Peter Pan

A little radical idea for ROTS:
Push the Grievous plot back and let Cody shoot Obi-Wan during the chase scene so that Grievous survives.
Then cut Palpatine finding Anakin and use the hologram scene with Darth Sidious and Grievous and alternate Grievous line to: “…the loss of Skywalker”

Because Order 66 doesn’t happen before Anakin’s turn and Windu went to make sure that Palpatine returns his emergency powers after Grievous death, let Palpatine declare the empire as a reaction to the separatist attack on coruscant. This would explain Windus move against the chancellor and would also play well into Padmé’s politics plot.

Delpheas said:

RotJ:

Luke arrives to Vader unarmed, takes Vader’s saber to attack Sheev, Vader defends with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.

End on Luke burning Vader’s body

Why shouldn’t Luke attack with Obi Wan’s blade?
After all, Obi wan and Yoda ask him to fight Vader and Luke dropping the saber would conclude this conflict well.

On the other hand: what would be the motivation for Vader to fight with the very weapon that made him the machine he is?
Is it him holding on to the though of himself as irredeemable?

Could someone please help me with recoloring Anakin’s ship during the departing scene in ROTS from green to yellow?

Thanks in advance

Edit: already solved it

What do you think about opening ROTS with Dooku and Sidious discussing their plan, sth along the likes of: “The time is near for the Sith to rise once more, cleansing the galaxy from the filth of the Jedi”
The interrogation scene from AOTC might work, if Obi Wan could be replaced with a hologram of Sidious.
And then cut to the scene from AOTC with the Jedi and the chancellor discussing the (possibility of a) war and why it’s still lasting on. After this establish both Anakin’s visions involving his fear of losing Padmé and the spying on the chancellor plot. And then when the core of the conflict within Anakin is set, let the separatist attack coruscant and capture the chancellor. (off screen due to a lack of options)

How easily the separatist took the chancellor hostage might also work as the excuse for Windu to arrest Palpatine.

NeverarGreat said:

Although a 3-in-1 edit would have been neat, it’s probably unfeasible as you say. But a 2-in-1 ESB and ROTJ could be really good, and I had actually been thinking along those lines for a theoretical fanedit.

Open with Palpatine’s arrival at the partially destroyed Death Star. He senses Vader wants to continue his search for Skywalker, and says that Luke will eventually seek him out.

Cut to Hoth, and Luke’s misadventures in the snow. He is knocked out by the Wampa and remains offscreen while the Probe Droid plot is moving forward.

The Emperor dismisses Vader to go wait on the command ship, where he hears his officers talking of a transmission of the Probe Droid. Vader’s decision to follow it despite his master’s insistence that he have patience is now a foreshadowing of their familial connection and weakness.

The Imperial fleet arrives over Hoth as Han is still missing, looking for Luke, and then a search party is sent out and find Han even as the walkers advance on the base to drive up tension. Cut the Bacta sequence and skip straight to Luke suiting up and getting in a speeder.

The asteroid chase could again be cut in favor of simply putting the Falcon on the Star Destroyer.

Luke’s training could be shortened, Vader’s communication with the Emperor can be cut because of redundancy.

Lando and Leia escape Cloud city and jump to Hyperspace before the Vader/Luke battle is finished. When Luke calls out to Leia from the antenna, there is no response.

Tatooine. The band plays Baroque music and dancers twist their bodies to the beat. Han is seen in Carbonite against the wall. Night falls, and a masked figure arrives and rescues Solo. ‘Who are you?’ ‘Someone who loves you’. Shot of the Falcon flying away from Tatooine.

The Rebel fleet is assembled. The plan to attack the Death Star is underway, and cuts before Luke arrives. There is a montage of preparing for battle and the shuttle goes into Hyperspace.

Luke awakens in Bacta. a sinister droid places a device against the tube and he ascends. Form cut to the elevator shaft with lights rising on its surface. It opens and Luke appears beside Vader. Together they walk into the throne room. Cut after ‘you will call me master.’

The shuttle flies past the command ship. Repurpose footage of Leia sensing Luke’s presence from ESB on the Falcon. He senses her as well from the throne room. Luke says ‘You’re gravely mistaken. Soon I’ll be dead. And you with me’. The Emperor makes his speech about his plan.

The shuttle lands and the troops file out. Cut straight to them opening the door to the bunker and beginning to set the charges. The Ewoks arrive as a surprise to everyone. The rest of the battle, and the film, plays out as in the original. I don’t know how Leia as Luke’s sister would fit into this, but perhaps it could be cut altogether.

Interesting, but I have a little question, how would you handle Lukes new saber?
Personally I could think of two options:
a) recolor it blue and imply that its Obi-Wans
b) recolor it red and imply its Palpatine’s
I think option a) would work better

Yesterday I had an idea for a very radical edit and I wanted to share my thoughts with you.
Since I am no fan of palpatines return or Exegol for that matter, I have been thinking what the Way-finders might be apart from a TomTom for the Sith. What if the Way-finders were the dark side equivalent of those Jedi-Holocrons that contain lists of future Jedi?
But instead of charting force sensitive children, these list contain those that are easy to manipulate by the Sith and were used by Snoke to build the FO.
In order to remove Palpatine, the movie would start with Reys training and during that she will see Kylo through the force. Kylo is on Mustafar fighting who will now be Snokes most loyal servants to retrieve the artifact from Snokes palace. (it fits that it is on Mustafar, since he has a ring bearing ore from underneath Vaders castle) Rey will indentify the artifact as something she saw depicted in Lukes notes (can’t think of a better way to get them moving to Pasaana, sadly) and the plot continues normally.
After Ach-To Rey would join the space battle in Lukes X-wing, sending a signal that a) assembles the civil fleet and b) broadcast the list with the stolen children, causing many star destroyers throughout the FO fleet to cease fire.

Apart from these major changes, I would like to make some changes to the Death Star battle and the aftermath, yet I don’t know yet, how to achieve this. Anyways I think that after TLJ Rey should learn to take responsibility for her own actions as she has internalized by now that she is her own person. There are a few options to build on this theme. Firstly Rey should actively decide to take Lukes lightsaber. Then Chewies survival should either be postponed or cut. And finally Leias death shouldn’t enable Rey to stab Kylo, but rather her rage. Due to this incident she decides to go to Ach-To, speaks to Luke (although, please let the saber burn) and then has to confront Ben one last time, asking for the artifact, which in this version he wouldn’t have left in his ship. The last part is the difficult point, because I don’t know how to pull it off. (maybe a force time conference?) Yet it would conclude her journey towards taking responsibility very well.

P.S.: another little character twist related to the list-artifact-idea would be to reveal that Finn a) hasn’t been abducted by the FO, but joined them voluntarily or b) used to do civil service within the FO and joined the military voluntarily. Anyways the list-option would give Finn some more personal motivation for the quest.

omnimuffin said:

Peter Pan said:

omnimuffin said:

sade1212 said:

NeverarGreat said:
A potential direction would be to lean on the idea that Rey is a feral Force user who can’t distinguish what her power actually comes from. In that case when she confronts Sheev it is the first time her power is being put to the test, so it isn’t if she can defeat him but whether she can do it using only the light side that counts.

This was where I thought her character was going. After her snarl in TFA, “you went straight to the dark” in TLJ, and especially after her lightning in this movie, I felt it was clear she was using the dark side most of the time, even though she was using it to do good. After all, it is quicker, easier, and more seductive, and Rey always tended to be motivated by strong emotions. I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine. Instead we got a hilarious inversion of Luke throwing his saber away and refusing to fight: she force pulls a SECOND saber into her other hand, allowing her to more effectively EXPLODE Palpatine’s FACE.

I mean, is that what happened?

All Rey did was block/defend himself in that scene. Palpatine was killed by his own hubris, not Rey.

She deflected the lightning back at him, while walking at him. She could have deflected the lightning in any direction. To say that Palpatine killed himself is in my opinion as if to say that someone who threw a grenade at you and died of the explosion of said grenade, because you threw it back, committed suicide.
I’ll admit the comparison is a tad bit more extreme, but that’s roughly how I feel about Palpatine’s death.

You’re right, that IS an extreme (and ridiculous) comparison, especially since we have no evidence that you CAN deflect Force Lightning in any direction but towards the caster with a lightsaber (iirc, at least), since it’s reflected back at the caster every time it happens.

Anyway, meant to respond to this part in the original post…

I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine.

Do you mean, like, ‘All you want is for me to hate, but I won’t. Not even you?’

You can deflect it in any direction. Obi wan does so in AOTC.

Edit: yeah, this phrase is basically what I want.

omnimuffin said:

sade1212 said:

NeverarGreat said:
A potential direction would be to lean on the idea that Rey is a feral Force user who can’t distinguish what her power actually comes from. In that case when she confronts Sheev it is the first time her power is being put to the test, so it isn’t if she can defeat him but whether she can do it using only the light side that counts.

This was where I thought her character was going. After her snarl in TFA, “you went straight to the dark” in TLJ, and especially after her lightning in this movie, I felt it was clear she was using the dark side most of the time, even though she was using it to do good. After all, it is quicker, easier, and more seductive, and Rey always tended to be motivated by strong emotions. I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine. Instead we got a hilarious inversion of Luke throwing his saber away and refusing to fight: she force pulls a SECOND saber into her other hand, allowing her to more effectively EXPLODE Palpatine’s FACE.

I mean, is that what happened?

All Rey did was block/defend himself in that scene. Palpatine was killed by his own hubris, not Rey.

She deflected the lightning back at him, while walking at him. She could have deflected the lightning in any direction. To say that Palpatine killed himself is in my opinion as if to say that someone who threw a grenade at you and died of the explosion of said grenade, because you threw it back, committed suicide.
I’ll admit the comparison is a tad bit more extreme, but that’s roughly how I feel about Palpatine’s death.

Well, I haven’t really thought it out by now and it might well be a bad idea.
Anyways I would still keep Exegol around as the planet with the Sith fleet. But the Way-finder would lead Rey to Ach-To. Maybe Kylo didn’t visit Ach-To, because the Holocron needed to be opened and he couldn’t or was lead to an other place (Sith-fleet Exegol, maybe?) or maybe he just did not bother with the Sith (let the past die, etc.). My favorite idea to answer why he does not use the Way-finder is that he is afraid of what he might find. The oracle-scene (if it exists?) would really help to sell this point.

But anyways you are most certainly right that the movie would be rather short.

About the Way-finders: How about swaping 8 and 9, removing R2’s map to Ach-To and making Ach-To and Exegol the same planet.
Could this work?

Does anybody know whether and in case where a scene of Maz talking to Leia exists.
I only know the shot from the teaser.
Thanks in advance.

This sounds interesting, in general it would be nice, if we could see the importance of Luke Skywalker, the legend in TFA. We are only told that he is needed to restore hope, but its never shown that much. Look the stormtroopers that arrest Han, Chewie and Finn at Max castle before the Resistance arrives, do not even recognize Lukes lightsaber.
It would be interesting if Luke had more of a presence in the movie.
Maybe we could add a namedrop and a fitting reaction to the “castle-scene” or have Hux mention the Jedi in his speech.

Yeah and it worked with another shot from this film, but I couldn’t achieve any acceptable results with this one.
Although I must admit that I don’t know whether the method failed or just my attempt to apply it 😄

https://youtu.be/ASVgFHsZ3C4

This is the shot, it is from this fan film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sQE38mZ9jI

If somebody could isolate both the troopers and put them in front of a green screen, I’d be very thankful.

P.S.: Thank you for your reply act on instinct

This is a bit rude, BUT

does anyone want to rotoscope a shot for me?

“Help me,…You’re my only hope”

I am visiting a stage show in cologne.
There is no dress code.

Carnival is knocking on my door and I have no idea what to wear.

Help me, originaltrilogy.com, you’re my only hope…

IlFanEditore said:

The outdoor view of the Senate is astonishing!

+1
Could make a cool wallpaper.

I’m 179 cm

I would like to remove Palpatine and Exegol. My version would focus on the way-finders which Palpatine used to search for the origin of the dark side. During the fight in the Deathstar the FO would attack the Rebellion and the civil fleet would join them. After Bens defeat Rey would transmit the code to surrender from Bens tie-fighter to the FO. The movie would end after Ben and Rey destroyed both way-finders and their weapons.

FreezingTNT2 said:

pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

I know DJ was wrong too, but the movie explicitly tries to make a compromise between DJ’s beliefs and the beliefs of the Resistance, resulting in the whole “save the things you love” scene, which was one of the worst scenes of the movie in my opinion. Throughout the movie, it felt like Rian was trying to make it seem like the heroes and villains should find a compromise, which doesn’t seem like a good lesson for a franchise all about the light always winning.

I’m not sure I understand. “Saving what we love” isn’t about finding a compromise. It’s about caring more for helping people than killing others. It’s the very ethos of the franchise. Selflessness, and all that. Vader takes down the Emperor not because of hatred, but because of love for his son. The Jedi defend what they love, the Sith attack using hatred to fuel them.

I get people not liking the line because it’s on the nose, but the message is very important. I don’t know what it has to do with DJ’s line.

That line creates an inconsistency in Rose’s character: earlier she was fighting what she hated (animal cruelty) by freeing the Fathiers at Canto Bight, and yet she stops Finn’s sacrifice and tells him that Saving What We Love™ is more important than Fighting What We Hate™, resulting in the First Order’s giant laser cannon blowing up the metal door.

Uh, wasn’t she explicitly saving what she loved by freeing the fathiers?

She still prevents Finn from sacrificing himself and indirectly allows the First Order to destroy the door. Yeah, I know that Finn’s speeder probably wouldn’t have completely destroyed the cannon, but it could’ve at least damaged some of it.

Just a little theorizing over here, please don’t take me too serious.

What if Finn would have had destroyed the canon? The FO would have brought another canon. The Rebellion was trapped inside the cave and did not knew about the natural exit until the critters disappeared, which were escaping the giant laser that blew up the main gate (fun how Finn is the one pointing this out).

On another note, see how saving Finn, one single rebel, reinforces the theme of hope. Neither a dozen nor 400 will bring down the FO, but if all the oppressed people -like broom boy- rise as one there’s hope.

I don’t necessarily agree with the interpretation presented in the video, although I appreciate his switch of mind, because I think that TLJ is an exceptionally well crafted movie.
I think he mistakes the themes of the movie. TLJ is about moving on, but it should not be confused with abandoning the past. The ideologies which clash are always opposite perceptions of the case at hand: “bring back the Jedi”, “let the past die”; “fight for a cause”, “don’t join”; “act, distrust”, “react, trust”. And in the end the movie resolves every suspense between them: “The greatest teacher failure is”; “saving what we love”; “ignite the spark”.
I think he is loosing out on some more layers of meaning, but I agree that without these the movie is just alright.

Just discovered Dimash and now I am addicted. The man has THE voice, its unreal…

What I liked:
-lightsaber combat
-customizing your lightsaber
-BD-1
-sensing memories

What I disliked:
-too many and too big spiders(hated the jumpscares on Kashyyyk…grrrr…)
-no option to pacify enemies like animals or natives
-very few peaceful animals or natives
-no padawan mode: Jedi Knight was way too difficult (I know: I suck), but story mode was no challenge at all
-the story: *Who are the Zeffo?
*Where did they go?
*How does their understanding of the force distinguish from the Jedi’s or the Nightsisters’?
*too few dialog options

Things I would like to see:
-a city or village to visit: the one on Dathomir would have worked, if you would not have had to slaughter everyone
-more serious lore analysis featuring Cordova
-more interactions with the crew
-some sidequests like helping Saw or the people of Dathomir (I am hoping for DLCs)
-some cutscenes to show the hierarchy within the inquisitors and establish them as a constant thread

StarkillerAG said:

Peter Pan said:

Fun fact regarding force powers:
There has not been a single episode, which has not introduced or teased a new force ability in some way or another.

Really? From my memory Force powers remained mostly stagnant during the prequels. Aside from Force running, which was only used for one scene, there really weren’t any new Force powers in those movies.

I’ve heard people use that argument as a justification for the sequels using the Force as an excuse, but aside from some major changes in ESB and ROTJ there weren’t many new Force powers in the Lucas saga.

TPM: better reflexes and the infamous force-running
AOTC: absorbing force lightning
ROTS: creating life

Technically these were new additions, but I got to agree that apart from “creating life”, which was only mentioned to manipulate Anakin, they felt much more familiar than freezing lasers, force projection or healing and were not highlighted that much like in TLJ or ROS.