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#64911
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An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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ROTJ is WAAAAAAYYYYY better than AOTC.

Luke... help me take this mask off.

But you'll die.

Nothing... can stop that... now. Just for once... let me... look on you... with... my own eyes.

I got weepy during Vader's unmasking and death in 1983 and I still do now.

AOTC made me feel nothing, unless you count boredom.

See Jimbo? Just because you only know about nine people doesn't mean that they're a surveyable group for your bogus statistics.
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#64910
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
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Your impressed they aren't Computer Generated. Go figure.


im impressed your not computer generated.....
i would definatly be impressed if you were a living human being...
but that's just impossible....

even for a computer!
(that one's for you ricarleite)


That little exchange reminds me of that Dirty Harry-esque cop show in The Simpsons.

Chief: "You're off the case MacGarnicle!"
MacGarnicle: "You're off YOUR case Chief!"
Chief: "... What does that mean, exactly?"
Homer (watching): "It means he gets RESULTS, you stupid chief!!"



By the way I also have trouble believing that Jimbo's not computer generated.
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#64890
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2001: A Space Odyssey Special edition with CGI
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Originally posted by: Warbler
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac

Attempting to explain the last scenes of 2001 is fruitless as Clarke said that anyone who says thay understand what it means is wrong because neither he nor Kubrick were really sure. I believe that it means what it says it means and that Dave has entered the transfinite. But what do I know?


but how could Clarke not know? He wrote the thing! Are telling me he wrote somthing that he couldn't understand? That does not make sense (IMHO).


Well Arthur C. Clarke wrote the original short story "The Sentinel", (good little story you should read it), and then the two of them, Kubrick and Clarke, collaborated on the screenplay. The original version of the screenplay actually ends before Dave's journey even begins the rest was pure Kubrick.

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"2001 reflects about ninety percent on the imagination of Kubrick, about five percent on the genius of the special effects people, and perhaps five percent on my contribution.” Clarke, Report on Planet Three, p. 224.


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"Soon after the movie was released, and the first cries of bafflement were being heard in the land, I made a remark that horrified the M-G-M top brass. "If you understand 2001 on the first viewing," I stated,"we will have failed." I still stand by this remark, which does not mean that one can't enjoy the movie completely the first time around. What I meant was, of course, that because we were dealing with the mystery of the Universe, and with powers and forces greater than man's comprehension, then by definition they could not be totally understandable. Yet there is at least one logical structure--and sometimes more than one--behind everything that happens on the screen in 2001, and the ending does not consist of random enigmas, some simple-minded critics to the contrary. (You will find my interpretation in the novel; it is not necessarily Kubrick's. Nor is his necessarily the "right" one--whatever that means.) " Written by Arthur C. Clarke, excerpted from an excerpt from Report on Planet Three and Other Speculations, ©1972 Harper and Row.


Kubrick discusses visual elegance, meaning and abiguity of 2001 in this interview.
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Did you deliberately try for ambiguity as opposed to a specific meaning for any scene or image?

No, I didn't have to try for ambiguity; it was inevitable. And I think in a film like 2001, where each viewer brings his own emotions and perceptions to bear on the subject matter, a certain degree of ambiguity is valuable, because it allows the audience to "fill in" the visual experience themselves. In any case, once you're dealing on a nonverbal level, ambiguity is unavoidable. But it's the ambiguity of all art, of a fine piece of music or a painting -- you don't need written instructions by the composer or painter accompanying such works to "explain" them. "Explaining" them contributes nothing but a superficial "cultural" value which has no value except for critics and teachers who have to earn a living. Reactions to art are always different because they are always deeply personal.

The final scenes of the film seemed more metaphorical than realistic. Will you discuss them -- or would that be part of the "road map" you're trying to avoid?

No, I don't mind discussing it, on the lowest level, that is, straightforward explanation of the plot. You begin with an artifact left on earth four million years ago by extraterrestrial explorers who observed the behavior of the man-apes of the time and decided to influence their evolutionary progression. Then you have a second artifact buried deep on the lunar surface and programmed to signal word of man's first baby steps into the universe -- a kind of cosmic burglar alarm. And finally there's a third artifact placed in orbit around Jupiter and waiting for the time when man has reached the outer rim of his own solar system.

When the surviving astronaut, Bowman, ultimately reaches Jupiter, this artifact sweeps him into a force field or star gate that hurls him on a journey through inner and outer space and finally transports him to another part of the galaxy, where he's placed in a human zoo approximating a hospital terrestrial environment drawn out of his own dreams and imagination. In a timeless state, his life passes from middle age to senescence to death. He is reborn, an enhanced being, a star child, an angel, a superman, if you like, and returns to earth prepared for the next leap forward of man's evolutionary destiny.

That is what happens on the film's simplest level. Since an encounter with an advanced interstellar intelligence would be incomprehensible within our present earthbound frames of reference, reactions to it will have elements of philosophy and metaphysics that have nothing to do with the bare plot outline itself.

What are those areas of meaning?

They are the areas I prefer not to discuss because they are highly subjective and will differ from viewer to viewer. In this sense, the film becomes anything the viewer sees in it. If the film stirs the emotions and penetrates the subconscious of the viewer, if it stimulates, however inchoately, his mythological and religious yearnings and impulses, then it has succeeded.

Why does 2001 seem so affirmative and religious a film? What has happened to the tough, disillusioned, cynical director of The Killing, Spartacus, Paths of Glory, and Lolita, and the sardonic black humorist of Dr. Strangelove?

The God concept is at the heart of this film. It's unavoidable that it would be, once you believe that the universe is seething with advanced forms of intelligent life. Just think about it for a moment. There are a hundred billion stars in the galaxy and a hundred billion galaxies in the visible universe. Each star is a sun, like our own, probably with planets around them. The evolution of life, it is widely believed, comes as an inevitable consequence of a certain amount of time on a planet in a stable orbit which is not too hot or too cold. First comes chemical evolution -- chance rearrangements of basic matter, then biological evolution.

Think of the kind of life that may have evolved on those planets over the millennia, and think, too, what relatively giant technological strides man has made on earth in the six thousand years of his recorded civilization -- a period that is less than a single grain of sand in the cosmic hourglass. At a time when man's distant evolutionary ancestors were just crawling out of the primordial ooze, there must have been civilizations in the universe sending out their starships to explore the farthest reaches of the cosmos and conquering all the secrets of nature. Such cosmic intelligences, growing in knowledge over the aeons, would be as far removed from man as we are from the ants. They could be in instantaneous telepathic communication throughout the universe; they might have achieved total mastery over matter so that they can telekinetically transport themselves instantly across billions of light years of space; in their ultimate form they might shed the corporeal shell entirely and exist as a disembodied immortal consciousness throughout the universe.

Once you begin discussing such possibilities, you realize that the religious implications are inevitable, because all the essential attributes of such extraterrestrial in
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#64660
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2001: A Space Odyssey Special edition with CGI
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
yippi..
im not alone


Nope, I LOVE 2001 have since I first saw it when I was seven.

It holds a higher place in my heart than even Star Wars, not too hard to believe with all of the new crap.

I loved the apes when I was a kid and I love them now. I found the Tycho Magnetic Anomaly Monolith scene to be very disturbing. HAL was awesome and scary and the Beyond The Infinite was always a trip (the ultimate trip).

I remember being jazzed to see the Starbaby poster for 2010 on a routine family shopping trip to Burwood in 1984. (Sequel's not that great but still okay. Outland and Capricorn One are Hyams' best work.)

Attempting to explain the last scenes of 2001 is fruitless as Clarke said that anyone who says thay understand what it means is wrong because neither he nor Kubrick were really sure. I believe that it means what it says it means and that Dave has entered the transfinite. But what do I know?

Having said all that I wouldn't be averse to the idea of a fan edit of 2001 where the plaid striped 1968 animations of Dave's hyperspace journey, aka the toilet break, were replaced with a multicoloured Julia set fractal animation.

Touch nothing else, change no music cues, update no models with inferior CGI but the Trip Beyond The Infinite.

But they'd still have to give us a branching DVD with the choice of plaid hyperspace or Julia set hyperspace.
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#64596
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scifi.com ScifiWire Poll
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
It's like a little kid who has few toys, and a great imagination.
He can turn a stick into a raygun and do anything with anything. This is the FX Lucas of the seventies and eighties.

Versus a kid with lots of toys with no imagination.
This is the kind of person that the "malfuntioning R5-D4" toy was made for. This is the CGI Lucas of now.


Brilliant. I couldn't have put it better.

When Lucas lacked the dosh for an effect he was forced to come up with a creative story way around the problem. Now he has all the tools and all the money and the lack of creativity in the new stories is abundantly evident.
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#64423
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Dude, where's the General Lee?
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Oh you guys have got to see Blade II.

It shits all over Blade, Guillermo ROCKS and is one of my favourites not only as a director but as a person.

He's talking about releasing a director's cut of Mimic (there were good bits but I didn't really like it when I saw it), using the raw materials that were shot and not filming new stuff this DVD will contain unseen footage and run about a half hour shorter but will be closer in tone to the script that he went in with before the studio started fucking with the product.

Seriously check out Blade II.
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#64415
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scifi.com ScifiWire Poll
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Current Results:
The original '70s and '80s releases.
55%
The 1997 "special editions."
13%
The 2004 DVD versions.
17%
Star Wars? Give me Trek.
15%
Votes Cast: 7148


You know I actually have a theory that old man Lucas purposefully fucked these films up so badly because he felt responsible for the impact that the saga had on us children of the seventies.

Stay with me now. My theory is that he got scared when "Jedi" and "the Force" started showing up in Census form reports and he saw the damage that obsessive Star Wars love was having on the lives, behaviour and relationships of the series most fervent fanatics and decided to do something to rectify the situation.

Tough love.

So he oversaw the woeful 'Special (as in special school) Editions' with so many horrible changes in order to break the trance.

But that tactic did not work, so he started work on his most ambitious project yet, a trilogy of terror. Three films so calculatedly bad that they were destined to wreak havoc on the fanbase. Surely after such films we would all see that Star Wars is justy badly written fluff to sell toys and videogames.

However even this tactic did not work as fan-love for the OT only increased with each new excreble prequel so he launched his final attack on his followers. The 2004 New Original Trilogy.

Surely this gambit would work, surely now Star Wars could indeed be pronounced dead.

So that is my theory. It's either that, or Lucas is an actual deity.

This second theory arises out of the crazy defenses that the beaten-wife-syndromesque Lucas Apologists come up with.

"Who are you to question His will?"

"He is the Creator and He can do whatever He wants to His galaxy."

"Everything He does He does for a reason."

"All of His decisons are divine and unquestionable."

"Every one of His creations is perfect and full of unknowable majesty and wonderment."

"This was all part of His plan from the beginning."

"He is just testing our loyalty and devotion to Him."

"When bad things happen to good Star Wars fans it's just because they didn't really believe in Him strongly enough."

Pfeh...

The good thing about this Earthly deity is that you can track Him down and punch Him in the gut when He pisses you off.
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#64377
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The 2004 DVDs will be Limited Edition! No more to be produced after Dec 2004!
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Hmmm...

So now Hayden giving Luke the "Hello Sailor" come hither look in ROTJ makes sense.

Excellent changes Lucas, you've finally cracked the elusive Pink market of Star Wars fans.

Now openly gay but secretly Star Wars fans everywhere can 'come out of the closet'.

Wow how did we get onto this?

"There is good in him, I've felt it."

"The last time I felt it, was in the presence of my old master."

"In time you will call me master."

"If only you knew the power of the dark side!"

"Back door, huh? Good idea!"

"You've got something jammed in here real good."

"Look at the size of that thing!"

"In you must go."

"And I thought they smelled bad... on the outside."

"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care WHAT you smell!"

"There's an awful lot of moisture in here."

"Mudhole? SLIMY?"

"The circle is now complete."

"Pull out Wedge, you can't do any more good back there!"

"Grab me, Chewie. I'm slipping -- hold on. Grab it, almost...you almost got it. Gently now, all right, easy, easy, hold me, Chewie. Chewie!"

"Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

"Luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?"

"Possible he came in through the south entrance."

"You're all clear kid. Now let's blow this thing and go home!"

"It didn't go in. It just impacted on the surface."

"Control, control...You must learn control."

"Sorry about the mess..."

"I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me!"

"Hey, Luke, thanks for coming after me -- now I owe you one."

Han Solo even sounds like a gay porn name.

Bow Chicka Bow Chicka Wahwahwahwahwahh! Bow Chicka Bow Chicka Wahwahwahwahwahwahh!!

"Hey there kid I'm Han Solo and this hairy Bear is Chewie, we've come to fix your Hyperdrive, I hear it's been... leaking. Is it hot in here?"
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#64329
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Beautiful Women
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
OK... So.. Back on topic....


What abot Milla Jokovich (sp?)... In the RE movies.

She's pretty attractive... right?

Apart from the less than flattering nude scene inside the isolation tank in Resident Evil: Apocalypse. Makes her look like she has the breasts of a 12 year-old.


Yeah but she wears 'em well.
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#64095
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Good things to say about the PT!!
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Oh...

Well I HAVE inhaled and it's not for me.

I believe that people should be allowed to do whatever the Hell they want to do as long as it doesn't harm others or do too much damage to themselves.

Unfortunately I did both when I 'bonged on' with hydro. I suffered a severe and violent dissociative paranoid freakout which mimicked the symptoms of schizophrenia.

Pure fear, minutes of screaming, time became a tossed salad of dejavu and I was trapped in a tiny little spot called the singularity unable to do anything but watch, unable to stop the whole fucking thing from repeating over and over and over and over. Madness.

It was absolutely terrifying and took about a fortnight to deal with the effects and repercussions as the THC worked its way out of my system.

I have no problem with people smoking around me as I still enjoy the green smell but I don't recommend it for people who already think too much.

I have a complete inability to 'chill', I guess I just enjoy being in control too much.

It aint my bag baby.
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#64055
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STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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Oh hey MagnoliaFan can I make some tiny suggestions about tweaking Clone War?

Is it at all possible to just have R2 and C-3PO just stay in the ship on Geonosis rather than having to endure the bumbling droids during the fight scenes?

This way the only effect that they actually had on the scenes, namely R2 stopping the molten metal from killing Padme could be seen as just a lucky malfunction.

And I'd lose super-bouncy-ball Yoda and just have the force lifting end their battle. It's much more Yoda than that bizarre wildcat saber fight.

I compliment you on the rest of your decisions.
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#63857
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Kerry Lied
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Yes go with a man who was out getting coked to the eyeballs and picking up hookers rather than reporting for duty.

Go with a man who lied to the world about WMDs, a lie which cost the lives of men, women and children (mostly Iraqis though so who cares right?)

Go with a man who believes in the coming 'end of days' prophesied in an ancient fairytale which itself is based on the Greek myth of Zeus and Herakles, a VERY simple man who takes his orders from an imaginary friend.

Go with a man who will continue to steal services from the poor in order that the rich can continue to profit from his administration.

Go with a man who will limit a woman's right to choice.

Go with a man who is so dangerously stupid he almost did himself in with a bag of pretzels.

Go with a man who has created a climate of fear to rally conseratives and forcibly remove freedom and liberties from private citizens.

Go with a man who's brother helped rig a Presidential election when most people 'voted for the other guy'.

Go with a man who took the greatest outpouring of grief, sympathy and support that the world has ever seen and turned it around into outrage and disgust.

Go with a man whose only smudges that the Republican dirt machine can uncover are possible overstatements most likely based in fact FROM THIRTY FUCKING YEARS AGO or go with a man who is lying to you now and will continue to lie to the world in the future as long as it suits the interests of Carlyle and Halliburton.

The choice is clear.

Fuck Bush.
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#63850
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Good things to say about the PT!!
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac

Pirates, nudity and blasphemy are all very good things. But in their own place I guess.


Blashpemy a good thing? Have you been haningin out with hotrod, Reg???


Not quite sure I get the reference.

If there's pirates and nudity involved I may just have to check out Hotrod's hang-out.

But I was referring to blasphemy as in the root meaning of the word.

Contrary to popular belief, the word has secular (non-religious) uses.

Definition:  
1. [v]  speak of in an irrevent or impious manner;
2. [v]  utter obscenities or profanities;


I enjoy irreverence, as do all Aussies I think, of course my enjoyment of obscenities and profanity goes without saying. But in moderation and everything in its place.

No offense intended.
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#63819
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Good things to say about the PT!!
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
More good things:

* It had sound, and real human voices, no cards with dialogue written on it. The colors were bright and shiny.


Maybe GL should have done it silent movie style that would have been impressive.

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* It featured none, or very few pirates.
* No frontal nudity, sex or blasphemy.


Pirates, nudity and blasphemy are all very good things. But in their own place I guess.

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* The pod race ended the way I imagine it would end, and I enjoy figuring out the plot before the director does.


Laugh-out-loud funny.

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* Both movies ended.


Debatable.

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* Standing in the lines with my friends before the movies started was fun.
* I didn't break a bone or die while watching those movies...


Yes that sounds similar to my viewing experience.

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OK that's pretty much it. Everything I didn't mention sucked.


I agree with you ricarleite and buddy-x-wing I see the PT films as just a series of huge missteps.

It's very hard to speak well of these films.

But since that IS what this thread is about I will try.

The good... I think there were some interesting concepts that could have been explored further.

I liked elements of the pod-racing that could have been explored further if GL had taken the idea back to its roots of American Graffiti style rough bad-boy, rev-heads 'racing for pinks'. Naturally Anakin would be the best and cockiest podracer on the circuit. A grease-stained, shaggy-haired, arrogant James Dean-type with a devil-may-care attitude, a well balanced human being with a huge chip on each shoulder.

Enter Jedi Obi Wan, an enthusiastic and idealistic crusader who befriends the angry young podracer, seeing in him some Force talents. It would have been nice to see swashbuckling space-Marshalls with a hint of Tibetan Monk instead of virgin Gregorian Monks with many a splash of YAWN.

In AOTC it was nice to see the scenes where the friendship between the two Jedi was hinted at however this was yet another missed opportunity where rather than just talking about their adventures while standing in an elevator it would have been better film-storytelling to actually bloody show it rather than just talk about it. "Show, don't tell". "Show, don't tell" Lucas.

I feel there should have been a triangle of sorts between Padme, Ben and Anakin.

Ian McDiarmid was wonderful in both films even though he was given very little to work with.

It was nice to see Sam Jackson in Jedi garb however watching him just sit around I can't help but feel that he looked like one pissed-off, bored muthafucka.

I actually enjoyed the Neimoidians somewhat but would have preferred them to be portrayed more blatently Fu Manchu schemers.

The fight between Jango and Obi Wan was pretty cool but I still hate the whole Jango thing.

The nightclub and diner on Coruscant were kind of cool if somewhat out of place. The diner may have worked if it had been connected to the 50s style podracer teens. (Dex sucked.)

One of the great things about the PTs has been the concept art, largely ignored by GL, where designers have come up with a more pragmatic Jedi outfit which is very, very cool looking and not in anyway beige pyjamas and brown blankets.

The lightsaber fights are indeed very cool but unfortunately the Jedi don't seem to use their Jedi 'powers' very well or very often. If the Sith can shoot lightning, shouldn't the Jedi be able to heal with their hands?

No hyperspace warps? WTF?!

Sorry I tried.
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#63806
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Reminder: Empire of Dreams on now
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i thought most of it was pretty neat... but they're still lacking on the behind the scenes stuff that was included in "from star wars to jedi: the making of a saga"
and they used SE footage when talking about the films that dazzled audiences...

cough cough bullshit cough cough


Okay how's about a re-edit of this documentary? Replacing NOT footage with OT footage, thus allowing the fair trading of this doco?

It's worth a shot.
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#63795
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Episode III is the last one
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
THE HISTORY ACCORDING TO GEORGE:
THE STORY CHANGES EVERYTIME HE TELLS IT, WHEN MY GRANDMA STARTED DOING THIS WE PUT HER IN AN OLD FOLKS HOME.


Heh.

Images of George being carted off to a 'home' in a wheelbarrow. Lalalalalah...

Maybe someone should start a care facility for directors who've lost 'it'.

I see places being reserved for Spielberg, Landis, Reitman and Sonnenfeld to name just a few.
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#63690
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...from the Digital Bits review..
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Possible yes, Inevidible No.


Bam! The American schooling system strikes again.

Arnold Schwarzenegger may pronounce it as "Inevidible" but the word is "Inevitable".

I may constantly disagree with your opinions and find your views on most issues abhorrent in the extreme but I respect your right to hold differing beliefs. However differing spelling is another kettle of fish, especially when English is not your second language.

Learn to fucking spell Jimbo, when you grow up it'll come in handy.

It's an off-topic rant I know. I'm sorry I get pedantic now and then but I find such constant abuse of language grating.

Feel free to ignore me, who knows you'll probably get elected Republican President one day.
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#63412
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Dude, where's the General Lee?
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Point well taken, however I don't feel that the show ever took sides on the issue of slavery.

The rebel flag may well have some powerful meaning to 'rednecks' in 'the south' and will no doubt be read that way by kneejerkers but I feel that its use was in an ironic context on the show and that will certainly be the context within the new film.

I hate ALL kinds of revisionism and that includes censorship of the 'blackface' gags in Tom & Jerry cartoons through to Holocaust denial and on to Greedo shooting first.

[Rafiki hits Simba on the head with his stick]
Simba : Oww. Jeez... What was that for?
Rafiki : It doesn't matter, it's in the past.
Simba : Yeah, but it still hurts.
Rafiki : Oh yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it, you can either run from it, or learn from it.
[swings his stick at Simba again who ducks out of the way]
Rafiki : Ha. You See?

But you can't CHANGE the past, so don't try.
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#63397
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Episodes 7,8,9?
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I think people are giving George Lucas too much credit for having these things planned in advance to any degree.

It's clear that he writes them the night before principle photography begins, granted he probably stays up all night, or most of it, in order to get the thing finished.

He has always been influenced in his writing by the memories of his youth, his passions and the process of working with far, FAR better storytellers.

But these days his influences are no longer so lofty as Campbell, Kurosawa and Buck Rogers and no longer so shrouded in the past.

All you have to do to see that is watch the two PT films.

Clearly while writing TPM GL was accidentally sitting on the TV remote and while shifting his butt back and forth on the computer chair he was clicking between C-SPAN and FOX Sports and some other channel where the Dinotopia book was being reviewed.

When it came to AOTC he must have had SpaceBalls on in the background.
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#63395
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Irvin Kershner on Special Editions
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Jim Ward took up the reply here, pointing out that Lucas felt very strongly in the artist's right to choose the presentation of his own material, and that while the Stooges weren't around to give the OK to colorization, Lucas himself, as the artist, had every right to decide which version of the Star Wars films to release.


Meanwhile, Curly is in heaven, screaming: "Oh, I want my movies colorized now! Woo woo woo woo! Iac Iac Iac!"

Before episode 3, there will be a short movie by the stooges with full color, techno music and CGI backgrounds.


HAH!!

Too funny.