Davnes007 said:Just wanted to quickly plug my newest epic video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeDZwkB_8MM
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HAHA! Billy Dee Calrissian alone earns the 5 star rating!
Something I just noticed in Adywan's list of corrections...
adywan said:
...140 - The window at the back of Vader's cockpit has been blacked out because there should be no window...
...154 - When Vader spins out of control you can now see stars through his cockpit windows...
Is this a typo?
ben_danger said:as for the clone wars clip, perhaps it would be good if we built up a character soundbank?
Good idea. Someone who is proficient in audio editing would have to set some standards though, to ensure that every clip that's posted is usable.
xDeeMx said:Also, how about editing the Clone Wars series into one or more intermediate movies? This probably won't be done since the show isn't that good but if the good stuff is distilled and compressed into a movie it could be cool.
I'm not sure which "The Clone Wars" you've been watching, but I've been enjoying it quite a bit. There's much more emotional resonance in any one of those episodes than the entire PT put together, save for when Jar Jar is on screen or when battle droids get dialogue.
Example of a fantastic episode: "Rookies"
ChainsawAsh said:Please, no more lightsaber colors - I still advocate for blue and red ONLY in the PT, thus keeping the symbolism of Luke's green one in ROTJ - a new color for a new type of Jedi.
I think of the red Sith sabers similar to the way Sauron is described in the LotR DVD - one eye, one point of view, one ring to rule time all - while the multi-colored sabers of the Jedi represent an open, all embracing mindset.
TMBTM said:Now, I don't know if it was already discussed here, but in a ROTS making of book it is said that in an earlier draft of the script Palpatine tells Vader that a Jedi killed Padme. I think it would works better than "you killed her" because it would emphasis the hate of vader for the Jedi and his submission to his master, instead of letting the audience thinking "hey Vader ,wake up! How can you say in ESB that it's such a cool power when it is the one that made you kill your wife?! "
I feel like that would undermine the idea of "Darth Vader: The Tragic Hero."
I know not everyone here is as Gung Ho about the EU as I am, but I got chills, when I played TFU and heard Proxy say, after having assumed the form of Vader, "I hate being him," and then get the response from Starkiller, "I think he does too."
Darth Vader can't really be "tragic" if he enjoys being on the dark side. He has to hate himself. Yes, you could say it conflicts with his "You don't know the power..." line, but come on, he's lying. He has his own agenda and needs Luke to fulfill that agenda, so he tries lying to him to seduce him.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Rhikter said:
I was okay with the changes made to the Jedi's arrival up until the actual battle began. The transition into the battle feels clumsy, like it didn't deliver on all the anticipation that was building in me as I knew the Jedi were closing in. In order for those changes to feel natural there needs to be a better segue into the Jedi reveal at the coliseum.I think I understand what you're saying. It sucks editing this way with no one there to see what you're doing and what you're up against with the footage available. I don't disagree with you. I'm just not sure what I can do...? Any ideas?
Uh... short of putting the Dooku/Windu dialogue back in, not really. But I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
You could say my purpose on these threads is to inspire creativity, not necessarily be creative myself. ; )
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End all solution to how to fix Star Wars: Put Starkiller in everything. ; )
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Ripplin said:Bingowings said:when R2 rescues him they find a means of alerting the Jedi to their position.
Take the shot of R2 in ESB when he has his little radar thingy up scanning for Luke, flip the shot and recolor/tint it? Then, um...hire Anthony Daniels to say something like 'you've contacted Master Anakin? Wonderful!' Haha.
Anthony Daniels has voiced 3PO in SO MANY different projects I'm sure you could find something to use. Examples that come to mind include "Droids," "Clone Wars," and the new CG series "The Clone Wars."
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Here's a great way to start off the weekend:
Watched and rated
Overall I really liked it. For the first time I actually felt something in my heart when Padmé confesses her love to Anakin!
I was okay with the changes made to the Jedi's arrival up until the actual battle began. The transition into the battle feels clumsy, like it didn't deliver on all the anticipation that was building in me as I knew the Jedi were closing in. In order for those changes to feel natural there needs to be a better segue into the Jedi reveal at the coliseum.
Can we get a smirk out of Nute Gunray? He's pleased by Padmés dilemma, but if it weren't for the chuckle I don't think we'd have any clue.
Can there be a little bit of dialogue distributed throughout the battle with the droids, just to break up the action? Assuming there is any acceptable dialogue to draw from.
Also, can something be done about strange Jedi girl at 6:21 who doesn't look like she "really" swinging at anything?
Another thought I just had about Padmé and Anakin: I like the idea of, after Padmé has finally confessed her love for Anakin, he's waited so long to hear these words and fantasized about this moment so much in his head, he has no idea what to say now that it's actually happened. Speechless.
Bingowings said:Nice to see poor Threepio with his dignity maintained too.
Agreed. I think that after 3PO get's his head knocked off we should not see him again until R2 his putting him back together.
Davnes007 said:I just wanted to pop in, and plug a quick video I made - "Gui-Gon Gets Mad".
(read the description before telling me you're confused)
Watched and rated.
Ha! Love it.
Enjoy how you incorporate your opening text "in-universe"
Darksaber said:Can't believe the cheek of some of you guys, Ady's been working his bollocks off for the past 3 years correcting and improving these films, doing the same work, Lucas employs a company to do, or should I say should have done, and you bloody moan that he's having a break from them for a while.
For christ sake give the guy a break, does he have to post every single thing he does in a day? I think not!
Moaning about it won't make Ady work any faster!
Just wanted to clarify, I wasn't trying to contribute to the drama with my last post, I really was worried that maybe Adywan had been in an accident or died.
It happened once with a guy who was developing his own SNES inspired remake of Ocarina of Time. He had his own thread for the project, and then he didn't post for a very long time. People started to get riled up and rude, and it went on that way until a relative of the guy made a post using his account explaining that he had been killed in a car accident and the project was canceled.
Peregrinus said:Rhikter said:Bingowings said:
If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?
That's because, in the EU, not all of the clones went along with Order 66, and the clone program turned out to be a failure.
I know about the first part of that. I've read Karen Traviss' books. But where do you get the second part? We just know that most "civilised" people in the galaxy disapprove of it -- but there's plenty of stuff that indicates the Emperor kept right on doing it in secret.
Sorry, I'll clarify. The clone project was a failure from Palpatine's POV. He started to get paranoid about the clones betraying him, so he had the program discontinued and that's when the Empire started recruiting and training its personnel.
I read it on Wookiepedia once. Maybe I'll see if I can find and post the exact quote later. I won't right now though, because it's late where I am.
Well, he's not dead thank god: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Renascent-WORK-COPY-AVAILABLE-FOR-DOWNLOAD/post/370165/#post370165
Bingowings said:
If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?
That's because, in the EU, not all of the clones went along with Order 66, and the clone program turned out to be a failure.
Peregrinus said:And yes, I'm an aspiring member of the 501st. :)
Ooo. What's that like?
•No use of the word "Darth" until Vader takes it (not bestowed).
Aww, c'mon. : D
Peregrinus said:"The Phantom Menace" is a pretty feeble title.
What makes you say that?
• Qui-Gon, Anakin, Bail Organa, Padmé, Palpatine, Asajj, Dooku, Mace, Cliegg, Owen, Beru, Shmi, C-3PO, R2-D2 all introduced.
Why no Maul?
PROPOSED TIMELINE:
Act I -- Bail arries @ Naboo to bring Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to Coruscant, Queen stubbornly insists on coming with, dialogue and visual aids establish Republic, Jedi, Core vs. Expansion and Rim regions, Separatist movement, etc. Chancellor has asked for a few of the best and brightest Jedi to help figure what to do about the Separatists.
Act II -- Tantive IV and Royal Starship leave Naboo, ambushed by Asajj, have to divert to Tatooine, moisture farmers come to their aid (Owen & Anakin), Anakin's backstory established, he is smitten with Padmé, Obi-Wan wants to train him as a Jedi. Asajj finds them, there's a groud fight, she's driven off, Anakin announces he's leaving. Cliegg and Owen disapprove.
Act III -- Asajj and a couple other ships get the jump on them as they arrive at Coruscant, Royal Starship badly damaged, smaller craft jettison, planetary defense forces scramble to assist, Mace Windu shows up to help, Asajj bails, remaining craft destroyed.
Coda -- Everyone gathers in the Chancellor's office, Mandalorian ships were among those destroyed, Asajj is presumed to be Sith, Jedi worry what it means if the Sith and Mandalorians are involved and this bold, Anakin formally becomes Obi-Wan's apprentice, Padmé is proud and says she'll wait for him to finish his training, Jedi are rallied and movie ends on a cautious but hopeful note.
I would say, "Talk about wishful thinking," but I think you're well aware of that. : )
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Also, if it's OK, might I have a go at my own version...?
I don't see why not.
HaHa! Sorry, I honestly forgot what thread I was posting to.
oh_riginal said:Then you should like the mock-up I did. It was such an easy edit, it's ridiculous! On youtube, there's a big description in the details of the video that explain all the re-editing I did.
Watched and rated.
Very good. I miss Dooku's dejected sigh after he pushes Anakin away. I felt that little quirk added so much more depth to his character than any other typical, cliché, evil sith lord. It feel like there was something left of the Jedi he once was, something that pains him whenever he does these terrible things, even if he may think he's doing the right thing. It made me think that, deep down he's a tired old man who would prefer to retire and live in solitude.
Davnes007 said:
It took a while, but I think you might enjoy it. It's only 5 minutes, but totally worth it, IMO.
Watched and rated.
Wonderful work. A fantastic mock-up. I really hope Adywan sees and considers this, and not just because I got a credit (Thank you by the way).
theslime said:
There should be at least one instance where Palps refers to his new apprentice Vader by name, so we could put that line earlier in the film.
Incorporate the "Lord Vader ... Rise" dialogue into Anakin's dream. Use EyeShotFirst's lightsaber on Padmé idea (below) then cut to black and we hear:
"Lord Vader?"
"Yes Master."
"Rise."
Then Anakin wakes up is a cold sweat.
EyeShotFirst said:
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Bingowings said:You could even redub Grievous so he claims to have been a former pupil of Obi-Wan (after training Anakin he might have had another Padwan).
Dibs on the voice over! Lol.
Cade Skywalker said:Some Geonosis work-in-progress screens:
I get the feeling I might have gone too far with this one, but the more scenes I go through, the more I realize just how wrong they feel.
Would you mind showing us what this sharpening technique looks like when applied to scenes from the OT?
oh_riginal said:However, the AOTC duel, as short as it is, feels overbearingly long when it gets to the silly looking close-ups of Anakin and Dooku twirling the lightsabers above their heads, not even looking like they are clashing sabers, even though we are supposed to think they are.
Ha! I'm so glad you brought that up. I've never mentioned it to anyone, but I've always thought that part of the duel looked ridiculous.
fishmanlee said:hans olof said:One question: In this 1980 cartoon (which is based on the original script), Luke screams "NEVER!!!" when he falls from Darth Vader when he tries to get him over to the dark side. Was the SE- scream from 1997 closer to the original script than we thought?
i made a mockup of that awhile ago it didnt get a very positive response (in other words it didnt work)
it is here
Watched and rated. I thought it was well edited, but prefer there being no words between Vader and Luke, only eye contact, before Luke decides to let himself fall. We don't need words to know that the subtext of that scene is "Not a chance in hell!"
Cade Skywalker said:Some Geonosis work-in-progress screens:
I get the feeling I might have gone too far with this one, but the more scenes I go through, the more I realize just how wrong they feel.
Omg, man, you just keep blowing my mind. I feel like I could actually touch those battledroids. They don't look so much like they came from a PS2 cutscene anymore.
Yeah, Dooku definitely looks better in black.
Am I the only one that thinks the lighting looks "too" perfect? It looks like it was shot on a set where they had full control of the lighting, and not like it was shot on a barren planet like Geonosis. The light feels "cool' not "hot." Don't get me wrong, I know that with any film production you can't just leave the lighting up to mother nature. I just look at these and don't believe they're on Geonosis; rather a sound stage set that looks like Geonisis. Still, that's much better than it looking like they're in front of a green-screen that looks like Geonisis, haha.
mrbenja0618 said:Rhikter said:Cade Skywalker said:
Some screenies for you (and whoever doesn't want to download a 50MB video)
Wow, those are amazing. Is that the kind of stuff you can get out of a regular DVD?
Cade Skywalker said:EyeShotFirst said:Your palpatine colour correction makes it more convincing that his ROTJ state was caused by aging and living off of his dark side powers. Way to go.
Yes, that was a nice touch in AotC, but it's all for nothing when you see RotS's young and shiny Palpatine...
Yeah, a shame about that.
mrbenja0618 said:Yeah, the first episode was done. I was working on DVD menu's and of course the storybook edition which I felt was going to be interesting for some to see. But yeah, it crashed, and I lost it all. Once my passion for kicks back in, I'll have another go at it... Unless Info and TJ take another stab at it.
Do you still have the hard drive? You might be able to recover the information using Knoppix.
That's interesting. I've never tried it. Not sure it would work for what I would need it to do. How does it work?
It's a Linux based operating system that you burn to and boot from a CD. Once it's up and running you should be able to navigate just the way you would if you were running Windows (I don't know if it works with Mac hard drives. I've never tried it.) There are a few minor, quirky differences though, mainly in the functionality of right and left clicks, but nothing that you can't get used to very quickly. You could just click and drag everything to an external hard drive.
Cade Skywalker said:
Some screenies for you (and whoever doesn't want to download a 50MB video)
Wow, those are amazing. Is that the kind of stuff you can get out of a regular DVD?
Cade Skywalker said:EyeShotFirst said:Your palpatine colour correction makes it more convincing that his ROTJ state was caused by aging and living off of his dark side powers. Way to go.
Yes, that was a nice touch in AotC, but it's all for nothing when you see RotS's young and shiny Palpatine...
Yeah, a shame about that.
mrbenja0618 said:Yeah, the first episode was done. I was working on DVD menu's and of course the storybook edition which I felt was going to be interesting for some to see. But yeah, it crashed, and I lost it all. Once my passion for kicks back in, I'll have another go at it... Unless Info and TJ take another stab at it.
Do you still have the hard drive? You might be able to recover the information using Knoppix.
Cade Skywalker said:I would have uploaded this to YouTube but this time I also applied a sharpening filter (with moderate settings, I hope), since it was bugging me to see that the whole movie was just blurry for no reason. It's a 2500kbps MP4, that way you'll be able to notice the sharpening and the details.
Is this the same split screen you posted earlier? I have satellite internet with a low download speed and a bandwidth cap, so I'd rather not download this if I don't have to. I hate to ignore someone's hard work, but do you think I'd be alright without seeing it?
ben_danger said:
what if we could play on owens line 'he died about the same time as your father'
perhaps we never see either of them return from the fight. ben's reveal in ANH could allow the audience to begin questioning all the information that luke is told. perhaps even cutting his birth could allow us to question his relation to anakin until obi wan explains.
I sense great potential in this idea.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
BUT we ARE talking about radical edits here... :D
The more I talk about RotS with people, the more I get the feeling that we are indeed talking about a "radical" edit.
Sluggo said:If anyone feels the need to add any unnecessary ships to the scene, it ought to be the Slave 1 and not a star destroyer. And then, I still wouldn't do it. Wrecks the surprise.
I don't think it was added in with the intention of being serious. Just a little Easter egg to get a chuckle out of everyone. Though I could dig adding Slave I to the background of ships over Cloud City à la The Outrider in ANH: SE.
Cade Skywalker said:As requested, split screen and audio.
Watched and rated. Definitely preferred the changes.
RoccondilRinon said:
Obi-Wan must appear to kill Anakin on Mustafar, or at least leave him to die. Vader should then show up in his suit and attack the Temple
Do it Pulp Fiction style and have the chronology of events obscured, only to be truly revealed in RotJ. Lol!
Seriously though, I like this idea (yours Rinon, not mine); making Anakin's defeat a mid-film climax rather than end-film.
EyeShotFirst said:
Just not Anikan becoming Vader. When Anikan is burning in the fires of Mustafar let him close his eyes then have an establishing shot with sad music and take it from there.
I was just thinking about doing something similar: After Obi-Wan dismembers Anakin, do not show any movement in his torso. Make him look limp and lifeless to imply he is dead. Then, still not moving, the immolation begins and seals the deal. Even though we all know he isn't dead, to a newcomer it should seem very convincing.
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It would also lend more credibility to Obi-Wan's decision to not finish him off, which doesn't make much sense in RotS when "Lord Vader" is still so obviously alive. And I don't believe that Obi-Wan did that because he couldn't bear to bring himself to once again attack his "brother." He's a Jedi Master and should have been able to recognize that Anakin isn't Anakin anymore. If anything, he should have been compelled to finish him off so that his "brother" wouldn't suffer such a horrible death. Yet another example of something that was done merely because it has to lead into the OT and not because it makes sense for the films' characters to do.
EyeShotFirst said:It won't be hard to pull off neither. We just need someone who has a vader suit.
Just be sure that you get someone with a suit that has an appropriate looking headpiece. I notice that, all too often, even the best of Darth Vader costumes have a mask that looks wrong when compared to the films. The mouth area breathing apparatus seems to protrude to far.
RoccondilRinon said:The other thing I'm thinking is, if we use Ringo's suggestion, I'd still like to see the immolation and the Vader-suiting-up, in a ROTJ edit as flashbacks to complement Obi's exposition.
This is similar to what I plan on doing with my RotJ mock-up.
Davnes007 said:The Golden Idol said:How do you know this?
He felt it.
Anyway, here's a 'quick' little video I just made that has that clip in it, as-well-as a couple of other crazy, wacky, and odd ideas. Set your faces to 'stunned'.
Watched and rated.
Loved it.
Haha! Star Destroyer!
