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#33286
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Read these two articles please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33286/action/topic#33286
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And not to forget: If these (idiot b. and his kind of folk) are the people that defend the SE and deny that the OTs even existed, than this is a clear and strong argument for publishing the OTs on DVD.


A very good point. And endorsement from a fool is hardly positive word of mouth

You know idiot basher as hard as is for you to believe, its people like you who are ruining SW.
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#33283
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Digital Bits thoughts?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33283/action/topic#33283
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Know i agree, a lot of people are sucking the fun out of SW, and I don't just mean those who dislike one or more of the prequels. There are many people who think every frame of these movies is perfect (which is fine) but they choose to go on zealous rampages to try and convert others to Lucasdom, as though uncle George will be the one waiting at the pearly gates to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.

And in general SW itself is starting become less fun to me, I find that the prequel era (not just the movies themselves) and the attitude and statements of GL on several occasions has actually diminished my appreciation for even the OT. There was a time when SW seemed like this great thing and GL this incredible visionary, but it feels more like the ANH, ESB and to a lesser extent ROTJ were just flukes, that GL got lucky and a lot had to do with the other creative people involved.

I'm starting to buy into all that crap that forumnerds innondate me with day in and day out, that the OT is in reality no better then the PT. And that disheartens me to no end.

I think its important to take a step back from SW for a while (at least for me) and try and forget about it a little, so that hopefully if Ep3 is good it will excite me and make the saga feel new again.

But don't worry I'm not planning to abandon OT.com any time soon.
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#33243
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George Lucas' explanation why the OT is obsolete to him
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33243/action/topic#33243
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I sat in the Egyptian and watched Lucas when they screened clips from the original versions at a special ILM retrospective, and he looked like he wanted to crawl out of his skin. He hates those films. He hates watching those films. He is embarrassed by his own accomplishments, and he has gone around the bend.


I really get the impression that its not just the FX, but the OT in general that he hates. I haven;t heard him say a nice thing about the OT since the PT started to come out. ANd I know from reading interviews that he considers ESB the worst of the saga.
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#33241
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Great idea- Let's totally SWAMP the Lucasfilm Jedi Council!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33241/action/topic#33241
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Rebel Scumb is the only Hyperspace member that I know of personally.



Its my impression that doing this would hurt us more then help us. They may just get annoiyed and pull the plug on www.originaltrilogy.com since technically they own the rights to anything SW.

Its a noble idea, but my instincts say it would not work in our favour.
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#33239
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Offical 50,000
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33239/action/topic#33239
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Well here's my take. I have the SE on VHS, and I know I'm going to buy the ultimate edition regardless of whether or not the OV comes out, so the only reason I would buy this one is because of the extras which are likely to be exclusive to this release. WHich is why I bought AotC despite thinking its terrible.

The only other motivation I have for buying this release is if the OV never comes out, and the ultiamte edition ends up being even worse then the SE, because if the OV doesn't come out then I'm jsut going to edit out greedo shooting first and any other changes that bug me, and it would probably be easier to do that from the lesser changed '97 edition then the uber changed 2007 version. But then I'm still holding out hope that the 2007 version will be awesome.

Either way, I still want my OV. But as it stands now, I'm not buying the sept o4 dvds, and I don't feel in anyway excited that they are coming.
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#33238
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Read these two articles please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33238/action/topic#33238
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Now that I've figured out that I'm arguing with a bunch of 40-50 year old cronies this is what I have to say.


I'm 24, but I suppose that probably seems old to a 6 year old.

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1. There is nothing on the Internet about The Ultimate Edition except a possible amount of changes that I have read on TheForce.net which is not all proven and is mostly a fan's wishful thinking.


Who said anything about the internet? I know I didn't. This may surprise you, but some of us actually know people.

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"2. George has never said he was going to do an Ultimate Edition, ever.


He said it still a work in progress.

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" What Lucas is going to do is actually make a series based on the time period between Ep's III and IV, the Jedi Purge, which is more believable, and more frequently mentioned on the net."


The odds of GL doing a TV show about a murdering lunatic genocidally killing people each week thursdays at 8, is extremely slim. Not to mention that all the Jedi (younglings and all) get killed by Anakin and the stormtroopers in Ep3.

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"3. And if they do do an Ultimate Edition, will you continue to whine?"


No. I think its a great idea. I have no problem with GL making special editions, nobody does. All we care about is if he preserves the original versions as well.

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"It doesn't matter apparently because he will never release the original's on DVD."


The offical word from the LFL marketing team is "Never say never". And they have a lot more control over this then you would think. If there is money to be made from selling the OV OT then they will do it.

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"All of you should just get over it and realize that your time is over. The 70's have ended, the 80's have come and gone. Quit living in the past. The time is now. "


You sound like a supervillian.

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"The SE's are the final versions"


Nope.

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"4. You'll buy the DVD's anyway, no matter what you say you know you won't be able to resist."


Sure I will, because i have the SE on VHS already and I never watch it.

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The only way this could work is if you boycott buying the SW DVD's which is less likely to work then this petition.


I doubt a boycott would happen, but if it did then it would have an impact. But it would never happen.

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George will never even look at this site.


Of course not. But there are LFL people who do.

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All he cares about his finishing his creation, wether you all like it or not.


I do like it, thats the whole point.

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5. I actually believe myself that both version should be released together, simply for preferable reference, because one, people like you make every other SW fan look like the stupidest people on the planet


I'm not he one who calms himself 'idiot' and 'dick'

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and two, because you wouldn't open your mouths and crap wouldn't come out making SE lovers like myself angry.


Nobody can make you angry but yourself. If your angry its your fault and you should go to places just to get angry like your doing now. Its like a nazi going to a Jewish website. Get out of here nazi!

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6. And that's all I have to say about that.


This I highly doubt.

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"None of this is meant to offend by the way"


Of course not, you just insult us cause thats your way of trying to instigate cybersex.

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This is my final word anyway.


If only that were true.
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#33180
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Read these two articles please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33180/action/topic#33180
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Originally posted by: Idiot Basher
Being a dick is what I'm best at.


How can you expect anyone to take what you say seriously after that.


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George says that the SE's are the final versions, and yes they what the movies would have originally been, but there was no way he could do the things that he did in the SE back then, don't you get it? SE is the final version of the films.


Your going to have to eat these words in 2 years. They are already working on the final versions.

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First of all, most of you treat the SE like a set of brand new movies, they're not, they just have added scenes, that's it


If you change a movie, it becomes a different movie.

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"scenes that George would have had in there if they had digital technology back then."


And what about the changes that could of been achieved then like greedo shooting first? I hate to break it to you, but there is no GL masterplan for SW, he's essenitally making this up as he goes, and contradicts himself on many occasions. In one interview he will say he always planned to make the pT, in another he'll claim that he never had any intent to make it and the episode numbers were just an homage to old serials.

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Face it, the OT is gone and you'll never see it in a different format other then VHS. So you better take care of your tapes and VCR's because your whining, will solve, NOTHING.


Niether will your whining here, but your doing it anyways. Kind makes you a big hypocrit huh?

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All of the arguements are based on your own selfish desires.


Yeah its so selfish to want to own a cinematic classic that changed film history on DVD.

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You don't deserve respect, you're not the artist, you're the audience.


This comment makes me laugh.

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I think I've said enough here, long live the Special Editions, the FINAL and BEST versions of the films.


Nope, its still a work in progress, your only proving your own stupidity with this claim.


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And changing a photograph by replacing the Face of someone is far different then making the ultimate version of a movie, that you wanted it to originally be anyway.


No its exactly the same. Its pretending you never made a "mistake" and acting like what you do and believe now is the way you've always thought. Like I said its not that he made the SE, thats fine. Its pretending the OV does not exist.

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If you replace the face of your girlfriend with your wife, does that mean it was supposed to originally be her in that Photo? I don't think so.


Well how else would you interpret it?

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And my final word is, that if George had been able to make these scenes to what he orginally wanted, then the OT would be the SE.


You are so naive.

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top thinking you know all about George because you don't.


Niether do you. And I would wager I know a fair amount more then you do.



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#33095
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Read these two articles please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33095/action/topic#33095
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I like that someone who supposedly hates people who complain uis stupid enough to waste their time to register on a message board supporting something they hate and then complains about it.

GL can make 10 special editions for all I care, more power to him. But by saying the Original versions aren't real and don;t exist is like taking pictures of your old girlfriends and photoshopping your wifes face over top so you can pretend that you've always been together. Its arrogant and kind of pathetic.

For someone who claims to love SW, idiot basher your quick to let a big piece of it be cast aside. Because essientially you're arguing that the SW trilogy didn;'t really exist until 1997, inwhich case i think GL owes us a lot of our money back from that 20 years of test screening rough cuts and market research he did with all those video releases and theatrical rereleases he did with his unfinished comprimised work.

Who benefits from a piece of film history being erased? How about we give the mona lisa some bigger tits and burn the original, she'll look better anyways so stop your whining.

And the 1997 version is not the definitive version either, its just another rough cut, the supposedly finished version is coming in 2007 for the 30th anniversary, so these SE dvds you crave, thats not the real SW, so when the new ones come out, I think you should snap your 1997 rough cuts in half because thats not Lucas' vision.

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What I care about is that George has achieved his ultimate goal and I praise him for it.


Which is?

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He gave his reasons why he wasn't able to release them that way back then because it wasn't possible.


Yes its great that the technology to make Luke scream as he fell in cloud city was finally created in the 90s, as well as the getting over the technical hurdle of how to make Greedo shoot first, or giving Luke that great line "You were lucky to get out of there" inplace of the technically inferior line "You're luck you don;'t taste very good". The wonders of technology have finally allowed these special moments to be brought to life as GL originally intended.

ANd you know what?

What GL intended is completely irrenlevant, what he achieved is. Once you release something into theatres the audience becomes an active participant in the expirence. What directors intend has no baring at all. Every bad movie ever made was somebodies vision, it doesn't mean they didn't suck crap. Maybe the directors feels were hurt but you know what? Too bad. Risk is part of the game, and if you can't handle the fact that some people will not like your movie, then tough balls, you shouldn't be a director.

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Wether your complaining about the added effects, or the narrative changes, they really don't effect the overall story that much.


'that much' is such a relative term and it only proves the point further. In filmmaking every frame must be scrutinized (and from interviews GL agrees) and nothing is done without purpose. Why should I have to overlook something while watching a movie, why should i have to put blinders on?
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#33056
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Offical 50,000
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33056/action/topic#33056
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Well we finall hit the big 50,000

If you read in the CHUD.com forums, Carl Cunningham who was on the set of Ep3 and is generally in the know says that this release of the SE is basically to quiet all the whining fans who have been angered by GL constantly saying "no dvds until after Ep3". And that basically this set is not the real deal. According to CC there will still be a big 6 box set, with the uber special editions in 2007 for the sagas 30th anniversary. He also says that if the original versions are ever to make it to DVD it is likely they would be part of this box set ala the ALien Quadrility 9disc set. He says that they have already encounterd a lot of problems digitizing the OT SE onto dvd for clean up, so to have OV OT ready any time soon is not possible, which make sense, because the clean up would be a lot more.

Now GL has used the word "NEVER" many times in regards to the old cuts, and I personally believe that he hates the original versions (and I don't get the sense he's too keen on the OT in general). Nevertheless, CC says that any time he has talked to LFL marketing/licsening suits it has always been a "never say never" situation, and that he says is an offical quote.

If all that is true, I think it brings to mind a couple of important points

1) this dvd release was done due to fan pressure. And infact the TPM dvd release was also done due to fan pressure. SO I'd say there is definitely no reason for us to give up our damn fool idealistic crusade yet.

2) The Uber special edition (being the worst kept secret) will eventually make its way onto DVD, which means that the 97 SE is as much a work in progress or "rough cut" as the OV OT. And if GL will release one "rough cut" to dvd, then its perfectly plausible he'll release another.

Speaking for myself (and I know I could reverse this) I'm not going to buy this DVD set. The best way to cast my vote is to speak with my wallet, and this release feels like half measures. I was always content to wait for the 2007 release and have it done right. If I'm going to have the SE, then I want the compelte SE, I want to see Jimmy SMitts on alderaan in ANH, and Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine in ESB. I want a Jabba that doesn't look like ass and I want all the matte lines cleaned up and the lightsabers redone for ANH. But instead we're getting the '97 version, its not the classic version most fans prefer, and its not the great restored/enhanced version so many fans have dreamed of. Its the worst of both worlds, and i already have these movies in widescreen on VHS. I can keep waiting.

Its always been my opinion that the reason GL would never relase the OV OT on DVD is because he cannot risk them outselling the SEs. It would be too embarrassing. I think it would basically be percieved as the populace saying "you know all this CG and digital revolution, and films are not complete they're just abandon, and revisionist cinema technique you've been preaching this past 10 years? Its all a load of bull."

At least I think thats how he would see it. The past 10-12 years of SW have been all about pushing CG, pushing digital, and pushing the PT as better then the OT. And if the OV OT came along and just annihilated the PT dvd sales and the SE dvd sales then that would basically say that all that was for nothing and people would rather have the effects of the 70s over those of todays. And that wouldn't be good for business. Of course the simple solution is simply to sell both the 1977 version and the 2007 version exclusively in the same set, and then its not a matter of one versus the other.

So in closing I think its great that we've reached 50,000, and I think it would be even better if we could reach 100,000 by opening day of Episode III. I'm not sure this is a battle we can win, but I know its one we can fight.

Keep up the good work everyone!


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#32222
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Oscars 2004
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/32222/action/topic#32222
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
ROTK was no masterpiece, it was a good movie, borderline very good, but no masterpice. it is not a masterpiece in filmhistory in terms of filmmaking nor acting... it is a huge accomplishment and everything, yes, but no masterpiece. im sorry... i love the movie, but not for an oscar.


Its a great movie, but extremely problematic at the same time. But thats LOTR in a nutshell, and not just the movies, but the books themselves. As the TTT DVD even admits, JR Tolkien didn't really seem to have any sense of pacing or foreshadowing or character arc. LOTR is probably one of the most flawed pieces of literature ever written, yet still it seems great nonetheless and overcomes all that to be very memorable, and I'm not exactly sure why.

Does it deserve to win the oscar (cause its going to) I honestly can't say. I've reached a point where I don't think I can truly pick one movie over another as the definitive best film of any given year. ROTK is certainly up there, but how do you begin to compare contrast ROTK with LIT? Two excellent movies, both completely different in scale and content.

Obviously what PJ mounted in his decade of work towards LOTR is unmatched by any filmmaker, but should we judge a movie by how hard it was to make? I don't know. It seems a shame not to reward such a valiant effort. But to say ROTK is a better film that LIT, or finding Nemo, or Master and Commander, I'm not sure I can do that.

I would rather the academy just recognized certain films base on their own merits, rather then having to have it all come down to one movie over another. That way if there are three masterpieces in one year, they can all be recognized.

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#32221
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Oscars 2004
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/32221/action/topic#32221
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I watched Lost in translation late last night when I should of been tucked in bed. And it is indeed a great film. That is the first romance I've seen in a movie in a long time, where i truly wanted the two people to get together.

Great acting, cinematography, and directing around the board.

Bill Murray was great and Scarlett Johansson was lumnious
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#31673
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Is this a scam?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/31673/action/topic#31673
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well here's the update:

I didn't end up signing up for that one, instead I did a google search of all paid online surveys. This showed me there are many of these and they seem to be, at least on the surface not a scam. I found a free site that rated the different paid survey companies, the one I initally looked at was rated #5 in the top ten. so naturally I went to the #1 and after some consideration, signed up. It was $37 american witha 90 day money back guarantee. It gave me access to a whole lot of survey webapges, and you pick and choose which ones you want to sign up for (no charge) and then fill out demographic info. Whenever they need your demographic they email you to take part in the survey. I've done one so far, but I signed up for a lot so hopefully more will come in the next week.

I think its a legit deally, its not going to make me rich, but then it says right up front "you will not get rich from this". If I can make a bit of extra doe from this, awesome, if all I do it make back my intial investment, then it was a gamble and I broke even.

If anyone is interested the site I went to is www.paid-online-surveys.com (and no this isn't a pyramid scam and I'm trying to rope you in )
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#31573
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Is this a scam?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/31573/action/topic#31573
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yeah. Its a tough call. I agree it is likely a scam, but at the same time I know that companies do do these survey focus group things, so it stands to reason that they come from somewhere. I found the site a few months back and its still up, so part of me thinks its legit, but I'm torn.

I suppose if all I lost was the inital sign up fee then that would be fine, caveat emptor and all, I just wouldn't want them to hack into my credit card or something like that (not that there is a lot of money left on it anyways )

I'm pretty good at sussing out scams, but If this is one I don't know how exactly it would work. There's nothing about it that screams "scam" except that like i said, it seems to good to be true.
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#31187
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Top Ten of 2003.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/31187/action/topic#31187
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Originally posted by: Bossk
You didn't like Gangs of New York, motti? Wow. Hey, to each his own. I won't lambast you for it although you lambasted me for liking it.


I'm going to have to side with him, I hated GoNY. But in general I think Scorese is overrated, though he has made some great films like Taxi driver and Kundun.