Rhikter

Adywan.  I just had ANH:R playing in the background and as the credits were playing I noticed, for the first time, the few measures from Battle of the Heroes that you slipped in before The Throne Room plays.  Very subtle and seamless.  You sly devil : P.

Originally posted by rcb:

"i know this is off topic but what does EV stand for?"

Episode Five?

Originally posted by JohnGreenArt:

"My problem with R2 flying is that, come ANH, why wouldn't the Rebels think of just stuffing a bomb inside an astromech and having that fly into the Death Star's 2-meter wide exhaust port?"

... You can't possibly be serious.

EDIT: Oh wow!  I can't believe I never noticed the awesome use of foreshadowing in that scene that TMBTM posted; where Anakin gets the droid parts bolted overtop his arm.  Lol!

Originally posted by TMBTM:

"Here is a 3 minutes 30 secondes 23M Divx video sample of an EP2 edit I've made."

That was extremely well paced and edited.  Great work!

Something about that scene that I never liked, even when it was in theaters, is that they use the POV angle from the giant smelting vats before Padme is actually about to be scalded.  It just seems like poor editing to me because it makes us think that she is about to die before we are supposed to think it.

Originally posted by Bingowings:

"The Anakin/Dooku conflict is almost impossible to pad out visually."

Probably would have been an easier fix if Dooku hadn't gone out like a punk in RotS.

Originally posted by Bingowings:

"It might be easier to put [flying R2] into Jedi than to take it out of the prequel trilogy."

Man, I keep debating with myself over whether or not I like flying R2.  Is it so unreasonable to suspect that, between the PT and OT, the jet system was "removed for the adventurous little droid's own good", or that he used it to navigate the bottom of the swamp on Dagobah?

I really like your suggestion too Bingowings.

EDIT: I made a post earlier about how the Kenobi/Grievous rivalry could have been fleshed out more.  It just occurred to me that rivalry could have been a more fleshed out element of the PT in general.  I mean,  we've got the Kenobi/Grievous rivalry, the Padme/Nute Gunray rivalry, and the Anakin/Dooku rivalry.  Granted, as is, they are not very deeply explored, but if they had been it would have added a lot more depth of character to both our heroes and villains.  The Anakin/Dooku rivalry would have been especially fitting considering Anakin, ironically, ends up replacing Dooku as Palpatine's apprentice.

The time may have come for people like us to stop trying to the best of our ability to interpret the law and appease the "powers that be."  Perhaps we should do something along the lines of form a committee, or two, or more (Since legal issues are different across the pond and in other parts of the world) to compile a list of arguments for our cause, and then get professional legal advice on the matter.

EDIT: We could even form a full fledged organization. Something along the lines of "International Association for the Lawful Advancement of Fan-Edits" only with a catchier acronym.

Originally posted by Biowings:

"...perhaps the footage could be taken from some of those...without using a fan in a suit."

I would never use a "fan" in a suit.  I'd use either a real actor, or maybe a student actor, who would make an effort to pickup on Anthony Daniels' 3PO mannerisms.

Furthermore, if the green-screen technique were implemented, the "R2 Flying" issue could be solved by using a combination of R2 against green-screen and existing footage.  Though, I supposed this could also be accomplished with a CG R2.  That is, if someone puts in the effort to make one.  I'll bet someone already has.

I'd never opt for a CG 3PO though.  I think we can all agree that CG 3PO in AotC seemed very "lifeless."

Originally posted by Bingowings:

"Another idea that occurred to me was rather than removing Threepio from the prequels perhaps sticking him (the full Gold version) in all of them..."

Hell, it could be pulled off very convincingly if you outsourced it to someone with green-screen experience and got an actor in a decent looking 3PO costume.  Plus, since the actor in the suit would be able to make gestures appropriate to the lines, you would have a level of control over the direction of the character and his function in the story that you would not have if you were just redubbing existing 3PO footage with sampled Anthony Daniels dialogue.  Adywan has already proven his proficiency with changing backgrounds completely, so this could be very feasible.

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Originally posted by LordVader:

"ok, I shall remain inactive until Kurgan stops posting his bullshit, or more likely when I have to donn my trenchcoat and scarf when hell freezes over..."

I don't understand what this has to do with the post of mine that you cited.

Originally posted by JohnGreenArt:

"Sorry if someone asked, but is it possible to replace Sidious in TPM with Dooku?"

Wow, you just reminded me of how underused Dooku was in the PT.  While I doubt it's possible to do in a seamless way, I'd love to see more depth added to Dooku's character.  Maybe we could dub in a sound bite from, say, a book on tape, animated special, or video game in which Christopher Lee or a sound alike as Dooku talks about how incensed he was at the Jedi Order after the death of Qui-Gon.  If it's a sound alike, the voice could be tampered with t make it sound a bit more like Christopher Lee.

"There were aliens IN the race who are part of the Republic.  What money did they use when they got to the planet?"

That doesn't mean that those particular aliens were Republic citizens.

Perhaps Obi-Wan's line is ESB "The Jedi master who instructed me" could be changed to something more general along the lines of "A Jedi master who instructed me" though not as ham-fisted as my example here.

Originally posted by TMBTM:

"First it's not Owen speaking but Obi-Wan ( the "point of view" man). Second, Maybe between episode 2 and 3, Owen had conversations with Anakin about how he thinks that he should stay on Tatooine, in the family."

I always just thought that Obi-Wan was lying to Luke.  I'm sure in his mind this explanation sounded a lot better than "Your father was a whiny self absorbed bitch who was easily manipulated by a pasty old man with a fetish for cyborgs."

Lol!  But seriously, he did have to tell him something other than "Your father is Darth Vader."

Originally posted by Kurgan:

"If we can criticize the actual films, we can darn well criticize somebody's "fan edit" of it, thank you very much!"

I'm about ready to use the "ignore" feature on all of Kurgan's future posts because he confuses Criticism with Harassment.

Originally posted by Kurgan:

"Trouble with that explanation is..."

"Artistic License" Kurgan!  And that's all I have left to say on the "Saber Duel" matter.  When I originally posted about that I was using it as an example to support my primary argument.  Any further discussion of it has no place in this thread.  If anyone wants to continue pursuing it - Kurgan - I suggest they make a new thread, or find an existing one, and then point it out to those of us in this thread.

I don't think I read it on this thread LordVader because I remember it being before I had made an account at OriginalTrilogy.com

Also, I was only using the "Saber Duel" argument as an example of many similar arguments that I've heard over time.  In fact, I just had a discussion with someone in PT: Revisited thread about omitting color designations from Clone Troopers to make them look more like Stormtroopers.  Needles to say I was against it for the same reasons I highlighted in my  "Artistic License" argument.

I bet if they had been made in that order the fact that Luke and Leia are Darth Vader's children would have been downplayed considerably in RotS so it could have more of an impact in ESB.  Or, maybe they would have given Darth Vader more screen time in the OT so as to keep "Anakin" front and center throughout the entire saga.  Oh how it is fun to speculate.

Originally posted by The Golden Idol:

"To me, they're just "special features" for the OT."

Rofl!!!

Originally posted by ben_danger:

"my point was to make the clone/storm troopers consistant.:P

so id just make the clone troopers blank."

It's funny.  I just made a post in the ESB:R forum that pretty much sums up my feelings towards this proposal:

Originally posted by Rhikter:

"Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

I bring this up because some people need to seriously consider exactly what it is they're talking about when they make arguments like this "Saber Duel" one.  We cannot think about forms of art - especially film - in a purely logical manner.  As layman as it may sound, the fact is that, if we did, movies would be extremely boring and unoriginal.  You must have a harmony between your artistic and logical vision.  Yes, the battles in the PT could have be done similarly to those in the OT, but that would not have been artistically reflective of the world GL was trying to create for the PT; that is a world where the Jedi order is thriving and at it's highest.  The elegance of the PT duels reflects this, just as the passive battles of the OT reflect a dark oppresive world where Luke received his training from an elderly Kenobi and Yoda, and Vader has asthma."

I wouldn't want to change the Clone Troopers to all white because that use of color is reflective of the all inclusive, diverse Republic as opposed to the monotony of the tyrannically fascist Empire.

Originally posted by Josh:

"No maul=Grevious, to that= Fail.

Think about it, long and hard, just think. I don't need to explain it."

Yes... you support your argument so convincingly...

Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

I bring this up because some people need to seriously consider exactly what it is they're talking about when they make arguments like this "Saber Duel" one.  We cannot think about forms of art - especially film - in a purely logical manner.  As layman as it may sound, the fact is that, if we did, movies would be extremely boring and unoriginal.  You must have a harmony between your artistic and logical vision.  Yes, the battles in the PT could have be done similarly to those in the OT, but that would not have been artistically reflective of the world GL was trying to create for the PT; that is a world where the Jedi order is thriving and at it's highest.  The elegance of the PT duels reflects this, just as the passive battles of the OT reflect a dark oppresive world where Luke received his training from an elderly Kenobi and Yoda, and Vader has asthma.

The forum was dead.  I felt like someone needed to say something. : D

Perhaps the good fellow who made those CG Ties for Adywan in ANH:R could do a convincing Grievous model.  That'd be a start.

Also, I'm beginning to suspect that GL f'd up the PT on purpose as part of some elaborate marketing ploy, or search for newfound praise.

Originally posted by Adywan:

"...i was thinking of taking a couple of signed copies of ANH:R with me to give away"

My lord, is that legal?