Peter Pan

I just rewatched TPM and had a funny little idea for an edit, which I’ll just dump in here 😄

So I thought that the initial conflict concerning trade deeds might be exchanged for a growing tension between the Gungan and the Naboo. In this version the Trade Federation might have been summoned by the Naboo, who are unable to stay against the Gungan military and the Jedi would have been dispatched to prevent a civil war. Captain Panaka has a line about the Naboo security force being unable to face a battle-hardened army, which might be put to good use to expand upon this idea.

Overall I feel as if this would add a lot to both Amidala entreating for the Gungans support and the ending scene showing the Gungan and Naboo declaring peace. (why is this scene even in this movie, when they never were at war?)

So that’s it for now, I’d love to hear some of your thoughts, have a nice day.

thanks

Does somebody know of a clip of Sir Christopher Lee using the word clone(s)?

Anakin Starkiller said:

So do you plan on removing all allusions to the Clones being on the Republic’s side? Not only does that sound like a nightmare but I just don’t see the point.

Not exactly, in my head the clones would still end up fighting for the republic, because they simply paid more than the original customers, which were some later separatist in lead with Sifo-Dias.
Maybe there is a way to imply that Jango was supposed to receive the army for the separatists, he would tie the clones origin closer to the separatist and the war in general.

The point is mainly that I just dislike how the Jedi do nothing to investigate the clones shady origin, which includes the completly unknown Tyrannus, the bounty hunter Jango Fett, who later works for Dooku, who disappeared roughly around the time of the creation of the clones and the death of one of their fellow Jedi knights.

And on top of this stupid behavior on behalf of the Jedi, Sidious big Masterplan is just not thought out and rest upon Obi-Wan finding this army by accident, although the Sith tried to hide Kamino in the first place by erasing the archives memory.
So Sidious Plan is apparently expect-the-unexpected to the power of C3POs stochastics, and I just don’t buy that.

In my opinion cutting the plot about Kamino being wiped from the archives memory and giving some sort of cover up story for the clones would lift most of these inconveniences. Atleast apart from Obi-Wan hitting on this crucial part of Sidious Plan by accident, but maybe he used Jango to guide him there or something. Overall I think that this would be much easier to follow for the audience, once we learn that Dooku is Tyrannus and yet raise less suspicions that should be obvious to the Jedi and everybody in the Senat.

P.S.: I’m not yet finished 😄
On top of that, Dooku turning in this movie would show him change from an unifier trying to settle a war into a tyrant starting a crusade against his former allies, in whom he lost fade, due to them being responsible of the conflict he has just settled and the lack of support they refused to offer him.
I think this would make for a very interesting read of Dooku and give him some graspable motives, which he was desperately missing in AOTC and the prequels as a whole.

An idea for AOTC:
Establish in the opening crawl of AOTC that the events of TPM and the sub sequential fall of Nute Gunray caused the Trade Federation to crumble and sparked a civil war. Furthermore republic forces, lead by the former Jedi Count Dooku, have been tasked to settle the conflict. The footage from the Battle of Geonosis could be used to show Dookus crusade, maybe in a montage or something.

Now here comes the actual clue, tell that the Clone Army has been ordered by former members of Trade Federation. This resolves the mystery around their creation and prevents any more investigation by the Jedi due to urge to weaken the enemy, by snatching their army.
Disconnecting the clones from the republic army, shown prior in the edit, should be doable, because there are actually just 2 shots of the Clones wearing their armor while on Kamino.

To top things off, Dookus alliance with the the separatist could be hidden until after Obi-Wan got captured, and played as a twist when Anakin and Padme go to Geonosis (which would now be a warzone) to rescue Obi-Wan and seek out Dooku for help. Dookus turn would sort off mirror Landos in Empire and especially the deleted scene where Padme tries o bargain with Dooku would fit perfectly, albeit some adjustments would be necessary.

What do you think?

Has somebody ever used bails declaration of rebellion speech from the force unleashed in a fan edit of ROTS?
Could go well with the “stirring in the senate” scene.

I had an overly complex and hilariously ambitious idea on how to fix Anakin before and during the final battle with Obi-Wan. But let me point out my thoughts 😛

Restructure the end of ROTS, so that after Obi-Wan went to ask Padmé for help in is quest to duel Anakin, 3PO contacts him during the night, because Padmé was poisoned. Obi and 3PO fly her to Mustafar, where the early Rebel alliance has been formed (note, the separatist were sent elsewhere). After their arrival the medical droid attest that she has been poisoned and that they have to operate quickly to save the babies (cut Yoda and R2s presence).
After the birth of the twins, Anakin shows up and confronts Obi-Wan, during their fight we see the Tantive IV leave, Obi-Wan follows soon after.

This way Anakin would have an actual reason to fight Obi-Wan, who denies him to see his dying wife and new born children and it would explain his hate against the jedi and show the manipulative nature of his relationship to Paladine: Although it seems unreasonable for the jedi to kill Padmé, it is the only thing that Anakin can allow himself to believe. Because otherwise Palpatine, the only other person involved with this whole mess, needs to be responsible, but that would mean that there is no way of getting her back, which Vader does not dare to believe.

P.S.: Although many of these switches seems impossible to pull off, I have managed to both change Polis Mesa to Mustafar and create an alternate beginning for the duel.
The only thing still missing is 3PO informing Obi-Wan, haven’t got an idea yet, maybe I could use some footage from the assassination attempt from AOTC, idk… Anyways I would be very grateful for any help or response in general, stay safe to you all, I appreciate anybody who took the time to read 😄

Elton John’s “The King Must Die” during “Palpatine’s Arrest” please…

Based on the structure Nev outlined I tried to make 1-6 into a cohesive story.

Everything up to Yoda sensing young Skywalker’s pain and Shmi’s funeral including R2 interrupting.
Luke decides to become a Jedi and the party speed to Mos Eisley and stop in front of the cantina.
Obi-Wan discovers the factory and hears Dooku talking about the Death Star.
On board of the MF Obi-Wan senses a disturbance in the force, Luke makes his first steps and the party lands on the Death Star.
Obi-Wan and Anakin board the Invisible Hand and R2 locates the chancellor.
On the MF the party leaves their hiding, Obi-Wan leaves to deactivate the tractor-beam, R2 locates Leia and Luke, Han and Chewbacca go to save her.
Anakin and Obi-Wan enter the lift aboard Grievous’ ship.
Luke and Han talk in the lift.
Anakin and Obi-Wan have trouble riding the elevator and R2 has to help. Anakin jumps back into the elevator.
Cut to Han landing inside the trash compactor before Anakin lands inside the elevator.
Keep the trash compactor sequence and Obi-Wan deactivating the tractor-beam.
Anakin and Obi-Wan engage Count Dooku.
Obi-Wan faces Vader.
Luke and Leia run from the Stormtroopers and nearly fall down the chasm.
Anakin, Obi-Wan and the chancellor hang inside the elevator shaft, drop and throw their hooks.
Luke throws the hook and Luke and Leia swing across.
Obi-Wan dies, the party escapes from the Death Star and Luke mourns Old Ben’s death.
Padmé comforts Anakin and he tells her that she’ll die in childbirth.
Anakin ask Yoda for guidance.
Match Anakin lowering his head and Vader kneeling in front of Palpatine’s hologram.
Luke realizes who Yoda is.
Anakin finds out about Palpatine’s identity. Fade to Anakin’s nightmare.
Luke trains with Yoda and has a vision of his friends.
The MF is chased into the asteroid field.
Cut from the MF flying through the ‘cave’ to Obi-Wan flying into the hole on Utapau.
Anakin and Palpatine meet in the opera, Palpatine tells him that Grievous has been found and about Plagueis.
Luke enters the dark side cave on Dagobah.
Vader employs bounty hunters to track down the MF, the falcon is found and disappears from the stardestroyer’s scanners. Captain Needa leaves to report Vader.
Anakin reports to Windu, who leaves to arrest the chancellor and orders Anakin to wait in the council chamber.
Luke leaves Dagobah.
Anakin contemplates in the council chamber.
Luke encounters Vader and drops.
Anakin interrupts Windu and turns. Yoda senses the catastrophe and Order 66 happens.
Yoda leaves Kashyyyk and Bail Coruscant.
The rebel fleet gathers and prepares for the attack on the Death Star.
Obi-Wan learns about Anakin’s turn and Yoda orders him to face him.
Luke is brought before the Emperor.
Luke’s lightsaber is recolored to be Obi-Wan’s and his fight against Vader is intercut with Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling on Mustafar.
The ending of ROTJ plays out as usual.

I was experimenting with a shot from TCW that shew Grievous fleet leaving hyperspace from the bridge of a republic cruiser.
Starting with the pan down on the cruiser followed by the separatist fleet approaching and Grievous introduction from ROTS (new dialog) turned out alright. Nonetheless it is a massive shift of pace and some shots of the space battle heating up would greatly benefit the flow. By now I have only experimented a little with TCW footage which obviously looked a bit off. But I might look into this again.

Idea for a radical edit of ROTS:

Move the reveal of Palpatine’s real identity to as early in the movie as possible and show Anakin’s struggle to stay loyal to the Jedi, because he knows that they would kill his only hope to save his wife and children.
The aim is to portray Anakin’s downfall as a result of his incapability to make a choice out of fear of the consequences and his unwillingness to accept his lack of control.

To achieve this I would open the movie on Coruscant with Palpatine’s scheming and the spy plot up to the opera scene, but minus any mention of Anakin’s nightmares or Yoda’s department to Kashyyyk. Directly after Palpatine’s “not from a Jedi” line soft transition to Anakin and Padmé talking at night and the following scene with Yoda.

After this cut to Anakin visiting the chancellor to ask him to hear Padmé’s plea to let diplomacy resume. Add implying dialog to the beginning of Palpatine’s reveal as the Sith Lord. Directly afterwards play Anakin’s second nightmare scene. (maybe I can make Anakin imply that the chancellor won’t react to the senator’s appeal)

After this we see Yoda leaving coruscant and show the third scene from the seeds of the rebellion plot line.
Then use Dooku’s arrival on Coruscant from AOTC as a transition to the separatist attack. Use Grievous’ “our hostage has arrived” line from the Malevolence arc and add “with Count Dooku” or something like that.
Then tweak Palpatine’s dialog before Anakin beheads Dooku to make him more “sith-y”.

After they have crashed on Coruscant cut most of Anakin and Obi-Wan talking and Anakin’s reunion with Padmé, cut directly to Grievous arriving on Utapau and the council discussing on who they are going to send.
I would like to keep Anakin’s wish to go, but without any advice from the chancellor. Ideally he would say something like “I want to go”, because he looks at it as an opportunity to escape the influence of both Palpatine and the Jedi.
It would also underline that the Jedi do not grant Anakin an opportunity to face his inner darkness for which Grievous serves as a beautiful allegory, since he is a literal proto-Vader and more machine than man.

Last but not least, change the councils reason to make a move against Palpatine. Let him create the Empire to force the Jedi to go against him and force Anakin to pick a side.

I hope I managed to express myself somewhat comprehensible, I would like to hear some of your thoughts on this slightly overambitious idea for a bad editor like me 😄
Well, you grow with the challenge, right?

Turn ROTS into a psychological nightmare for Anakin by moving the Palpatine is the Sith Lord reveal to earlier in the movie and show Anakins struggle not to tell anyone because he wants to save Padme all the while trying to maintain the status quo by keeping Palpatine’s identity a secret.
Palpatine would eventually force a choice on Anakins side by provoking the Jedi to take action against him through the creation of the Empire.

I am curious, could you please send me the link.

Maybe ad in a line to Palpatine’s dialog to Grievous that implies that he is planning to get rid of him.
Sth like:
“Your loyalty won’t be forgotten general”

Although I think that Grievous fate isn’t really important, but I would love to imply that Vader killed him.
This could be done with a close up of Vader’s fist, while hearing Grievous choking followed by the sound of metal hitting the floor. This little sequence could be squeezed in between the hologram scene and Vader’s first appearance on the star destroyer and you could ad Palpatine’s “you have done well Lord Vader” while they are supervising the creation of the Death Star, to finally conclude the chapter of Grievous.

While we’re at it why not include a reference to the clone wars episode about the giant kyber-crystal on Utapau to the hologram scene?

Anyways back to the question, I really think that Grievous fate is really that important and could well be left ambiguous.

A little radical idea for ROTS:
Push the Grievous plot back and let Cody shoot Obi-Wan during the chase scene so that Grievous survives.
Then cut Palpatine finding Anakin and use the hologram scene with Darth Sidious and Grievous and alternate Grievous line to: “…the loss of Skywalker”

Because Order 66 doesn’t happen before Anakin’s turn and Windu went to make sure that Palpatine returns his emergency powers after Grievous death, let Palpatine declare the empire as a reaction to the separatist attack on coruscant. This would explain Windus move against the chancellor and would also play well into Padmé’s politics plot.

Delpheas said:

RotJ:

Luke arrives to Vader unarmed, takes Vader’s saber to attack Sheev, Vader defends with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.

End on Luke burning Vader’s body

Why shouldn’t Luke attack with Obi Wan’s blade?
After all, Obi wan and Yoda ask him to fight Vader and Luke dropping the saber would conclude this conflict well.

On the other hand: what would be the motivation for Vader to fight with the very weapon that made him the machine he is?
Is it him holding on to the though of himself as irredeemable?

Could someone please help me with recoloring Anakin’s ship during the departing scene in ROTS from green to yellow?

Thanks in advance

Edit: already solved it

What do you think about opening ROTS with Dooku and Sidious discussing their plan, sth along the likes of: “The time is near for the Sith to rise once more, cleansing the galaxy from the filth of the Jedi”
The interrogation scene from AOTC might work, if Obi Wan could be replaced with a hologram of Sidious.
And then cut to the scene from AOTC with the Jedi and the chancellor discussing the (possibility of a) war and why it’s still lasting on. After this establish both Anakin’s visions involving his fear of losing Padmé and the spying on the chancellor plot. And then when the core of the conflict within Anakin is set, let the separatist attack coruscant and capture the chancellor. (off screen due to a lack of options)

How easily the separatist took the chancellor hostage might also work as the excuse for Windu to arrest Palpatine.

NeverarGreat said:

Although a 3-in-1 edit would have been neat, it’s probably unfeasible as you say. But a 2-in-1 ESB and ROTJ could be really good, and I had actually been thinking along those lines for a theoretical fanedit.

Open with Palpatine’s arrival at the partially destroyed Death Star. He senses Vader wants to continue his search for Skywalker, and says that Luke will eventually seek him out.

Cut to Hoth, and Luke’s misadventures in the snow. He is knocked out by the Wampa and remains offscreen while the Probe Droid plot is moving forward.

The Emperor dismisses Vader to go wait on the command ship, where he hears his officers talking of a transmission of the Probe Droid. Vader’s decision to follow it despite his master’s insistence that he have patience is now a foreshadowing of their familial connection and weakness.

The Imperial fleet arrives over Hoth as Han is still missing, looking for Luke, and then a search party is sent out and find Han even as the walkers advance on the base to drive up tension. Cut the Bacta sequence and skip straight to Luke suiting up and getting in a speeder.

The asteroid chase could again be cut in favor of simply putting the Falcon on the Star Destroyer.

Luke’s training could be shortened, Vader’s communication with the Emperor can be cut because of redundancy.

Lando and Leia escape Cloud city and jump to Hyperspace before the Vader/Luke battle is finished. When Luke calls out to Leia from the antenna, there is no response.

Tatooine. The band plays Baroque music and dancers twist their bodies to the beat. Han is seen in Carbonite against the wall. Night falls, and a masked figure arrives and rescues Solo. ‘Who are you?’ ‘Someone who loves you’. Shot of the Falcon flying away from Tatooine.

The Rebel fleet is assembled. The plan to attack the Death Star is underway, and cuts before Luke arrives. There is a montage of preparing for battle and the shuttle goes into Hyperspace.

Luke awakens in Bacta. a sinister droid places a device against the tube and he ascends. Form cut to the elevator shaft with lights rising on its surface. It opens and Luke appears beside Vader. Together they walk into the throne room. Cut after ‘you will call me master.’

The shuttle flies past the command ship. Repurpose footage of Leia sensing Luke’s presence from ESB on the Falcon. He senses her as well from the throne room. Luke says ‘You’re gravely mistaken. Soon I’ll be dead. And you with me’. The Emperor makes his speech about his plan.

The shuttle lands and the troops file out. Cut straight to them opening the door to the bunker and beginning to set the charges. The Ewoks arrive as a surprise to everyone. The rest of the battle, and the film, plays out as in the original. I don’t know how Leia as Luke’s sister would fit into this, but perhaps it could be cut altogether.

Interesting, but I have a little question, how would you handle Lukes new saber?
Personally I could think of two options:
a) recolor it blue and imply that its Obi-Wans
b) recolor it red and imply its Palpatine’s
I think option a) would work better

Yesterday I had an idea for a very radical edit and I wanted to share my thoughts with you.
Since I am no fan of palpatines return or Exegol for that matter, I have been thinking what the Way-finders might be apart from a TomTom for the Sith. What if the Way-finders were the dark side equivalent of those Jedi-Holocrons that contain lists of future Jedi?
But instead of charting force sensitive children, these list contain those that are easy to manipulate by the Sith and were used by Snoke to build the FO.
In order to remove Palpatine, the movie would start with Reys training and during that she will see Kylo through the force. Kylo is on Mustafar fighting who will now be Snokes most loyal servants to retrieve the artifact from Snokes palace. (it fits that it is on Mustafar, since he has a ring bearing ore from underneath Vaders castle) Rey will indentify the artifact as something she saw depicted in Lukes notes (can’t think of a better way to get them moving to Pasaana, sadly) and the plot continues normally.
After Ach-To Rey would join the space battle in Lukes X-wing, sending a signal that a) assembles the civil fleet and b) broadcast the list with the stolen children, causing many star destroyers throughout the FO fleet to cease fire.

Apart from these major changes, I would like to make some changes to the Death Star battle and the aftermath, yet I don’t know yet, how to achieve this. Anyways I think that after TLJ Rey should learn to take responsibility for her own actions as she has internalized by now that she is her own person. There are a few options to build on this theme. Firstly Rey should actively decide to take Lukes lightsaber. Then Chewies survival should either be postponed or cut. And finally Leias death shouldn’t enable Rey to stab Kylo, but rather her rage. Due to this incident she decides to go to Ach-To, speaks to Luke (although, please let the saber burn) and then has to confront Ben one last time, asking for the artifact, which in this version he wouldn’t have left in his ship. The last part is the difficult point, because I don’t know how to pull it off. (maybe a force time conference?) Yet it would conclude her journey towards taking responsibility very well.

P.S.: another little character twist related to the list-artifact-idea would be to reveal that Finn a) hasn’t been abducted by the FO, but joined them voluntarily or b) used to do civil service within the FO and joined the military voluntarily. Anyways the list-option would give Finn some more personal motivation for the quest.

omnimuffin said:

Peter Pan said:

omnimuffin said:

sade1212 said:

NeverarGreat said:
A potential direction would be to lean on the idea that Rey is a feral Force user who can’t distinguish what her power actually comes from. In that case when she confronts Sheev it is the first time her power is being put to the test, so it isn’t if she can defeat him but whether she can do it using only the light side that counts.

This was where I thought her character was going. After her snarl in TFA, “you went straight to the dark” in TLJ, and especially after her lightning in this movie, I felt it was clear she was using the dark side most of the time, even though she was using it to do good. After all, it is quicker, easier, and more seductive, and Rey always tended to be motivated by strong emotions. I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine. Instead we got a hilarious inversion of Luke throwing his saber away and refusing to fight: she force pulls a SECOND saber into her other hand, allowing her to more effectively EXPLODE Palpatine’s FACE.

I mean, is that what happened?

All Rey did was block/defend himself in that scene. Palpatine was killed by his own hubris, not Rey.

She deflected the lightning back at him, while walking at him. She could have deflected the lightning in any direction. To say that Palpatine killed himself is in my opinion as if to say that someone who threw a grenade at you and died of the explosion of said grenade, because you threw it back, committed suicide.
I’ll admit the comparison is a tad bit more extreme, but that’s roughly how I feel about Palpatine’s death.

You’re right, that IS an extreme (and ridiculous) comparison, especially since we have no evidence that you CAN deflect Force Lightning in any direction but towards the caster with a lightsaber (iirc, at least), since it’s reflected back at the caster every time it happens.

Anyway, meant to respond to this part in the original post…

I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine.

Do you mean, like, ‘All you want is for me to hate, but I won’t. Not even you?’

You can deflect it in any direction. Obi wan does so in AOTC.

Edit: yeah, this phrase is basically what I want.

omnimuffin said:

sade1212 said:

NeverarGreat said:
A potential direction would be to lean on the idea that Rey is a feral Force user who can’t distinguish what her power actually comes from. In that case when she confronts Sheev it is the first time her power is being put to the test, so it isn’t if she can defeat him but whether she can do it using only the light side that counts.

This was where I thought her character was going. After her snarl in TFA, “you went straight to the dark” in TLJ, and especially after her lightning in this movie, I felt it was clear she was using the dark side most of the time, even though she was using it to do good. After all, it is quicker, easier, and more seductive, and Rey always tended to be motivated by strong emotions. I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine. Instead we got a hilarious inversion of Luke throwing his saber away and refusing to fight: she force pulls a SECOND saber into her other hand, allowing her to more effectively EXPLODE Palpatine’s FACE.

I mean, is that what happened?

All Rey did was block/defend himself in that scene. Palpatine was killed by his own hubris, not Rey.

She deflected the lightning back at him, while walking at him. She could have deflected the lightning in any direction. To say that Palpatine killed himself is in my opinion as if to say that someone who threw a grenade at you and died of the explosion of said grenade, because you threw it back, committed suicide.
I’ll admit the comparison is a tad bit more extreme, but that’s roughly how I feel about Palpatine’s death.

Well, I haven’t really thought it out by now and it might well be a bad idea.
Anyways I would still keep Exegol around as the planet with the Sith fleet. But the Way-finder would lead Rey to Ach-To. Maybe Kylo didn’t visit Ach-To, because the Holocron needed to be opened and he couldn’t or was lead to an other place (Sith-fleet Exegol, maybe?) or maybe he just did not bother with the Sith (let the past die, etc.). My favorite idea to answer why he does not use the Way-finder is that he is afraid of what he might find. The oracle-scene (if it exists?) would really help to sell this point.

But anyways you are most certainly right that the movie would be rather short.

About the Way-finders: How about swaping 8 and 9, removing R2’s map to Ach-To and making Ach-To and Exegol the same planet.
Could this work?

Does anybody know whether and in case where a scene of Maz talking to Leia exists.
I only know the shot from the teaser.
Thanks in advance.