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#156907
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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Yes, yes and yes. Unfortunately, conceptual issues are harder to deal with than editorial. The idea of cutting Sidious altogether is a good - that way his appearances in the PT will mirror those in the OT (i.e. none/a bit/a lot). However, preserving the surprise is a moot point, since everyone already knows. Even people who don't know who Ian McDiarmid is and missed that the OT Emperor's name is Palpatine can recognize the TPM Palpatine as the OT Emperor. Nevertheless, go ahead, it's a good idea and I'm sure a lot of fans would love to see it.


good points

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#156494
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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Originally posted by: booah
Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I'm still eager to do my Katie Holmesless version of BATMAN BEGINS

I'm really looking forward to any work on Begins-- it's begging to be Holmeless (or Holmesless). I also think the training sequence was way too long, but maybe that's just me.


I like all the training stuff. But Katie Holmes just feels very extranious to the plot, her character should of been Harvey Dent. Then in Batman3 when he becomes Two face it would be really powerful to have Batman fighting his former childhood friend.

But also I just want to cut her out as a curiousity, to see if it can be done, I think it can without any plot disruption and that just makes me chuckle.

One thing that bothers me to no end are the Jedi rat tails, it would almost be worth it to me to eliminate them from every frame of TPM and AOTC...I don't know if this bothers the hell out of anyone else, but I could never stand the look.


I would be supportive of such an idea. Can we get rid of the word "padawan" while we're at it

I haven't watched TPM for awhile, but I wonder if there is a way to completely eliminate the Gungan battle scenes, removing any reference to it and doing it without without adding subtitles to Jar Jar, since I don't like any of the altered versions of Jar Jar's voice I've heard so far...there are already 3 other action sequences going on at the end of TPM, giving the axe to the Gungan battle would be my preference.


I actually like a lot of elements of the battle, I prefer it over the space battle which I find highly dissappointing.
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#156230
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HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE
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Would I let my seven-year-old read it? Probably not. In my opinion, it's just too much of a spritual risk for a child

What risk?

Strictly speaking the christian church has been both directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of countless millions since its inception. Witchcraft on the other hand teaches harmony with nature, and our fellow beings. All the supposed "evils" of witchcraft are all invents of the church to villafy peganism, since the church was run by men and pegan practices and healling techniques were largely practiced by women, whom the church did not view as real people and found threatening. Its been my expirence that peganism and its related practices also lack the hypocricy that is found in most organized religons.

Christ preached forgiveness and acceptance, but Christians are often the first to judge and cast stones. Its my feeling that Jesus would be immensely dissappointed with what has been done in his name if he were to theoretically return. He'd be out infront of the vatican smashing tables and shouting just like he did in the temple in jerusalem. And since the church would find this threatening to their enterprize Jesus would once again be eliminated by the religous hierarchy.

And I'm not coming at this from the outside, I was born catholic and was raised in that system until I finished highschool. And I find nothing redeeming or rewarding in it.

I believe in the teachings of christ, be good, help those in need, forgive, accept, dont judge.
But then again all these things should be common sense to any decent caring individual, that it takes a philosopher of remarkable noterity to point this out to people astounds me. Do I believe Jesus was the son of god? No I don't. But thats beside the point. Whether Jesus was real or not, whether he really did the things the bible claims he did (which is a second hand account written entirely by men, after the fact and retranslated a dozen times over) what's important is that someone said those things and wrote them down. But what many fail to see is that Christ himself was anti-organized religon. This is what always gets skewed into the anti-jewish sentiment that some felt was prevelant in the Mel Gibson Jesus torturefest. its not the jews Christ was against, not specifically. He was against a dogmatic church that used its sway to gather money and power from the people's blind obedience. Which is no different then the modern day vatican or any other religous power.

True to christ word, the vatican should be the lowliest of huts somewhere in slum. If we were to follow what Jesus said to the letter, then no home or refuge should be lesser then the house which represents the lord. Christ didn't want to be worshipped, he didn't want to be objectified or turned into a symbol, he wanted to lead by example.

If Jesus returned (in some theoretical world where people do return from the dead) then he would be hanging out with aids patients, and prositutes. He would be friends to women who've had abortions, and gays and people of other faiths and nationality. I see him far more likely to be spending time with them then the Pope and cardinals.

when there are plenty of other books they could and should be reading... Like, for instance, the Bible.


The most violent, racist, genocidal book of all time?

Anyways, I've gone off on a rant here, people can believe whatever they want, I'm just throwing in my two cents here. Feel free to smack me upside the head for it.
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#156147
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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which is how it should have been done if Lucas' didn't want to stick with the dark side deteriation explanation that had been around for so long.

the slow deterioration was such a good plan, I wish he had stuck with it

I agree that this is the way it should have gone as well. While I feel that Lucas has the right to disregard whatever someone else has introduced in the EU, this idea of the deterioration of the physical body seems to be perfect when you consider the corruption that the Dark Side brings. Power, but at a cost.


Well its not just EU, that was the plan all the way up to the start of production on Ep3. Palpatine is clearly more disfigured at the end of EP2 then he is at the start of ep3. and even Ian Mcdiarmid described it as a slow decay, as did some of the Lucas people even for behind the scenes of Ep3, so this was a very last minute decision to make it an abrupt change.

and not for the better.


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#156130
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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as for Palpatine vs Mace, I thought this was the most troubled sequence in the movie, but it couldn't be cut as it is crucial, so here's what did to it if anyone is curious

Palpatine: Master Windu, I take it General Grevious has been destroyed then.....I must say you are here sooner than expected.
Windu: In the name of the Galactic senate of the Republic you're under arrest Chancellor.
Palpatine: I am the senate.

Palpatine stands, saber ejects, ignites all very fast. palpatine's spin attack cut, just see him charge. frames trimmed so he appears to be a lot faster and catches darthmaul style jedi by complete surprise instead of three jedi masters standing there like chumps/

more frames trimmed as kit and other jedi die, and mace exits into hallway. fight reduced down to bare essentials and best shots. All cutaways of anakin arriving are gone. The window shatters, cut to mace giving Palpatine a boot to the head.

Anakin enters.

Windu: The opression of the Sith will never return, you have lost.

Anakin walks up to watch

Windu: I'm going to end this one and for all.

Mace raises saber, anakin ignites his, severe's Mace's arm

Palpatine (removed no,no,no), you will die! (shooting lightning). **still looks human**

Mace gets fried goes out the window

Palpatine sighs with satisfaction, his true face revealed.

(removed "what have I done?")

Anakin slumps down...palpatine rises.
Palpatine: You are fulfilling your destiny Anakin......become my apprentice, learn to use the darkside of the force.

Anakin: I pledge myself to your teachings.

Palpatine: good... very good.

Palpatine: The force is strong with you....a powerful sith you will become, henceforth, you shall be known as darth.....vader.

Anakin: thank you my master

Palpatine: rise...

removed yoda feeling the disturbance

Palpatine: because the council did not trust you my young apprentice, i believe you are the only Jedi with no knowledge of this plot.....when the Jedi learn what has transpired here, they will kill us along with all the senators.
Anakin: I agree.
Palpatine: The councils next move will be against the senate.....every single jedi (removed "including your friend obi-wan kenobi") is now an enemy of the republic.
Anakin: I understand master.
Palpatine: we must move quickly, the jedi are relentless, if they are not all destroyed it will be civil war without end.....first i want you to go to the jedi temple, we will catch them off-balance, do what must be done lord vader, do not hesitate, show no mercy, only then will you be strong enough with the darkside.

(removed "to save padme" since Palps just stated he didn't know the secret yet.)

Anakin: what about the other Jedi spread across the galaxy?
Palpatine: their betrayal will be delt with.....after you have killed all the jedi in the temple, go to the Mustafar system, wipeout viceroy gunray and the other seperatist leaders



Palpatine: once more, the sith will rule the galaxy! and we shall have peace.


bare in mind in my version there is no subplot about Padme dying in child birth and anakin seeking a way to prevent this

Also thanks for the suggestions of removing "i just learned a truth" and just keeping "He won't give up his power, I think Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith Lord" in the Mace/Anakin segment...It seems like an obvious improvement that i didn't think of.



I axed the whole scene
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#156126
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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I actually really like the Nemodians and how weak and foolish they are. Its one of the few things I think Lucas got bang on for the prequels, I love nute as a character.

I have changed subtitles in ep2 to change some plot stuff around, and even to do some foreshadowing to general grievous for ep3.

Glad to see all the support in this thread, I was actually expecting a lot more skeptism. Makes me eager to get to work on it.

Though my obligation to the my own film that I am cutting together at the moment must always come first, I do enjoy doing these fan edits a plenty. I'm still eager to do my Katie Holmesless version of BATMAN BEGINS, and the epic task of making one good movie out of Matrix 2 and 3

and then there's always my custom edit of the LOTR trilogy. That will be an epic undertaking in and of itself.