bingowings said:

Sure I get what you are saying but let's face it the whole thing was set up to put a little Thorn Birds style frisson into the love story.

In the current arrangement the Jedi just come across us utter swines.

A Jedi must not have particular attachments so to test it we will leave the chosen one's mother a slave and see what he does next?

We are supposed to care about these guys?

In ESB Yoda and Ben know just how dangerous Vader can be especially to someone with very little training like Luke (a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing but especially so when you have a guy like Vader pressing all your buttons).

They aren't saying to Luke that his friends aren't worth saving or aren't important.

They certainly don't go out of their way to make sure Luke's friends are in danger or have a crappy life to see how he will react.

They just say that it's more important he finishes the training so he can fulfill the higher goals of his friends (well at least Leia).

Ultimately they don't stop him from going either even when they have put almost all their eggs in one basket.

Sending someone to pick up Shmi, free her and have her live on a Jedi parent pension wouldn't harm their philosophy of non-specific attachment. They could have paid for her to be freed and she could then have married Cliegg of her own free will instead of him buying a bride (that's a weird set up too).

They might as well have fitted him with an electronic chastity belt if they are that concerned with enforcing their rules of attachment ("If you get any naughty thoughts it goes BOOM!").

It just paints the Jedi as a really creepy cult with a disconnect policy :

lol we all know Lucas's love life is one that has NOT contributed to Star Wars in a positive way. Well except maybe Empire since he was going through his divorce at the time (and thus darker...) but we all know that Gary Kurtz saved ESB (and Ady is making it shiny and awesomer XD).

Anyway, we all know that these ideas of "love" have been skewed for Lucas and thus these ideas incorporated into SW have been jacked up as well (ie Anakin and Padme). The idea of the Jedi being unattached is similar to Christian doctrine. However, let's say they did go and rescue Shmi or whatever... She still meets Clegg if she stays on Tattooine and the end result is that the during the Tusken Raider raid they'd still take her.

In fact, that's not a bad idea, all that is a dialog change just mentioning that the Jedi freed her from Watto a long time ago but she opted to stay because of meeting Clegg. Anakin when he senses her pain wants to go but can not abandon the mission either to protect Padme... Makes it an easier fix

Jaitea said:

Kenneth Colley appears in various TV programmes in UK & he always looks a bit pasty

 

But I've given him the'San Tropez' treatment

 

J

Well... how much sun do Imperial Navy Officers get in space? =D

EyeShotFirst said:

doubleofive said:

Rogue Leader said:

How do you make these things sharper? (and I know it's not just the "sharpen" tool cos that causes all kinds of other problems)

It's awesome! I mean I'm good at photoshop but making things sharper and making it look GOOD has always eluded me other than using A LOT of liquify and moving lines individually... Please let me know, I have personal pics I'd love to sharpen. lol

Strangely enough, all he does is run the default Sharpen operation a couple times.  We got his secret a month or so ago.  The picture has to be clear to get that much clearer, fuzzy pictures will always look off.

Yes, Angel's strict use of HD sources is the reason the shapener doesn't screw up the images. If you use low quality, it just makes the pixels more visible.

Mmm... and I was hoping for some kinda of more complicated magical explanation... lol Thanks guys. =D Guess I'll stick with my normal shapening methods for my fun stuff:

Fierfek... =P

How do you make these things sharper? (and I know it's not just the "sharpen" tool cos that causes all kinds of other problems)

It's awesome! I mean I'm good at photoshop but making things sharper and making it look GOOD has always eluded me other than using A LOT of liquify and moving lines individually... Please let me know, I have personal pics I'd love to sharpen. lol

Bingowings said:

It would make more sense if cloning was a Gungan speciality (most of them look the same for some reason).

Jar Jar even claims to have "A grand army".

The Kamino cloning centre seems to be mostly underwater, it could be reworked that they are using Gungan methods to produce the army for the Republic.

Heck, Jar Jar could be a failed clone explaining why his body is so uncoordinated.

It could even explain that bizarre power station that Maul fights the Jedi in (though in my take it's moved to the Federation control ship).

I'm trying to wipe out the Gungans in my own way... lol In all reality that ground battle is totally unnecessary and stupid... When you want both stupid armies to die then maybe they should just go away overall. I think it'd be better if the droids had taken over the city which they have and thus to free Theed they have destroy the droid control ship... thus skipping the ground battle and skipping one less ending.

Oh and the thought of Cloning Gungans... I thought we were trying to make Episode 1 BETTER.  ;)

Bingowings said:

RoccondilRinon said:

Agreed to an extent, but I feel the need to point out: there is a difference, when it comes to morals, between "shades of grey" and "murky and undefined".

That's the problem.

We are told that the Jedi are guardians of peace and justice but they are a bunch of gits who indoctrinate the very young, are on the beck and call of corrupt politicians (until their own turf gets trodden on) they are colossally stupid (as witnessed by the Fett investigation to nowhere) and cruel (they seem to keep Shmi in slavery just to test how attached Anakin is to her).

 

Actually I've thought about this as well... To become a Jedi of this era in the Republic, attachment to things and even people is forbidden. For attachment mean emotional ties to people or objects and with emotions... a possible lure to the Darkside. Thus for Anakin to become a Jedi, he must let go of the things that may distract or trigger these emotions. What if Anakin found out that Shmi had died years ago and he didn't know about it rather than getting to her just as she dies from wounds via torture and so going berserk and slaying those Sand people crossing over to the Darkside there. It was because Shmi was tortured that Anakin could sense his mother was in trouble and attempted to save her but too late. The emotions would be very different if it was just a natural death or accident...

In a sense Anakin is parrellel to Luke when Vader tortures his friends on Cloud City in ESB. Vader is using that attachment knowing that Luke will sense it and come and thus lure him to the Darkside directly. However, for Anakin in Ep II unlike Luke, he went in hopes of saving his mom but could not change fate and he could no accept it and so need an outlet for blame: The Jedi, Obi Wan "It's all his fault" etc...

Jedi had very good reason for forbidding attachments like that and in a sense I can even understand why they would NOT allow Anakin to get to his mother. Thus the whole idea of Jedi taking Force-sensitive kids as babies before such attachments form. However, it's because of that bond with his mother Anakin defies the Jedi Order and goes to her. Padme at that point is the only person keeping him grounded afterwards which ends in Ep. III.

Also, for the Jedi Order to accept your child to be trained as a Jedi is great honor in many cultures all over the galaxy and parents of such children willingly give them up to be trained as such. The idea is that as Jedi the will have abilities and power far beyond what their parents can possible give their kids. They are gifted in that respect and thus sending them to an gifted program aka The Jedi Order, will give them advantages to establish their greatness with in the galaxy. Does that make sense now? ;)

Ironically I think Episode II is the strongest of the Prequels even if the "love" scenes were total garbage...

mrbenja0618 said:

That's interesting. Sounds like a much stronger plot in my opinion.

 

What's the end result though... Does the Federation obtain what they are looking for? How does the whole thing play out, and how can we make it all happen with the existing footage.

 

Oh, and I've been scarce lately, but welcome to the boards Ming! Look forward to getting to know you! =)

Well overall, I think a "cloning arc" is the strongest direction Episode 1 can come from and actually give the overall story a real direction (since as of right now Episode 1 HAS NO DIRECTION). In the end the real end game for Episode 1 should of be the acquiring of cloning tech or something related to that and taken to Kamino so that by Ep. 2 you see what the "Phantom Menace" really was. The Sith have used deception to get what they want and then trigger a "war". However, if you look at it... The war is contrived and not real, the only real loses are Jedi which was the Sith's intention from the start. The final destruction of the Jedi Order by the end of ROTS along with the final fall of one of it's greatest Jedi Knights, Anakin Skywalker.

Other than civilian casualties in which we never see what's being lost in the galaxy? Droids? Who cares... Clones? Ethical eugenic debates aside... who cares? They're copies... The true tragedy in all of this is the Jedi Order who have been the guardians of the Republic from the start and in the end deceived and nearly wiped out by Sith deception via CLONES. What's also interesting however is how the Sith use the truth as a weapon. Dooku tells Obi Wan exactly what's going on within the Republic during his "interrogation" scene:

Count Dooku: What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith? 
Obi-Wan: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it. 
Count Dooku: The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious. 
Obi-Wan: I don't believe you. 

Overall the lines of what's darkside and lightside start to blur. Jedi become Sith (Dooku, Anakin, etc...). Good can no longer sense the Darkside even in their own midst... The Grand Army of the Republic turns on their own Generals, the Jedi Knights and the Sith manipulate both armies to destroy Jedi and place them in no win scenario: Order 66.

Cloning should of been in introduced in Episode 1 for the start. Episode 2 was it's main escalation and implementation for the Jedi to be set up in a huge trap aka "The Clone Wars" and Episode 3 should of been the Sith end game for the destruction of the Jedi and the fall of one of it's greatest Knights.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense actually. lol

Uniform TIE variations color would be better I'd think. Grey it up! =D

rcb said:

Rogue Leader said:

rcb said:

Rogue Leader said:

The Executor should crash at an angle... straight down like it currently is rather unlikely. Also a series of explosions should rip throughout the hull as the ship hits and should detonate as it sinks in. As it stands in ROTJ it looks like the Executor is popping a fire filled balloon. *poof* 

Chopping away at a SSD would take FOREVER so having it go out of control is convenient for the movie. =D If there is ever an X-wing Rogue Squadron "The Bacta War" movie. Then there could a sequence when Rogue Squadron chops away at the Lusankya (another SSD in the EU) but even than after hundreds of proton torpedoes... It wasn't enough to destroy the ship, just turn a lot of it to slag.

Anyway, whatever Ady's team of magicians does with the Battle of Endor I just know it's gonna be epic. As the last of the SW movies it still stands up today as the greatest space battle of all time (Other than Ady's ANH:Revisited Battle of Yavin lol!).

 on ur comment of the rogue squadron movie, the first EU movie that will be made, (maybe), is the republic commando and imperial commando series. those are the best EU novels i've ever read.

Ummm they have that, it's called the "Clone Wars" Cartoon series... and the action is the only decent thing about that series. Everything else is a retconning nightmare. =P I do love the Republic Commando game though. It's excellent and the music in it rocks. Who wouldn't love ancient Mandalorian War chants. XD

Kote, Mando Vode An!

 

 there u go! actually republic commando focuses on a group of clone commandos, special forces. It tells the story of how skirata, mandolorian, became the father of the clones by training them and saving them from the kaminoans due to faulty production and crap.

really good series. it really opens ur eyes to how unique the clones really were. go out and read the series! you'll have a shabla good time!

Yeah I'm aware. It follows the Deltas, Omega, along with the Nulls, and some other commando special forces groups. The Nulls were saved by their Kiminoan creators by Skirata who took them under his wing by the Mandalorian tradition called "gai bal manda", the Mandalorian form of adoption and binding by Mandalorian law... I love the fact they have near photographic memory for obvious reasons. ;)

I personally love the Deltas cos the Rep Commando game and "Fierfek" is one of my favorite swears now cos no one knows what it means and it has two Fs. =P When I was in Hawaii with some friends a few years ago we rented a van to go around the big island and travel with the side doors open like on those Republic gun ships. We joked and said it was "Republican Commando" style. XD

Actually I think it would be pretty awesome to have Skirata or someone else in some Beskar'gam/Mandolorian steel armor seen in the training facility on Kamino for Episode II Revisited. Just in the distance somewhere...

Actually, I recall a fan story about having the reason for invading Naboo is really because they are keepers of cloning technology, and the story was written based of the speculation based on the trailers only and before Episode 1 came out. (You wonder why the Queen and her handmaidens look alike right?).

Therefore the Trade Federations blockade/invasion is correlated to the Sith to get the cloning tech... thus setting up Episode 2 with the Clone Wars erupting... The purpose of the Clone Wars in general is a means for the Sith to destroy the Jedi. We all know this, but it's not blatantly obvious as it should be. Episode 1 should of focused on defining the perimeters of the Jedi Orders destruction by the Sith and that way we understand Episode 2 and 3 as the Sith's master plan coming to fruition.

Considering it was a fan story I didn't use my special photographic memory ability to remember exact details but I did think that as a driver for invasion made sense... Maybe we can salvage that driver and use it as clear means that makes sense to Revisit Episode 1 cos really, ANYTHING is an improvement on that thing and having a clear point would be refreshing...

Also we can use existing cloning facility footage/images from Episode 2 but on a smaller scale in order to drive that plot further. I think before anything, the main driver for the plot should be clear and defined and all the other fixes would fall into place afterwards... The cloning idea is the driver for ALL the rest of the movies and should of been introduced in Episode 1. It makes the ultimate betrayal in Episode 3 make that much more sense.

I'm so late to this discussion and I have no idea what's going on (which is really rare concerning SW... lol).

However, concerning the Prequels is that the story makes no sense what so ever and to be able to use existing footage to create something that makes sense is gonna take a whole new level or rewrites and rework of scenes and story... Unlike the OT which is more straight forward and makes sense the main problem will be Episode 1. I think this uber 70-minute Review details it's problems nicely:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/17/watch-this-70-minute-video-review-of-star-wars-the-phantom-menace/

Regardless I think this is a case where radical out of the box ideas are totally valid to Revisit (Remake) Episode 1 make more sense to the point where it flows in the Episode 2 (which I actually kinda liked except for Hayden and the "love" scenes"...). Even my special ability of near photographic memory can't really help all too much unless you want EU retconning crap which is LFL authors doing damage control. haha....

One possible resource I may have a long shot chance in pulling off (yes, it's a VERY LONG SHOT)... I have a lead on Ray Park. One of my friends is actually good friends with Ray and I was called in to help with getting a dojo location for him to do a martial arts demonstration sometime in April for WonderCon weekend in San Francisco. If I manage to pull off the impossible then perhaps by the time of Episode 1 Revisited we can have Ray do "stuff" lol... (again A VERY LONG SHOT...). I also do know Daniel Logan as well although obviously he no longer looks like a 10-year old Boba. ;)

vaderios said:

The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

There!!

 

-Angel

Mmm... yes... back to ESB:R. I'm working on another X-wing helmet and I'm hoping to get the Hoth X-wing jacket done by the end of the week along with getting the last Blastech A-295 we need for our last Hoth Solider...

2 Hoth X-wing pilots, and 4 Hoth Rebel Soliders for those of you keeping score. =D Pics to be posted when those things come together. =)

EyeShotFirst said:

Rogue Leader said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Rogue Leader said:

Timstuff said:

I agree that de-bluing can be taken a bit too far in some instances. If you take too much out, you run the risk of making a shot look bland and removing the "cold" feeling of outer-space. Obviously the 2004 DVDs took it way too far (and was probably unintentional), but leaving a little bit in some shots of the cleaned up versions isn't a bad idea IMO. I still think all the TIEs should be gray, though. :p

On that note, let's do Avatar Revisited next... ;) Where the Na'vi will be grey. XD

 

"If I want to paint my house green, even though everybody says I should paint it red. Guess what? I'm gonna paint it Jar Jar."

jar jar is the most hideous shade of paint EVAR... =P I'd burn down the house if it was painted that color. XD

Well, Jar Jar only comes in a special edition paint. One that is a flame retardant.

jar jar is flaming retarded. =P Oh wait... that's not what you said... I have selective reading. ;) haha...

EyeShotFirst said:

Rogue Leader said:

Timstuff said:

I agree that de-bluing can be taken a bit too far in some instances. If you take too much out, you run the risk of making a shot look bland and removing the "cold" feeling of outer-space. Obviously the 2004 DVDs took it way too far (and was probably unintentional), but leaving a little bit in some shots of the cleaned up versions isn't a bad idea IMO. I still think all the TIEs should be gray, though. :p

On that note, let's do Avatar Revisited next... ;) Where the Na'vi will be grey. XD

 

"If I want to paint my house green, even though everybody says I should paint it red. Guess what? I'm gonna paint it Jar Jar."

jar jar is the most hideous shade of paint EVAR... =P I'd burn down the house if it was painted that color. XD

Timstuff said:

I agree that de-bluing can be taken a bit too far in some instances. If you take too much out, you run the risk of making a shot look bland and removing the "cold" feeling of outer-space. Obviously the 2004 DVDs took it way too far (and was probably unintentional), but leaving a little bit in some shots of the cleaned up versions isn't a bad idea IMO. I still think all the TIEs should be gray, though. :p

On that note, let's do Avatar Revisited next... ;) Where the Na'vi will be grey. XD

adywan said:

It's Shatner's cup. lol

It does make it look like the one stormie is wearing some strange looking shorts. I wonder why they had just the one stormtrooper have a different attachment to his belt?

It's an "Imperial Moon" and I don't mean DS2 =D

rcb said:

Rogue Leader said:

The Executor should crash at an angle... straight down like it currently is rather unlikely. Also a series of explosions should rip throughout the hull as the ship hits and should detonate as it sinks in. As it stands in ROTJ it looks like the Executor is popping a fire filled balloon. *poof* 

Chopping away at a SSD would take FOREVER so having it go out of control is convenient for the movie. =D If there is ever an X-wing Rogue Squadron "The Bacta War" movie. Then there could a sequence when Rogue Squadron chops away at the Lusankya (another SSD in the EU) but even than after hundreds of proton torpedoes... It wasn't enough to destroy the ship, just turn a lot of it to slag.

Anyway, whatever Ady's team of magicians does with the Battle of Endor I just know it's gonna be epic. As the last of the SW movies it still stands up today as the greatest space battle of all time (Other than Ady's ANH:Revisited Battle of Yavin lol!).

 on ur comment of the rogue squadron movie, the first EU movie that will be made, (maybe), is the republic commando and imperial commando series. those are the best EU novels i've ever read.

Ummm they have that, it's called the "Clone Wars" Cartoon series... and the action is the only decent thing about that series. Everything else is a retconning nightmare. =P I do love the Republic Commando game though. It's excellent and the music in it rocks. Who wouldn't love ancient Mandalorian War chants. XD

Kote, Mando Vode An!

adywan said:

Hey, Ming. Welcome to the boards :)

Ty Ady, =D I figured I'd make my presence known before the 2nd Unit rumors get into the realm of legend that even my Rogues could not live up to. ;)

adywan said:

vaderios said:

Rogue Leader said:

Ady's team of magicians

I keep that as evidence..

 

-Angel

Evidence for what?

The only thing i know about the Executors demise in ROTJ:R so far is that it will not be crashing into the Death Star the way it does at the moment.

Rather than ILM we can call them ATM: "Ady's Team of Magicians"... Although it also stands for Automatic Teller Machine... Maybe ATW? Ady's Team of Wizards? =D

doubleofive said:

We forgot to tell you all when he came in, Ming is crazy-knowledgable about the EU. Like a Wookieepedia that posts back. ;-)

Hahaha... Usually my reputations proceeds me. ;) I'll do my best from going all out concerning EU here though. It'd just cause mass confusion and panic, kinda like Godzilla taking a stroll through Tokyo. =P

The Executor should crash at an angle... straight down like it currently is rather unlikely. Also a series of explosions should rip throughout the hull as the ship hits and should detonate as it sinks in. As it stands in ROTJ it looks like the Executor is popping a fire filled balloon. *poof* 

Chopping away at a SSD would take FOREVER so having it go out of control is convenient for the movie. =D If there is ever an X-wing Rogue Squadron "The Bacta War" movie. Then there could a sequence when Rogue Squadron chops away at the Lusankya (another SSD in the EU) but even than after hundreds of proton torpedoes... It wasn't enough to destroy the ship, just turn a lot of it to slag.

Anyway, whatever Ady's team of magicians does with the Battle of Endor I just know it's gonna be epic. As the last of the SW movies it still stands up today as the greatest space battle of all time (Other than Ady's ANH:Revisited Battle of Yavin lol!).

savmagoett said:

vaderios said:

Just wondering if the SDs should have hangars in this(and the other shots)?

-Angel

Nope! On that side it's just a wide bay with doors closed.

You could open it though…

Unless you want to totally change the SD's design?

Well, that only assumes that all ISDs have the exact same cookie cutter design as well... I think of it like air craft carriers, there are a few of them, they looks similar overall (llike when you see one it's instantly recognizable) but configuration and layout in some areas could be very different. Love these mock ups. XD Very nice!

Marcos_Edson said:

Rogue Leader said:

When DS2's superlaser destroyed the MC80 class star cruiser "Liberty" (the first star cruise destroyed), I think the beam should go right through the ship and it's concussive energy of the hit should vape it's escorts (the frigate and the corvette that are next to it) and maybe some starfighters too. I always thought that only one ship got hit and nothing happens to the ships around it was kinda odd and it would show the crazy power of the superlaser.

I see your point and I´m not against it although I don´t think that having the beam "stopping" after hitting the Liberty looks bad; afterall, the imperials would have adjusted it for a small target... On the other hand, if we think about the estimated size of the DSII and how big those laser beams must be... having such a weapon used on a trivial target as a cruiser looks an awful waste of energy... :D

Having the Liberty´s escorts being destroyed as well makes sense; if not the DS laser itself the explosions of the Liberty alone should destroy the corvette and fighters and at least damage the frigate. Actually, back in the day, shockwave damage by nearby exploding craft was one of the few cool additions to the X-Wing Alliance game... And as a somehow related piece of trivia, if editing a mission and have the DSII fire at a Super Star Destroyer in the game, it would oddly take several shots to destroy it; but if the shot went THROUGH the SSD when firing at another target, the SSD would be destroyed immediately, in a way achieveing the effect suggested in Rogue Leader´s post... :)

I have X-wing Alliance... I guess I should of actually played all of it. Did beat X-wing and TIE Fighter. Should really install it and beat the crap out of it now that I have PC that can run it but I need a new stick. =P

Anyway, that's an neat tidbit of trivia. I like it! =D Overall I think a weapon meant for blowing up entire planets would take out any ship at Endor in one shoot if not several ships all at once. In fact the beam should be rather larger as well now that I think about it... I mean you look at one of the individual beams from one superlaser elements in that tunnel and that tunnel is HUGE. When those beams converge at the focusing point of the superlaser that beam form has to be even bigger.

As for the Bothan thing... the actress who portrayed Mon Mothma when reading the line saying "Many Bothans died to bring us this information". She said she felt that the tone was to make note of a great sacrifice this particular group made on behalf of the Alliance. Not single anyone out in a negative way. She had no idea what Bothans were but she understood it was a matter of sacrifice and sorrow for that sacrifice they had made. It was not a stab at being biased. I mean, you can say "many people died in the earthquake in Haiti" for example, but it's not as powerful in all reality as saying "many Haitians died in that earthquake". It draws peoples focus on the particular group to draw an emotional tie of sorrow and is symbolic for drawing strength to help this particular group. The Rebel Alliance is all about such symbols of sacrifice, honor, and loyalty.

I did see the elements for not having Boba Fett in certain scenes and this side story for him selling information to the Rebel Alliance... Umm... I can safely say it's an interesting idea but it's never gonna happen. It deviates FAR too much from the orginal film and I can also blow many holes in this as well from an EU perspective. However, I'm avoiding such an EU contest cos it's not productive. lol... However, it would make for an interesting alternate universe story though. =D

Oh! I wanted to post another idea/wish for B-wings. =D In the b-wing's standard cruise mode the B-wing flies on it's side (like the Falcon). In attack mode the hull rotates around the cockpit as it's s-foils locks in attack position. I would LOVE to see that as the fleet arrives at Endor and a whole bunch of B-wings hulles rotate downward as their cockpit stays stationary and the s-foils lock in attack position. That would be such a stunning visual and accurate to how B-wings operate (first 8 seconds of this video illustrates what the heck I'm talking about):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxMqrq1pdVg

And this video at timestamp 0:22:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdWranhyXA&feature=related