Peter Pan

RogueLeader said:

I think I would have preferred something more nuanced, but I think it would be difficult to re-edit it too radically.

You may most certainly right on this one. And I can see your point of view, that Rey “defended herself”, although it was far from an act of compassion. Basically it was the reversal of the Fin not crashing the super gun.

I would like to see an edit which aims to replace the fight fire with fire approach with a peaceful solution. The grand finale of the Skywalker Saga can’t be hateful, but needs to be compassionate, that’s what being a true Jedi is all about and what Shmi was raising her son to be.
We have seen Rey heal monsters two times in this movie, Palpatine is like the ultimate monster and his body is crippled (look at his fingers, wehhh…), why not let her “heal” him during the scene in which Palpatine wants her to strike him down. She could disempower her literal evil grandpa and put him in retirement home (metaphorically speaking).

Maybe we could change the dialog of the force-time-call during Palpatine’s speech to “I know what I have to do…” and have them touch hands or hug and then cut to Palpatine screaming in terror, crushing his temple with force lightning, while his finger regenerate. You would have to work mainly with the sound design and maybe some closeups of their faces (and fingers lol). During the collapse of the temple or planet, Ben may save Rey via teleportation, resurrect her if needed and die. Ideally Ben would stay on Endor, because then Rey could burn his corpse the way Luke did with Vader. This would draw another desperately needed connection between Ben and Anakin, the bloody Protagonist of this show, who is absent during the whole third act.

Obviously most of this would require a lot f clever editing and I don’t know whether or not this is possible at all, but anyways this may be the place to make it happen.

Han and Leia should have just went by the name Skywalker. After all Alderaan is no more and Han got his name from a random imperial officer, why should he hold on to it?

Creox said:

I posted a short while ago about how I would have liked to see TROS remove the extremes of the Jedi and Sith orders and replace them with the “grey” as has been bandied about for a while now…I said I thought TROS brought a smidge of that to light but did not see it through.

I just read this comment in the following YouTube video about the Easter eggs in the movie (I got almost all of them but they aren’t that difficult to spot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajCKoU4x8k

The post is from someone called “Tyler Rice” and I was intrigued.

1. Anikan was created by palpatine, allowing palpatine to control how powerful he could become, while Rey, still from palpatine, was not under his control and was able to keep growing, and because the force chose her as the true chosen one it made her strong.

2. Rey and kylo form the dyad, two foce sensitive beings connected to become stronger, thing yin and yang. Rey came from darkness and went to light while kylo came from light and went to darkness. They form one complete chosen one, the dyad.

3. When they healed each other bits of their life force went into themselves meaning they exchanged energies , kylo with his dark energy and rwy with her light energy. In the end rey ended up with light and dark within her which is why she had a yellow saber in the end, she had officially become a grey Jedi, or Skywalker have you.

4. The prophecy always said that the chosen one would bring true balance to the force. Well after return of the Jedi, Luke was what was lefy, a Jedi. The force can not be balanced while one extreme side of the spectrum still exists. So when palpatine returned he took kylo so Rey and like remained. All the Skywalker’s died and kylo basically transfered his life force into her and her being a palpatine makes her lightpath still have darkness in it as well meaning she is a grey Jedi or Skywalker meaning that both pure Jedi and pure sith were gone forever, achieving real balance in the force.

Thoughts?

On paper this sounds well thought out, but what the grand finale shew was once more the destruction and ultimately the denial of evil. Without being aware of evil you can’t evaluate its influence on you nor have a balanced view.

DrDre said:

Mocata said:

This movie was hilariously dumb. A huge rickety mess that I laughed out loud during. I kinda liked it. But it’s not good.

My feelings exactly, intellectually I think it’s a pretty bad movie, but it still was very entertaining. Just shut down your brain, and you will have a terrific time.

At its core it was a two and a half hour rollercoaster, both in terms of enjoyment and the pacing.

DrDre said:

Creox said:

Peter Pan said:

Creox said:

act on instinct said:

But at what cost!?

As one who loved TLJ and the risks it took, I would say the cost was caving into fan service over originality. I really liked a lot about TROS but an extension of what Rian started would have been a lot better imo.

Just rewatched TLJ and have to agree, it is pure magic and imo easily the greatest Star Wars.

That’s saying something…seriously. I rank TLJ number three (or four depending on what day you ask)

I rank it at the bottom. For me it fundamentally clashes with the story and characters Lucas envisioned. I really don’t like the meta approach to Star Wars, even if I don’t think it is a bad film when viewed in isolation.

I can agree that TLJ greatest assets don’t have much to do with the rest of Star Wars.
Nonetheless I love it, with every viewing it keeps unfolding new ideas like no other SW does to me.

Creox said:

act on instinct said:

But at what cost!?

As one who loved TLJ and the risks it took, I would say the cost was caving into fan service over originality. I really liked a lot about TROS but an extension of what Rian started would have been a lot better imo.

Just rewatched TLJ and have to agree, it is pure magic and imo easily the greatest Star Wars.

What shall I say? I utterly enjoyed this movie and couldn’t stop smiling.
But the story had some flaws that really annoy me. First of all I was disappointed that they ignored TLJ almost completely. The is seemingly no hope in the galaxy, although reestablishing hope was one of the main themes from TLJ. Poe is still struggling to be a leader. Rey is still obsessed with the past. The portrayal of the Jedi has shifted back to the picture we got from the prequels and Rose got sidelined for Jannah, who serves basically no purpose, although her character could have been a set up for a big stormtrooper mutiny, which would have suited Fin’s character well.
But these are merely details, what really bugged me the most was their reluctance to move beyond the almost tiring good vs. evil showdown. Luke’s sacrifice from TLJ had left me with hope that the Jedi may finally become true peacekeepers and actual pacifist and Rey had the opportunity to do so. It may sound cheesy, in fact it is a horrible idealistic approach, plaese don’t crucify me 😃

Instead of fighting the guards, when Palpatine wanted her to kill and replace him, she should have embraced him, her literal evil grandpa. Think about it, the dark side feeds of hate, how is fighting fire with fire supposed to help anything? Acknowledging the evil, disempowering it by recognition and locking the pitiable, hateful creature up in a forgotten temple in a system, literally no-one knew it existed, would have been a far more powerful climax then the one we got.

This would have been the actual Jedi way. Instead of killing the dark side, she should have healed it. (remember she has already healed two monsters in the very same movie)

I‘d be very grateful, if somebody could share these with me.
Thanks in advance.

Hal 9000 said:

I’m just hoping C-3PO’s little accident with a battle droid’s body from AOTC doesn’t become a plot point in this movie.

Could… could you imagine the unique frustration I would feel taking that in on opening day?

Please no, I‘d be quite beside myself. Symbolism and imagery are fun, but this slapstick or Wicket’s/JarJar‘s antics were terribly out of place.

In my opinion the most exciting part of the trailer were, I am not kidding, 3POs red eyes.
I am sure, that 3PO symbolises Anakin/Ben. The red eyes must have a symbolic meaning.

A Godfather like thriller about the Hutts and their mafia syndicate.

THAT would be an offer, I couldn’t refuse.

RogueLeader said:

A crone-like villain would’ve been a fun idea, since we have yet to have a female villain in the films outside of Zam Wessell, who has only a few minutes of screen time.

You forgot Phasma and Qi’ra

What do you think about moving the Jamillia-scene and maybe the Leaving-Coruscant-scene with Padme and her handmaiden to the beginning of AOTC to point out the politics and the thread of an assassination attempt on Padme, if she’ll return to the senate.

This could add some tension to the Landingplattform-scene (Have these scenes actual names?) itself.

Has somebody a copy of this? I would really much enjoy checking them out.

Although it doesn’t really belong in this thread, does somebody know were I could find the deleted Padme scenes from ROTS in good/better quality. Thanks in advance.

I would say they need a bit more purple and less gamma, but I’m as unreliable as a critic of such matters as George is as a narrator 😉

Hmmm, I guess his journey is full circle too, right…

I don’t think this shmi-theory will be in IX. It doesn’t bring Anakin’s arc full circle. Only by wandering down the reylo road Anakin(Ben)'s story can be complete. There have already been enough evidence for this (similar concept arts, themes, shots) to say that the theory is pretty much a safe bet.

I’m more interested in how they will reveal that Ben is Anakin and Rey is Padme (if this is indeed the case) and how the fandom will react.

Nice work snooker, I like the idea, but in my opinion the images are too sharp.

paja said:

Peter Pan said:

Do you have an idea on how to integrate it in a fan edit?

At the moment, not really.

It could be Darth Jar Jar‘s palace in Otoh Gunga (mesa boom bad Sith)

Do we know on which planet the Deathstar wreck will be in TROS?
Maybe it could have been this city?

This feels like it is straight out of Blade-Runner 😉

Do you have an idea on how to integrate it in a fan edit?

IlFanEditore said:

Here it is.
Again, I really need suggestions on how to improve it.
https://vimeo.com/342544011
password: fanedit

Yoda uses Force Projection to fight Palpatine. The reason is that while Yoda is on the asteroid meditating, he’s witnessing everything that’s happening, and he hears Palpatine in his office saying: “Tell the captain to ready my shuttle. I sense Lord Vader is in danger”.
Yoda knows that Kenobi is going to fight Anakin, and if Palpy goes to help Anakin, Obi Wan is doomed. So he uses the projection to stall the Emperor, just like Luke in EpVIII.

*Color Correction (not finished).
Volume still needs work.
Less cringe from Anakin.
Shortened duel. I removed the way-too-fast parts, at least wherever I could.
I tried to remove the parts where Yoda and Palpy’s lightsabers keep their contacts.
Final music, which I think is kind of ok, but tell me what you think.
Yoda’s voicover from previous movies or previous moments from this movie.*

I liked that you cut most of the dialogue from the Anakin vs. Obi fight, it worked extraordinary well in combination with the music and voiceover.

Apart from that I think you should cut the Yoda‘s fingernails losing grip part, it is just to much physical interaction for a projection.

P.S.: I would try to remove the ray shields that protected the mustafar station and explain the massiv volcanic eruptions because of Anakins rage, this would be more fate of the universe like and Anakin would appear much more like an all powerful Chosen One. It would also suit him talking about his new powers, overestimating them and eventually leading to his downfall.

This radical take on AOTC sounds interesting, especially this Geonosis intro.
But could you please tell me how you will work around the sequence of Padme and Ani trying to save Obi and explain why they went to Geonosis again. I might have missed it while reading the thread.

Anyways it may be worth a try to move the whole Geonosis part to the beginning (maybe recolor them, btw your recolor looked nice) and just keep the Dooku fight (it could take place in Dooku’s evil tower, a mashup of Vaders Castle and the Orthanc 😉) and let the movie end with the creation of the Grand Army of the Republic and a declaration of war).
I am not completely sure how this could work (just an idea yet), but it would darken the tone a lot and fit the mood of the Anakin’s downfall. On the other hand the final movie may be rather short.

Wow, NeverarGreat really impressive how you used Star Wars symmetries to link the two timelines. On paper it looks epic, especially because it underlines these similarities (it rhymes!), I’m curious on how it would work in motion.