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#62048
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"And these blast points,
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62048/action/topic#62048
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Originally posted by: Darth ChaltabWhat is wrong with being a drunk BEFORE he was born agian? Now he's the leader of the free world.


Such a pity then that the free world he 'leads' does not get a say in the election/(appointment) of its 'leader'.



Slightly back on topic:
Here's the real reason that the Stormtroopers are such bad shots.
They were out getting wasted when they should have been reporting for duty.

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#61856
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Star Wars Behind The Magic DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61856/action/topic#61856
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OUCH!

How many times do I have to tell people? Once again, no matter how inviting it may seem, the top of the ladder is not the best place for an afternoon nap.

When you're all recouperated let me know how this project goes as I'm totally up for finally watching this disc.

While you rest up, I recommend you watch Takeshi Kitano's "Zatoichi", or any of 'Beat' Kitano's films really.
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#61735
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61735/action/topic#61735
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Cameron's point was that the future is not written, however 'the future' did not begin until Connor and SkyNet quit screwing around with time travel.

I'm glad he threw away the concept of the bright and happy changed future as it, and T3 does this, destroyed the idea of the causal loop which was started when Terminator and Kyle showed up in 1984 and ended in 2029 with them being sent back. The same loop applies to the T-1000 and T-800 of T2 their actions in the past cause the events which have always taken place in that time because they were sent back from the future.

There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves refers to the fated events that must take place before the unwritten future can arrive.

When T3 rolled around Judgement Day had been moved from 1997 to 2004 for reasons of convenience, thus the causal loop was abandoned by mediocre screenwriters with no concept of the physics and philosophy of time travel and a director who cared more about the explosions than the subtext. And so we have a film where people who will be important actually get wiped out which results in a time paradox where the next time the future arrives those people will not be important enough to warrant a T-X beingh sent back to kill them and so they will not be killed and so they will grow to become important and so a T-X will have to go back to kill them and so forth.

A constantly changing future is an acceptable theorem of the effects of time travel but not when the rules of the Terminator universe had already established an unchanging future, as you Jimbo have pointed out. I talked more about this on page 5 of this thread.

Then we have the whole matter of Sarah dying of Leukemia just because they couldn't get Linda Hamilton back, lame and nasty.

T3 is a passable action film which, even without its connection to the Terminator saga would still have too many plot holes thanks to cut-throat editing.

If you like explosions, oneliners, a Leslie Nielsen Terminator and butch looking women then T3 is for you.

If you have a heart and mind and the ability to wrap your head around an oroborus plot where there is no beginning or end then James Cameron's Terminator duet is for you.
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#61423
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NNNOOOOOOOOO... not Ash...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61423/action/topic#61423
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
You hit the proverbial nail on the head, RM. I concur on Riddick, but I would also add Babe: Pig in the City and X2. Both films move further into the previously existing universe and develop characters in new directions. Babe: PitC is also a much darker film than its predecessor, and all the better for it.


I have not seen either Babe: Pig In The City or X2 as yet but both films seem to have been given rave reviews from various people I have spoken to so I may have to check them out.

Side note: When the original Babe was shooting here in Sydney my ex and I had the distinguished honour of sitting behind James Cromwell, Mr Zefram Cochrane himself, in the Academy Twin Cinema when I was seeing some film. Actually he sat in front of me and he is not a short man, then he realised that he was blocking our view and he moved over a few seats to the left. Nice guy, I forget what the film was, it was a comedy and he laughed. *true story* heh.

That's what I really like about Sydney, we don't care who you are or how famous, just so long as you don't block our view at the movies.

EDIT: On the subject of Versus films, the new Toho Godzilla film, from the director of VERSUS, will (reportedly) have a battle that takes place here in Sydney between the Toho Godzilla and the Sony Tristar 'Notzilla'. I can't wait.
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#61016
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NNNOOOOOOOOO... not Ash...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61016/action/topic#61016
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
sequels tsk tsk tsk will they ever learn!!!!!!!!


In theory sequels make very good business sense.

Established characters/situations, reusable sets/props, brand recognition in the marketplace allowing for merchandising tie-ins and product placement, built-in audience demand to see 'the same thing again but different' or 'the continuing adventures of', less risk of the unknown quantity and they often require less initial outlay.

However, most sequels suck because they are just pumped out for a quick return with no thought put into the final product.

Intelligent sequels are few and far between and that's why the list of good sequels is small, almost always the same and grows ever so slowly.

The list generally goes: The Godfather II, Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior, The Empire Strikes Back, Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan, Aliens, Evil Dead 2: Dead By Dawn, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, Blade II and now Spider-Man 2 and Riddick

These sequels are considered better than the originals because they take the characters from the originals and develop them further by putting them in different and more interesting situations, increasing what's at stake and making the audience realise why the characters were so popular in the first place that their further adventures warranted a sequel.

I add Riddick to that list as it is a brave sequel that decides to switch genres from it's predecessor, that and I really like it.

When bad sequels are profitable you have only the audience to blame if more get made.
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#61002
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Ideas: Re-edits for various movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61002/action/topic#61002
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Originally posted by: Windexed
I just thought of something. What if you edited "Weekend at Bernie's" and "Weekend at Bernie's 2" together into one huge Weekend at Bernie's extravaganza?


Those films are 'perfect' the way they are.

Although in all seriousness I do LOVE both films and I was really hoping they'd make a third one reuniting Jonathan Silverman, Andrew McCarthy and Terry Kiser. Silverman once joked that the premise should be that Bernie Lomax's corpse somehow gets elected President and the two of them have to continue the illusion that Bernie is still alive using putty, makeup and so on. Meanwhile a deranged assassin is trying unsuccessfully to kill President Lomax.

Obviously he was kidding, but I'd still watch it.
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#60887
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Bringing back Futurama
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60887/action/topic#60887
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I LOOOOOVE Futurama!!!

I own the lot on DVD, bought the four boxsets for $27 each a few months back when JB was having a sale and I'm still working my way through them.

Channel 7 screwed the show over here as badly as Fox did over there so I never really watched them when they were on TV.

I demand a new series, or at least a DTDVD feature.

Zoidberg is my personal favourite character but the pair of Zapp and Kif are a close second.

I just can't go past this great quote: "I like your style, Fry - you remind me of a young me, not much younger mind you, perhaps even a couple years older."

Heh.

More... MORE... MMMMOOOOORRRRREEEE!!!!!!

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#60861
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60861/action/topic#60861
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Originally posted by: jimbo

By that logic so was Terminator 2. The first Termintor could have easily excisted without any sequal.


That's certainly a true statement, I will not argue with you on that. But T2, unlike T3, supported and built upon what had come before rather than ignoring and destroying dates, themes, personality, mood and style of it's predecessor.

T2 exists alongside T1 in a way that T3 didn't even try to.

And therefore it is an inferior product.

It got the job done for a lot of people, like you obviously, but it is not the work of a master craftsman and will not be fondly remembered/studied in years to come. T2 is very much a sequel made to take advantage of current technological advancement in CGI effects and to appease the sequel hungry fanbase and Schwarzenegger's personal ego but it is also a modern classic.

T3 is nothing more than a soulless summer blockbuster, cynically designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, to reap more than was sewn, by sewing very little and marketed to high disposable income teens and 'tweens' who weren't even alive when T1 was in the cinemas.

Plus Arnie got his Cameron approved $30 Million dollar payday and the most free and legal political campaign advertising anyone has ever seen.
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#60697
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60697/action/topic#60697
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T3 is a brainless action exploitation flick made solely for brand/actor recognition and product marketing purposes. I'm not going to even deign to discuss it. It's not worthy of thought.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
The police screen says he is ten years old. He was born in 1985. So Terminator 2 takes place in 1995. So the three year thing makes no sense.


Officer Joe 'Lucky' Austin's dashboard computer screen read-out lists John Connor's birthdate as 02-28-85 and nothing more about it, not his age or the current date. The year is open to interpretation, at least it was until Cameron mentioned that the film is set around the end of 1994 and the beginning of 1995. So three years to half way through 1997 makes perfect sense.
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#60693
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60693/action/topic#60693
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Originally posted by: jimbo
First of all you can't critizes Terminator 3 for its screwed up dates. All three movies have screwed up dates

1. The cop mentions the date is Thursday May 12. May 12 1984 was a Saturday.


James Cameron wrote The Terminator in 1983 for a same year release, however producer Dino de Laurentiis had Schwarzenegger held to contract to film Conan The Destroyer in the intervening time so Cameron used that time to write Aliens and Rambo II while working on the storyboards for Terminator thus making the film a better work of art in the final product. The studio, Hemdale, decided that 1984 would be more current than setting a film in the previous year.

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2. Terminator 2 takes place in 1995. The Terminator mentions Judgement Day happens in 1997. Three years from now. Do the math


On the T2 Extreme DVD James Cameron mentions that T2 is set in the summer of 1994/1995. The beginning of 1995 plus 1995, 1996 and 1997 until August equals three years, not exactly but more or less.

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3. It mentions John Connor was 13 in Terminator 2 and also uses three year period between 1995 and 1997.


John was nine or ten in T2. Not thirteen.
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#60691
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60691/action/topic#60691
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I posted this in the other thread right before it got back on topic was so it may have been overlooked but this is one of the reasons I find T3 to be so inconsistent with the James Cameron Terminator films.

Changing the past is impossible.

Time Travel.

The time-theory at work in the first two Terminator films is the very antithesis of the "No Fate" credo. And I'm quite certain that James Cameron was being intentionally ironic in leading his characters to believe that they could avert their fates.

T1 and T2 both operate as a causality loop brought about by a predestination paradox.

I'm not going to attempt to reconcile the events of T3 with The Terminator and T2 because T3 breaks the series' internal logic and time loop theory as laid down by James Cameron with the simple fact that it has moved Judgement Day. That isn't possible in James Cameron's Terminator films as the past cannot be altered only caused.

I'll explain why.

The great irony of the first two films is that as much as the characters would like to believe that "the future is not set" they are wrong.

Cameron's causal loop begins in T1 with the arrival of Terminator and Kyle Reese. Looking at the timeline from a linear and objective standpoint things progress as normal until 1984 when suddenly two travellers, or chrononauts, from 2029 show up.

There was no 'original' and alternate timeline where someone other than Kyle Reese was John's father. There is only the one timeline, the one they're in, and when that timeline hit 1984, these two chrononauts simply show up having been displaced from 2029. The events of the first film take place and Sarah Connor is impregnated, Kyle is killed and the Terminator is destroyed. Then the microprocessor chassis is recovered from the Cyberdyne factory floor and the research into neural-net computers begins, Cyberdyne builds an empire and secures defense contracts including the SkyNet program for SACNORAD. Meanwhile Sarah goes into hiding and gives birth to John who will grow up to one day lead the human resistance to victory against the machines.

The damaged T-800 chip left at the Cyberdyne factory was always the genesis for neural-net processors. Kyle Reese was always John Connor's father and Judgement Day was always August 29th 1997.

Time travel in this universe cannot change the past it can only cause it. Travellers to the past become the cause for events whose effects have always been.

In the T2 Extreme DVD Cameron states that this concept of effect coming before cause, a popular conception of time travel in metaphysical circles, was his intention with both films. The causal loop prohibits change to the past because the traveller travels to their own past. Their OWN past. THE past. The past that has already occurred.

Since the past has already occurred any travel to the past has already occurred. Any 'changes' made by the traveller have already occurred and so the traveller can have no effect on the past.

In T2 (script) we learn that SkyNet has sent a new model Terminator right after it sent the first one, or possibly right before, just before the rebels took out the Cheyenne Mountain SkyNet mainframe and stormed the L.A. based complex.

So the forty-five year old John Connor of 2029 chooses and sends a specific CSM101 T-800 back through time because he remembers its brutal features and the events of 1994 when he was a ten year old kid. He is doing that which he was always going to do. It was predestined, the future may not be set but for adult John meddling with time travel means that it's not over even when it's over. He's caught, not irrevocably, in a causality loop. For his forty-five year old self the unknown future has only just begun.

The Terminator he met when he was a ten year old kid was sent back through time BECAUSE he remembered meeting it when he was a kid, he sent it because he had to, because it had always been sent. The Terminator that he sends was always sent to the past to stop the T-1000 and it always stops the T-1000 from killing young John.

SkyNet should really know better, it should realise that it cannot change the past because the past has happened and it wasn't changed. Sending something back in order to stop something which has happened from happening in this universe is a futile effort. There can be no changes to the timeline only effects whose causes are yet to happen.

Because John is alive and giving SkyNet hell in 2029 his past is safe because he is alive. John knows that when he sends Kyle to 1984 his comrade will become his father, he knows this because his mother told him. Both he and SkyNet are using the Time Displacement Equipment to bring about the causes for events which have already happened. SkyNet has to send the CSM 101 T-800 Terminator to 1984 because there was a CSM 101 T-800 Terminator that arrived in 1984. It failed, but it still had to be sent because it had already arrived, as evidenced by the existing order of past events, aka history. John has to send Kyle because Kyle is his dad.

Apart from Dyson's death in T2 neither the T-1000 nor John's pet Terminator have much effect on the timeline, rather intentionally from Cameron's P.O.V. I'd wager. But since Both CSM101 T-800s, Kyle and the T-1000 all come from a 2029 where Judgement Day occurred, and have all travelled to their own past, aka THE past, the past of their future, that means that Dyson always died in this way on that day in an explosion at the Cyberdyne building.

Unfortunately for his family, his death, although it was always destined to occur the way it did, was a futile death as SkyNet still bombed the world to hell on August 29th 1997.

T3 messes with this timeline. Not just by delaying the date of Judgement Day but whereas in the T2 Extreme DVD commentary Cameron states that T2 takes place at the beginning of 1994 while T3 tries to convince us that John Connor was 13 during the events of the film.

T3 changes the timeline and the very physics laid down in the previous two films by the creator, ("all hail the mighty Jim"), and in order to be consistent you must play by the rules. T3 plays by its own rules and is at odds with the two REAL Terminator films.

This also applies to the changed future coda in the T2 special edition, since the past cannot be changed and everything before the timetravellers began their chronoportation sequences is consideredd the past for them, the 'unwritten future' only truly begins when John finally defeats SkyNet in 2029.
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#60648
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60648/action/topic#60648
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The Terminator is a love story as much as it is a story about killer cyborgs from the future.
It's the story of a young woman who learns to deal with the greatest resposibility of all, namely being the mother of the future and a chronoported soldier who learns that there's more to life than death and fighting. On top of this it's also the story of an unstoppable machine bent on assassination.

Terminator 2 is the story of a kid coming of age and reconciling his relationship with his mother and of an unstoppable machine protector who learns the value of human life and begins to experience real emotions. On top of this the characters are being chased by one of the best narrative excuses for a villainous special effect yet devised.

T3 is explosions, oneliners, bad CGI and contradictory and incoherent storytelling. It's in every way an emotionally and intellectually empty vessel and is representative of all that is bad about Hollywood's big summer blockbuster films.
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#60643
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MY Ultimate/Final/Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60643/action/topic#60643
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
Boba Fett (bounty hunter) + Han Solo (smuggler with large bounty on his head) = 'why Fett was somewhat "obsessed" with Solo'

Han refers early in tESB about 'that run in with the bounty hunter on Ord Mantell' I'm assuming that between A New Hope and TESB , Han had a few encounters with bounty hunters including Boba Fett. Do we really need any more backstory on such a minor insignificant character in the series? I never quite understood the fascination with Boba Fett, when you consider his mininmal on-screen contributions to the series he is no where near the intergalactic badass that the fanboys think he is,


The cool thing about being introduced to Boba in 1980 was that he had the audacity to talk back to to Vader:
"No disitegrations"
"...As you wish."
This guy was ballsy! He just sassed Vader. Cooool.

What wasn't to like? His take no poodoo 'tude, his cool costume and his cool voice... (which has now changed to "Es yoi wush" "His no gud ti me did" Gah!)

When I was a kid Boba Fett was one badass dude. Now he's just some bloody nerfherding sheepfucker. No offense to my Kiwi neighbours across the Tasman, I'm just muckin with ya, you guys are alright.

In an attempt to pander to the Fett-fans, hoping they'd gloss over the various ruinations of the 1997 versions, Boba was made far too prominent for my liking in the SE films. He's like the galactic 'Where's Waldo?' Look there he is, now he's there, look over behind that tree. what was that eighties cartoon that had the multicoloured imp that would hide in the background of each episode and had to be found? Was it She-Ra? Anyway he's like that now.

Lucas never understood what made Fett cool and he decided to destroy the character on his second outing so the fans resurrected him and gave him a backstory which The Beard promptly ignored in favour of this bullcrap PT origin.

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- his only contribution in Empire was following the Falcon to Bespin and leading the Empirials to Cloud city, Vader and his troops did the rest , then Boba Fett acted as a courier service delivering Han to Jabba, even Greedo could have done that!


Heh. What are you talking about? Greedo couldn't hit a guy sitting at a table across from him, how's he going to deliver a package?

"Gukhh Guhhh Gkuhh... wheeze... Here's your package Mr. Hutt!!!"
"Dooo!! My name is the return address, you senseless dunderpate."
*Jabba gives Greedo a chance to get a shot off, the 'Bounty Hunter' misses the GIANT HUTT by a few hundred parsecs and falls down into the Rancor pit.*
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#60501
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AVP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60501/action/topic#60501
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While I'm not the world's biggest fan of Paul WS Anderson, I am quite sure that the DVD version of AVP will be an entirely different animal than the film that was recently slopped onto the cinemascreens. I believe that the film is still being worked on in adverse conditions and I can sympathise with his plight.

It still won't be Andseron's 'director's cut'. Such a thing is not possible as a director as low down on the totem as he is would not be allowed final cut by most major studios let alone the grubby-handed execs at TwenCenFox.

I can understand why targeted release dates are immovable objects for marketing campaign purposes but I fail to see why Fox went out of their way at every step of the process to see this thing fail. That includes the hiring of the chosen 'talent' and approval of the final script to lowered budget and very tight shooting schedule right up to the hacking in the editing bay.

It's like they had a point they wanted to prove or something.

I think they proved it, the point was that they're hamfisted arseholes.
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#60485
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60485/action/topic#60485
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Originally posted by: jimbo
The "Clone Wars" are the name of the battles between the Republic and the Confederacy. Just because clones are still used doesn't make these the clone wars. Whether they were originally meant to be clones is irrelevent. Point is now they are clones.


It's entirely relevent, twenty years after the fact some rich fat twat decides that he can't be bothered reconciling the PT events to match the OT films so he changes the OT films to match the PT events. Lazy film making and poor storytelling. The StormTroopers weren't clones when I saw them in the theatres twenty-something years ago and they're not clones now. Period.

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I want an explaination of why Leia wasn't afraid of Luke in stormtrooper costume if they weren't clones.


She didn't fear Vader or Tarkin much either, if you actually watch the film you notice that she's a pretty fascetious and headstong little minx. She was on death row and the sight of a shorter than usual trooper amused her, it was gallows humor. She had nothing left to lose and she wasn't going out on her knees like a little bitch.
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#60469
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I have lost all hope in humanity!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60469/action/topic#60469
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I remember seeing on TV these bizarre devices that would avoid your car being stolen: flmae throwers at both sides of the car, a huge blade under the car that would slice the thief's legs, smoke and eletric shocks...


Wasn't that the ad with John Glover in in RocoCop 2? My personal favourite, directed by the Kersh. "Beeehaaave yourselves!!!!" Heh.

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But there's really one thing that can stop carjackings all over the world: fighting unemployment and crime.


Ahh the last of the idealists.

Current power structures have no interest in solving these problems only in disenfranchising them further, after all where is their power? What campaign contributions have the poor and the unemployed made lately?

To achieve true equity the kind only written and dreamed about would involve a massive shift away from exploitative capitalism in the global marketplace and a dissolution of the elite 'haves' in order to solve the problems of the 'have-nots'.

I like to think I'm a fairly Marxist guy and as "Bolshevy" as they come without living on the street but unfortunately I just don't see it happening. Democratic communism works in theory, but the theory doesn't factor in the general crappiness of human nature.

The future is looking pretty dystopic from where I sit, Fritz Lang and George Orwell were spot on. Corporatisation of the Governments will result in the 'have-mores' and the dead.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride down.
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#60438
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60438/action/topic#60438
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I was bummed that Kane Hodder was unceremoniously tossed aside for FVJ when for the last decade he was the only person keeping the flame alive.

Englund vs Hodder would have meant something more than just Englund vs some random stunt guy.

As to Mostow there's a great quote in Tim Burton's Ed Wood where Martin Landau's Bela Lugosi is mouthing off about Boris Karloff. Just change Karloff to Mostow and you have my opinion of that director.