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#1128818
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The Hobbit: Roadshow Edition ❖ FIRST TEASER NOW ONLINE ❖
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The Hobbit: Roadshow Edition
a fan edit by Roccondil Rínon

So I’m back to editing. I hadn’t touched my 3-in-1 Hobbit edit in quite a while, but I’ve been inspired to get back and finish the damn thing.

Teaser trailer is now LIVE here.

I liked eldusto84’s edit, J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit, very much, but there are a number of things I want to do differently, many of which involve shortening the film even further, but some of which involve reinstating scenes. Mamman’s The Little Hobbit managed to make the film coherent, if rushed at some points, in under 3 hours, which is also the length I’m aiming for. If I can’t get it that short and be happy with it, I’ll be content with under 208 minutes, the length of the shortest Lord of the Rings Extended Edition.

In my first passes, I managed to get the first two movies down to 100 minutes each, and since watching Mamman’s edit I’ve confirmed that I can get rid of plenty more of both of them, probably down to 80 if not 60 minutes each. (My first passes kept Azog, Radagast, Tauriel and Kili’s subplots mostly intact, as I wasn’t sure I’d be able to keep things coherent without them; the third movie hadn’t come out yet by that point. They’re now definitely all for the chop.)

It won’t be a strict attempt at a book cut, but so long as it’s no less faithful than the LOTR movies, and a suitable prelude to them, I’ll be content. I want to keep it light-hearted and whimsical, without being childish or silly. I find that a lot of edits (not just of this movie, either) go too far in removing whimsy, while leaving in action scenes that could safely be excised. So I’ll be keeping “Blunt the Knives” and some of the dwarvish trolling in Rivendell, as well as Gandalf’s trolling of Beorn from the Extended Edition, while completely eliminating the interminable chase scenes (all three of them) and reducing the Battle of Five Armies itself to maybe five or ten minutes. In fact, I’ll be adding in a few gags that are in neither the book nor the trilogy, such as a smash cut from the dwarves charging the trolls to the trolls cooking the dwarves, and adding some narration from the book (about Rivendell being a perfect place for eating, singing, or just sitting and thinking) over scenes of the dwarves testing the elves’ patience.

For three reasons, I’m going with a roadshow format for this edit.

  • Any movie this long needs an intermission. I did once sit through a LOTR Extended Edition marathon at the Astor Theatre (Melbourne’s premier cinema), which was a fantastic experience, not least because (in addition to breaks between the movies themselves) they added proper intermissions at appropriate points.
  • I want to be able to release it on single-layer Blu Ray and DVD with maximum quality, which will almost certainly require making a 2-disc set. This also necessitates an intermission. I do have a drive capable of burning BD-50s (got it especially to make my copy of NJVC’s Despecialized set), but I know a lot of people don’t, and the discs themselves are rare and expensive. It also means it will match the Extended Editions of the LOTR trilogy, which all come on two discs.
  • Once that was decided, the idea of including an overture, entr’acte and full opening credits was too attractive to resist. I simply love old movies that were made in this format, like Ben-Hur, 2001 and so on (both of which, among others, I also saw in the format at the Astor). I’ve already found (or in one instance, composed) music I want to use for them. They’ll be easily skippable for party-poopers or those in a rush.

JEDIT: I was going to be doing this in 720p, but my equipment can handle 1080p after all, and I can upscale the handful of cropped shots just fine.

Below I’ll post a (more or less) sequence-by-sequence description of the planned project.

Progress:
Vanity plates and opening titles are rendered and complete, including executive producer credits for Johnny Ringo and a friend from university who bugged me to get back into the project, as well as an “additional visual effects” credit for eldusto84. End titles are composed but not yet rendered (I expect I’ll want to include thanks to some more people on here). Act one (ie. An Unexpected Journey/The Desolation of Smaug) exists in rough draft form, but requires further cutting. Act two hasn’t been started yet.

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#1108814
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I like that idea, JARUS5.

I know Ady has said the deleted scenes aren’t possible to include due to image quality problems, but does that extend to the audio? Could Yoda say, for example, “Obi-Wan would have told you long ago, had I let him. Now a great weakness you carry,” while his back is to Luke?

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#1105946
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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One thing that always bothered me about ROTJ is the “alien” dialogue. In ANH, Greedo sounds like he’s speaking an actual different language, and (although they’re not being Revisited) the same is true for alien dialogue in the other movies. In ROTJ, Jabba and Bib Fortuna are both very obviously speaking English that has been dubbed with lip-synced gibberish — despite the fact that one is a puppet and the other has heavy makeup including dentures, so they didn’t need to lip-sync it anything like as closely as they did.

Would Adywan consider re-dubbing these characters (as well as Leia, perhaps, who just says pretty much the same thing over and over with that mask) with believable dialogue that actually sounds like a different language? If so, I’d like to volunteer my services. I have some experience in the field (I majored in linguistics at uni, and I’ve worked and corresponded with Mark Rosenfelder of The Language Construction Kit), and I’d jump at the chance to sketch a language and write dialogue to fit the existing subtitles (or any alterations to them Ady sees fit to make). It should be easy enough to base it, phonologically and grammatically, on Greedo’s dialogue in ANH.

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#1105083
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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My suggestion was only for an Adywan-approved project; I entirely agree that no one else’s project should carry the name “Revisited”. For that matter, there’s no reason a collaborative PT:R attempt would have to use the name if it was done with Ady’s approval, ideas and/or creative input.

Either way, it’d be quite a while off, even if ROTJ:R comes faster than anyone expects. I don’t want this to derail the thread; it was just food for thought.

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#1104991
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I was sad to see that the PT:R is no more, but I’ll be extremely keen to see what Ady had in mind for it. I don’t want to put any pressure on him to change his mind; we should be more than grateful if he decided to pack it in now, and we’re still going to get two more (effectively) Revisiteds yet. But I do have an idea.

The Revisited project has become a collaborative project already; probably the biggest of all fan-edits in this regard by a considerable margin. I wonder if Ady might consider handing off the reins to someone else (005, perhaps? Ming?) to coordinate a group effort to realise his vision — after ROTJ:R and A:R:SE are finished, of course. I believe a sanctioned PT:R, “executive produced” if you like by Ady and following his plans and outlines (and with his definitive say to resolve disputes if necessary), would be much more likely to be successful than a bunch of competing solo attempts to match his work. I think we all underestimate how much work he’s put into this project, but I think together we might be able to get it done.

I’m on the other side of the world from most of the people here; my editing skills are extremely basic and I’ve no experience with VFX; my contribution would have to be in the area of planning and design. But I’d be eager to put my hand up as part of a group effort, if Adywan does decide to pass the lightsabre on.

Just putting it out there as a thought. I won’t say any more about this at this point, and if Ady rules it out then of course that would be that.

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#1083565
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I’ve uploaded low-res versions for preview purposes – the final version of the inner case especially will differ from this.

Slipcase

Actual cover

The slipcase is designed for printing on standard 11"x14" photo paper (my regular printer does a lovely metallic card stock in this size) and the cover art for ordinary A4 size paper. I’ve also done matching disc art, which I don’t have time to upload a preview of this morning; and I’m going to do a little four-page booklet with chapter index and so on as well. Any suggestions, comments or requests are welcome, and people are welcome to use my little back-cover blurb for their own designs if they would like.

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#1083379
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I’ve got a blu-ray cover and slipcase ready to go, just waiting on confirmation on any special features and so on before I finalise it, so it’ll probably be uploaded a day or two after the movie itself. It’s not a continuation of my ANH:R design, because (much as I love Drew Struzan’s SE posters) my personal style has evolved. It’s a more elegant style, based on the ROTJ lightsaber teaser.

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#1070928
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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DonShockley said:

First of all, let me apologize to the original creator of this artwork. The source pdf file got seperated from the folder with the name of who I downloaded it from so I lost track of the creator. But I thank you. My small contribution is nothing more than basic rearranging and miniscule modification of your outstanding work to meet my particular needs.

That was me. No apology necessary. This reminded me, I’ve continued to work on that set of artwork since I uploaded it, I ought to make the finished version available. Will probably post it here at some point this weekend.

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#998549
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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The fonts used for the crawls are News Gothic Bold (for episode number and body) and News Gothic Bold Extra Condensed (for the episode title). I’m not certain of the exact details, but 40pt for the episode number, 54pt for the episode title (vertically stretched to 170%), and 32pt for the body text seems to be a good match to the original ESB crawl. Matching the line spacing by eye gives me 106pt leading between number and title, 87pt leading between title and text, 45pt leading within the paragraphs and an extra 44pt between paragraphs, but I’m even less confident of that.

That’s matching to the original theatrical crawl; I’m not sure if Ady’s made any special modifications himself.

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#985792
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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And here’s the Dropbox link to the rest of my covers. click here

Included are 6- and 10-disc versions (ie. 50GB and 25GB, respectively), as well as 9- and 13-disc versions including Adywan’s Revisited editions for when they come out. The individual covers are for Criterion-size cases, but I’ve also included standard-size versions of the complete set, because I’m one of the poor sods who can’t get Criterion cases (at least not without paying ten times their cost in shipping to Australia).

I’ve also included a 12-page booklet with the comprehensive details of the contents of the set; I’ve made a draft 16-page version for the complete set including Revisited, but, obviously, that won’t be able to be finalised until the Revisited versions are released, and who knows how many years away ROTJ:R is, so I haven’t included it in the upload.

Any comments, suggestions, or requests are more than welcome.

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#975296
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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All these covers are making me feel quite inadequate, but here’s my own contribution. I’ve deliberately kept details of this specific release off the individual covers, so you could use them for any release of the Despecialized Editions. I’ve done a 10-disc version (for people who can only do 25GB discs), disc art and a simple 12-page booklet as well, and I’ll be putting them all in a single zip file and uploading them soon. They’ll be better image quality than you can see here, I’ll be exporting them as pdfs not jpegs; this is just for the sake of having a preview.

Any comments, suggestions or requests are more than welcome.

Box set cover

Star Wars cover

The Empire Strikes Back cover

Return of the Jedi cover

I’m also planning on a variant of this set including Adywan’s Revisited edits, for when they’re all finished.

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#959886
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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Mainly just posting here so I can keep up to date on the thread. I don’t have the data allowance to get this set as it stands, but I should be able to grab it later in the year. I’m also working on a case design for the set, which I’ll share here when it’s done. Planning on two- and three-disc versions as well as a four-disc set including these plus Ady’s Revisited for completists. Any other suggestions or requests?