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#1470702
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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EddieDean said:

  • In ROTS, when Anakin wields a blue and red saber to decapitate Dooku, illustrative of him making the transition to the dark.

It actually funny that you mention this scene specifically, because I was thinking of it as well in comparison to my edit, yet I saw it as a nice parallel. But to be fair I’m a sucker for parallels, I love movies like hot fuzz, that you can watch 20 times and each time you will notice another tiny parallel between two scenes.
But people have different taste and opinions, that’s the point of a forum, isn’t it?
I can see your arguments against the change and I understand them. And rest assured I am neither trying to change your opinion and start a big fuzz over it nor do I feel attacked by your criticism of the idea. Quite the opposite it show’s me that people engage with what I was putting in the hour between 2 and 3 in the morning instead of going to bed. (sleep is for the weak) And I think we can all agree that engagement is generally our preference to radio silence.

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#1470693
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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EddieDean said:

The red Maul saber is a nice addition, and well done, but I feel like there’s important symbolism in Obi-Wan taking up Qui-Gon’s saber (and metaphorically his quest) at that point. They’ve had their disagreement and made up about training Anakin. Obi-Wan the padawan falls, and Obi-Wan the knight rises, inheritor of Qui-Gon’s ideals.

Interesting interpretation, I never thought of it this way. I guess there are arguments for both keeping the saber qui-gon’s or changing it to maul’s. I think making it maul’s is a classic example of a Chekhov’s gun, it’s cut in two so that Obi can use it later on. Also visually I like it, it’s symbolizing that revenge is not the Jedi way and to me Obi using his master’s blade to kill Maul always felt a little like him taking revenge for him.

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#1470650
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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T-202 said:

Peter Pan said:

Version 2.0 of the balcony scene, all jarring cuts removed by just not cutting back at all 😉

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qGjqTuUfP5uX6soZAY5sENl_BazjQFnK/view?usp=sharing

I think this works much better, also I really liked how you did the assassination attempt!

Thanks, the blaster fire is actually an old clip from snooker, I only changed the color of the blade. The original should be on this thread as well, just a ‘few’ pages back…

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#1470649
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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RogueLeader said:

Are you also making Anakin’s first saber green?

Not really no, I changed AOTC structure, the movie starts on Geonosis now. I got the idea from an age old thread on this site: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Emanswfans-Prequel-Trilogy-Ep-II-Opening-Clips-Now-Available/id/14784

So Anakin and Obi-Wan just keep the sabers they get handed in the arena. I know there are the wrong handle, but thats not bothering me that much.

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#1470397
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Mrebo said:

Peter Pan said:

Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

Today I played around with the scene you suggested and frankenbit something together, as Eddie would say. 😉
Its not perfect, I don’t particularly like the specific wording of the line I came up with, but I think this gets the idea across.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17C_nZGiBtV2jcEP5i1e0jCEQ4uqb13gS/view?usp=sharing

Good thought having it play in the background, it does seem to be a tough section to cut visually given how they continue walking through.

Yup, I am also trying to figure out the rest of the scene, because they continue talking about politics, with no apparent reason whereas in the original they were talking about Padmé and this lead to Obi-Wan vocalizing prejudice against politicians.
Maybe I’ll expand on the Anakin is frustrated with the Jedi angle. There are some lines, that could fit, like “I know, attachment is forbidden” or “I haven’t seen her in ten years”.

In general keeping Anakin at lot more rebellious might work for the story. Almost pushing it so far that it looks like he might leave the Jedi, would be very interesting I think. Here is a brought story outline of what I have in mind:
He joins the Jedi with the intention to help people and specifically free slaves, then ten years later he hasn’t really gotten to that and is feed up with the Jedi and their way of life. He is on the brink of leaving them to be with Padme, but the Republic goes to war with the Separatist and that’s why he stays a Jedi, because he feels that this is where he is needed the most.
Some details that would really make this work, would be to A) let Anakin and Padme know each other or even be a thing from the get go of AOTC and B) make the separatist slavers and change the title crawl to explain that they left the republic due to Padme pushing reforms in the senate.

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#1470330
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

Today I played around with the scene you suggested and frankenbit something together, as Eddie would say. 😉
Its not perfect, I don’t particularly like the specific wording of the line I came up with, but I think this gets the idea across.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17C_nZGiBtV2jcEP5i1e0jCEQ4uqb13gS/view?usp=sharing

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#1470093
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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RogueLeader said:

Hahaha, I can’t believe you did this, and so quickly…

I can’t give timecodes, but I think Jar Jar only has 3 scenes in AOTC.

  1. When Obi and Anakin reunite with Jar Jar and Padmé.
  2. Chancellor and Senators are debating what to do about the crisis near midpoint or end of act 2. I don’t think Jar Jar actually says anything here.
  3. Jar Jar gives emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.

In ROTS, all he says is “Excuse me” when all of the politicians came out to welcome the Chancellor back from being rescued.

There is also the scene where Padme tells him to replace her in the senate while she’s in hiding.

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#1469997
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I think there is a way to tie Anakin not being permitted to see his mother and him becoming a Jedi Knight.
Adding a line to the balcony scene where he tells Obi about his dreams might be enough to establish that he must first pass the trials before he can go see her. With this change all of the complaining about Obi not letting him move on would be understandable and it would immensely benefit ROTS.
This would explain his strong fixation with becoming a Jedi Master and his frustration with the Jedi. Because now the situation with Padme would not just be exactly the same as with Shmi, as it is in the movie.
No now the Jedi are also to blame for not letting Anakin help his mother and are denying him their help again, by not making him a Jedi Master.

Also this might help explain why the Jedi or anybody never helped Shmi, though that remains a gigantic plot convenience, especially if I look at Padme: “Slavery is outlawed in the republic. But I, THE QUEEN OF AN ENTIRE PLANET, won’t help the mother of the boy who saved said planet.”
That’s some real gratitude right there…