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oh_riginal said:

This isn't nearly as cool as the potential for the scene can be, but it's a visual example nonetheless.

Note: Pretend the rebel in the turret seat just LOOKS like Luke....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHOrjo3hB2I

Watched and rated.  Very cool.  Really hope it can happen.  Love how you used Adywan's updated footage.

Should no one be able to obtain the cut footage and, on the off chance, decides to recreate the turret cockpit and shoot new footage, I would gladly volunteer my performance expertise as the gunner.
*Cough* Shameless plug for acting work *Cough*

Cade Skywalker said:

Video of the previous scene

Oh and, before you say anything about R2, I noticed it too. :D

I liked how you made the scene feel less like it was shot on green screen, and more in a real, foggy environment.  I did feel like it may have been a little too desaturated though, making the scene look drab with washed out colors.  However, it's possible that the resolution of the youtube video is just not doing it justice.

Wish there was audio. :_(

EDIT:
Gave you a rating btw.

brash_stryker said:

The changes I think need to be made:

Omit the name Skywalker

I'm so so on this.  If a way can be found to keep it, and still have it make sense, I'd prefer that option.  If not, then so be it.

Cut Anakin's whininess/slimyness and generally being an asshole. Existing edits have already proved this is possible

Definitely.

Make his turn more gradual and make it a seduction rather than a calculated decision. The way it is now is just awful.

Agreed.

No Vader in armour. The last we see of Anakin is being defeated on Mustafar.

I've thought a lot about this one.  I'd love to see if the footage of Vader's construction can somehow be included in RotJ in flashback form.  I plan on making my own mock-up of how this could work in the near future, when I get some spare time that is.

EDIT:
Does anyone know of any similar mock-ups that have already been, and if so where to find them?

Never have Padme tell Anakin about the baby. Never have the babies named and never see where they end up.

Probably for the best.  It would be great if someone could, through some FX genius-ness, make Padmé not look pregnant?

EDIT:
Ah crap!  I keep forgetting that the biggest problems with this entire concept are the issue of why Obi-Wan is watching over Luke, and the whole "A young Jedi...who was a pupil of mine...betrayed and murdered your father" fiasco.

Cade Skywalker said:

Funny you mention the color work, because this one was completely untouched. That's why it looked like a "bright color book", just like the rest of RotS does.

Really? Well, "shut me down." I don't know why I thought everything looked like a neon-light.  Maybe I've been playing The Conduit too much.  Yet another reason why I need to re-watch RotS.  Sorry for my mistake.

brash_stryker said:

Scratch the Hayden isn't Anakin idea. My idea now is that he's still Anakin, but never referred to as Skywalker :) Because the name Anakin isn't mentioned until ROTJ this would be no problem in preserving the mystery.

I feel like this topic warrants its own individual thread, no?

Darth Lars said:

There was a deleted scene of just that.

 

Oooo!  Intriguing!  I like!

Ripplin said:

Don't read too much into goofy jokes. ;)

Oh, I wasn't.  I was just trying to build my own goofy joke on top of that. ; )

Darth Chronus said:
I think being 9 when The Phantom Menace came out has something to do with it.

Yeah, I actually still think that TPM, has the best acting out of the entire PT, and even though I didn't mind Jar Jar at the time (I'm myself was 9 as well) I today am angered by him.  Not, so much because he is annoying, but more because of something Ahmed Best said; that Jar Jar reminded him of being a child and feeling like an outcast, and how he was excited to have Jar Jar grow up throughout the movies and become an honorable and respected character.  Did any of this happen?  No!  I think that is tragic.  Now, Jar Jar will forever be the outcast child that nobody likes.  I'm sure there are many of us that can sympathize with that plight, and we should have been able to sympathize with Jar Jar throughout the PT, but Lucas and team botched it.

On a lighter note, I like battle droids, but only TPM battle droids when they talked all monotone and didn't really have emotion, which made them seem like more of a credible threat.  I would like to see them re -dubbed in that fashion.

. . . I just went very off topic didn't I?

Hey everyone, I know that there is not a person here that intends to come off in a "what's in it for me" manner, but please be mindful when making your comments, requests, etc. that this is still an fan-edit, the emphasis being put on the "fan" part.  Adywan is essentially willing this into existence through no means other than his own determination, and I'm sure that is an exhausting experience.

I suffer from chronic migraines that often come about when I've worked myself too hard physically, and every time I think about the amount of sweat Adywan must put himself through to get this done I'm reminded of the very real physical pain that I sometimes put myself through when I have my mind set on something.  . . . and that has actually gotten me sent to the hospital multiple times.

The point I'm trying to make is, let's not make Adywan feel like he has to do so much extra work that he actually ends up working himself to death.  While that may sound a bit dramatic, I couldn't be more serious when I say it.  If Adywan feels that he needs to extend a deadline in order to get everything right, then so be it.  I'd rather have the edit later than expected than not have the edit at all because it was too draining of a task for the man.

Adywan, sorry to go on like that, I admit I'm projecting a bit, but ever since your talk about being ill from working on the models (I don't remember if that's exactly what the problem was) I have been slightly worried that you were making yourself sick by putting more  work in than you could take on a daily basis.

    SilverKey said:

 

    but I hink the music you used sounded a little too much like Lord of the Rings.

Funny, I got that feeling too, but only slightly.  Overall, I have mixed feelings about the edit. I enjoyed and was touched by both the music and the color alterations, which were beautiful; they were just so pleasant to look at.  The problem is that I can't see this fitting in well with RotS.  Though, when I say RotS, I mean Lucas' RotS.  So, the thing that I get unsure about is whether or not I can see them working in an edit that adopts changes like this to the whole film.  I keep asking myself, "Would they work well in that respect, or conflict with the content in terms of story, staging, performance, etc.?"  I'm split 50/50.

    tehwallaby said:

 

    I had a thought, the one thing that needs to be changed the most in the PT is the reveals in the OT. The main one being, Vader is Anakin.

Preaching to the choir my friend.

    SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 

    If an edit *can* seperate the Anakin character from the Vader character (which, by the way, will be no small feat) then when you come to ANH and Obi says "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the emperor hunt down and destroyed the Jedi knights...he betrayed and murdered your father." it simply sounds like Obi-wan is lying to Luke about his father. Luke doesn't know anything about the force, Jedi, Sith or Darth Vader so Obi-wan can get away with this "lie". And then once we get to ESB and ROTJ we learned that Obi-wan was telling Luke this from a certain point of view to protect Luke and to help him learn and grow up as well. At least that's how I see it.

What about lengthening the amount of silence between "How did my father die" and "A young Jedi named Darth Vader..." in order to imply that Obi-Wan has more internal conflict over whether or not to tell Luke?  Something along the lines of: cutting from Obi-Wan looking down in shame after Luke asks the question, to Luke with that curious deer in headlights look, then back to Obi-Wan with his head down, quickly back to Luke, and then to Obi-Wan again for the reveal.

    Cade Skywalker said:

 

    RotS Anakin-Dooku

 

    Another test clip. This one is a little rough: you can slightly hear the original music, but hey, I'm just messing around. :-)

Watched and rated.  I kinda felt that the color work in this one didn't pop like the other did.  Honestly, I didn't feel like color alternation was necessary.  It came off to me as like a bright coloring book, which feels inappropriate for that scene.

I also didn't feel like the music fit.  I have to second what Davnes007 said about the music stealing the stage, and I felt like the only emotional beat that the music acknowledged was the beheading of Dooku; it completely overlooked all the smaller ones that came before that, which the original track does not.

How can you be spoiled by the PT? Would that require first enjoying them?

ben_danger said:

...then maybe seeing a couple of rusty droids in ROTJ:R in his palace would just add an air of rememberance to the whole 1st part of the film, almost like luke is closing the last few loose ends.

I'd love to see this.  I would hope they'd be working units with blaster rifles and not just broken junk in the background.

Davnes007 said:

When Anakin says "Thank you...my master" after given his new 'Darth Vader' name, you can tell he's not entirely happy with Palps.

And, when he says, "Just help me save Padme's life", you can tell (now) that that's all he wants from him.

I will have to re-watch this scene.  It has been so long that I can't be 100% sure as to what it is that takes me out of that scene.  I suspect that it is Hayden's poor delivery of lines such as, "Thanks you...my master," but again I'll have to re-watch that just to be sure.

BarBar Jinkx said:

What if mace still told anakin to not come with, but he ignored them & hoped straight into that speeder as soon as mace & co left

Thumbs up.  I would really like to see a mock-up of this.

ChainsawAsh said:

I think it would work better to cut from "We must move quickly" to Palpatine's office directly.  There's already too many takeoff/landing sequenes in the PT that just aren't necessary, and this is one of them.

I suggest looking at the OT and studying how, when, and how many times take of/landing sequences where used, and try to emulate that feel in RotS.

Davnes007 said:

 

I've uploaded a little re-edit/redux of Anakin's turn to the darkside that I've been tinkering with for the past few days.

I've mostly just tightened up the editing, but I think it works a bit better than Mr. Lucas' version. The one major change is that I TOTALLY cut the scene of Anakin 'thinking' (about wether-or-not to stop Mace Windu), and Padme 'worrying'. Note: The scene of Obi-Wan defeating General Grevious was only cut down to save time for YouTube.

Any-who, I present "Anakin's Turn To The Darkside - Re-Edit".

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVmYXGkP3Q

 

I've watched and rated the video.  Well done.  He's what I have to say:

• Does anyone know if there is a way to alter someone's pronunciation of words in post production?  I'm not talking pitch or tone, but rather phonetics (really wish I could type in IPA right now).  I just never liked Hayden's vowel sounds, like is open/hollow "Oh"s and "Ah's.  I suspect he was trying to establish a link between Anakin's speech patterns and the way James Earl Jones spoke in the OT.  While I commend him for that from an actor's pov (if that's what he was doing), it simply doesn't resonate with me as an audience member.
  
  
• Did you add some extra silence before Palpatine's, "They don't trust you"?  I haven't watched RotS in some time so I don't remember what it was originally like.
  
  
• I would like an establishing shot of Anakin's face right before Palpatine says, "I can feel your anger." It seems more natural, and if it were me I'd want the audience to be reminded of the conflict within Anakin at this point.
  
  
• I love the early cut from Palpatine and Anakin to Obi-Wan.  It leaves me wondering what Anakin is going to do.  That's the way it should have been in the original.
  
  
• Could you rip some Grievous dialogue from "The Clone Wars" to add to the final confrontation with Obi-Wan, just so he doesn't go out like a punk as much?  Every time I see that scene I feel like, "Oh I guess Matthew Wood was ill/out of town the day they decided to include this scene."
  
  
• I actually liked the transition from Grievous vs Obi-Wan to Mace and Anakin.  In the final version could it return to the Obi-Wan vs Grievous fight before transitioning to Mace about to face Palpatine?
  
  
• Again, could we get an establishing shot of Mace's face as he takes in the news about Palpatine before he says, "How do you know this?"  The transition between lines seems to come too quickly.
  
  
• Will Anakin be in that scene where all the Jedi ignite their sabers or will he run in like he did originally?  If the prior, once again I say, establishing shots of his face as he reacts to what Mace and Palpatine are saying to each other.
  
  
• Keeping the "You can't.  He must stand trial" line seems to undermine the awesome transition I talked about earlier.  The one that transitions to Obi-Wan from Palpatine and Anakin.  Actually, I think all of Anakin's attempts to bargain for Palpatine's life undermine it.
  
  
• If you can get that allusion to the RotJ duel to work I think it will be amazing!
  
  
• Uh, I don't think Samuel L. Jackson would approve of the "Wilhelm scream." It kind of undermines Mace's character.
  
  
• The "What have I done" line doesn't have very much power to it when we can't see Anakin actually saying it.
  
  
• Some of the dialogue alterations post Mace's death feel choppy.  I'm just going to assume that's because this is an early edit.
  
  
• I never understood why they made Palpatine's voice sound so bellow-y in that scene around when he is "knighting" Vader.  Can his voice be reverted to the evil cackling Emperor voice we all know and love?
  
  
• I never bought that Anakin willingly went along with Palpatine's plans when the man is acting SO OBVIOUSLY EVIL; saying stuff like "Once more the sith will rule the galaxy."  Palpatine should still be manipulating Anakin by making himself look good and the jedi look evil.  Of course that's if you believe that Anakin actually believes that the Jedi are evil.  The only way I can get through his "I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over" schpeal is by thinking that he doesn't really believe it, and is just trying to save face.
  
  I like the way that you cut the end of Palpatine's speech because he looks so smug and I get the feeling that he's satysfied with himself by the fact that he has made Anakin his slave.
  
  Really, that's the way Lucas should have played Anakin's downfall.  He should have been portrayed as a victim of circumstance, a slave to Palpatine who didn't want to do what he did and only did it because he felt he had no other choice. There shouldn't have been hatred and anger in the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel, but sadness and regret. This would also have made it more believable that Anakin had indeed been a "Good Friend" and "Brother" to Obi-Wan.  He should only have become truly evil after Padmé's death and is transformation into the mechanical monster Darth Vader, not before.
  

EDIT:
Random funny thought I just had:  Do you think the Jedi tell the story of Darth Vader as a form of abstinence education?

Ignore this post.  It's not supposed to be here and I don't think I can delete it.

ben_danger said:

some mockup ideas based along the idea of having the star visable and generating dark/light contrasts.

They seem so . . . extreme, and remind me of "Sin City."

While I don't think they'd be appropriate for Adywan's edits, I can see them working in a few edits I know of that are taking the trilogy in a different direction.  Star Wars: Renascent comes to mind.  In that respect, I'm completely open to them.  Oh yeah, and I do recognize that these are just mock-ups at this point.

EDIT:
On an unrelated note, why are all my post times reading an hour behind what they should?  I have the appropriate time zone selected in my preferences.

EyeShotFirst said:

When I got ANH R I never touched my 2004 dvds again. They are just sitting on a shelf collecting dust.

Ditto

46fleetline said:

well whatever, i never bought into the whole caps means yelling thing when all this nonsense first came out.

I don't think it matters whether or not you "buy" into it.  Society as a whole defines these sort of things, and they are what they are.  That's like saying "I don't buy into that whole yelling fire in a crowded theater thing."

Asteroid-Man said:

Ripplin will get the full quality and 5.1 version to view himself, everyone else get's a crappy quality of the beta version.

Good.  I was worried about people loosing incentive to download the final version after having taken the time to download the beta which may/may not end up having that many differences.  Not that I'm that cynical, I just know that many other people on the nets are.

Ripplin said:

Dibs on the first printed cover! Haha. ;) Seriously, though, you do very well with covers, as has been demonstrated in different threads. I know other faneditors like them as well. (Adywan, for one)

Could anyone provide a link to said cover work?

skyjedi2005 said:

And was take aback at just how Awful Ian Mcdiarmid [is].

There's a difference between bad acting and bad dialogue.

Ady, I left you a question in the The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread.

Don't feel obligated to answer it, but it's there if you end up having the time to check it out. Here's the link.

This is a question for Adywan should he come by and have a few spare seconds to answer it:

As the years go by I find myself liking the OT more and more, and liking the PT less and less.  I remember coming out of seeing RotS for the first time saying to myself "Well, third times a charm" but now I can't stand to watch any of it that's not a lightsaber duel.

As the editor, in your opinion is the PT "salvageable" in the sense that it can be turned into something enjoyable that people will want to watch repeatedly, or is the best we can hope for something that's tolerable, better than what it used to be but not a Miraculous overall improvement?

I will understand if you don't want to comment on this so early, but I figured I'd at least ask.

Asteroid-Man said:

Hey guys sorry I've been REALLY busy. I'm going away on Friday again, so tomorrow I'm gonna send the DVD by express to Ripplin.

I won't be accepting donations until the rough draft is online. Ripplin, please include the readme file in the torrent. It explains the changes that are still to be made. Also since I burned the DVD I've found a lot of new music I might use in places of others. Sorry it's been taking so long!!!

Also my computer might crash soon (apparently I had like four servers running off my computer at once which won't let me defrag and my comp is going rediculously slow!!!) I can't reformat cause I'll lose all my data!!! So I'm gonna make the final corrections once I get feedback so I can render the final video (if adywan could give me his preferences for mpeg that would be awesome!) then I can put it on my hardrive, reformat and then install DVD Architect to make the Menu.

Once the final version is rendered I'll be posting a trailer and then a bunch of 20-40 second spots until the final release (December 25th, 2009 - which also happens to be the last friday of the year). I might also do a soundtrack of the new music and I'll be releasing official DVD covers (which I have already come up with a neat layout for).

Also, does anyone know of any Star Wars Radio shows I could go on to maybe let people know this is happening?

Again, sorry for my absence!!!!

So, is your plan to release a "beta version" of sorts to the public via bit torrent, or am I misunderstanding and this is something that will only go to a select few so they can give feedback?

EyeShotFirst said:

Nope Rogue Squadron 1. for the PC and N64. Rogue Leader was a completely different game than the original. Rogue Leader was an amazing game. I wouldn't have even called it Rogue Squadron simply because it wasn't like the old game as in it was way better and gameplay was top. I am just saying that the gameplay on Rogue Squadron 1 was a complete copy of the gameplay in the first level of shadows of the empire. It was harder to control the speeders of course N64 controllers were good they just weren't built to last LOL. I bought so many N64 controllers I would be rich if I had the money in my pocket right now. I am not the only one who had joystick problems am I?

 

Ah, in that case I know exactly what you mean.

RoccondilRinon said:

Joystick problems *snickers childishly*

Preaching to the choir.

EyeShotFirst said:

Rogue squadron was just a mere copy of what was done on that level.

Really?  I thought the Rogue Squadron battle was much more cinematic as opposed to the SotE version which was more arcady.  Not that one is better than the other mind you, I just wouldn't call one a copy of the other.

...we are talking about "Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader" right?

Docta Nick said:

Marlonius said:

One item I haven't seen mentioned or suggested: it would be great to see the snowspeeder's flaps working through the windows in one or 2 of the cockpit shots. In the model shots, those flaps are moving constantly, but whenever they cut to an interior shot, they don't move at all. I don't know what would be involved in modelling them, but I put it out for consideration.

Cheers,

 

M.

 

 Wow great idea, anything to make the movie mre realistic :D

I concur.

Fascinating.