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#1322445
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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FreezingTNT2 said:

pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

I know DJ was wrong too, but the movie explicitly tries to make a compromise between DJ’s beliefs and the beliefs of the Resistance, resulting in the whole “save the things you love” scene, which was one of the worst scenes of the movie in my opinion. Throughout the movie, it felt like Rian was trying to make it seem like the heroes and villains should find a compromise, which doesn’t seem like a good lesson for a franchise all about the light always winning.

I’m not sure I understand. “Saving what we love” isn’t about finding a compromise. It’s about caring more for helping people than killing others. It’s the very ethos of the franchise. Selflessness, and all that. Vader takes down the Emperor not because of hatred, but because of love for his son. The Jedi defend what they love, the Sith attack using hatred to fuel them.

I get people not liking the line because it’s on the nose, but the message is very important. I don’t know what it has to do with DJ’s line.

That line creates an inconsistency in Rose’s character: earlier she was fighting what she hated (animal cruelty) by freeing the Fathiers at Canto Bight, and yet she stops Finn’s sacrifice and tells him that Saving What We Love™ is more important than Fighting What We Hate™, resulting in the First Order’s giant laser cannon blowing up the metal door.

Uh, wasn’t she explicitly saving what she loved by freeing the fathiers?

She still prevents Finn from sacrificing himself and indirectly allows the First Order to destroy the door. Yeah, I know that Finn’s speeder probably wouldn’t have completely destroyed the cannon, but it could’ve at least damaged some of it.

Just a little theorizing over here, please don’t take me too serious.

What if Finn would have had destroyed the canon? The FO would have brought another canon. The Rebellion was trapped inside the cave and did not knew about the natural exit until the critters disappeared, which were escaping the giant laser that blew up the main gate (fun how Finn is the one pointing this out).

On another note, see how saving Finn, one single rebel, reinforces the theme of hope. Neither a dozen nor 400 will bring down the FO, but if all the oppressed people -like broom boy- rise as one there’s hope.

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#1322158
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I don’t necessarily agree with the interpretation presented in the video, although I appreciate his switch of mind, because I think that TLJ is an exceptionally well crafted movie.
I think he mistakes the themes of the movie. TLJ is about moving on, but it should not be confused with abandoning the past. The ideologies which clash are always opposite perceptions of the case at hand: “bring back the Jedi”, “let the past die”; “fight for a cause”, “don’t join”; “act, distrust”, “react, trust”. And in the end the movie resolves every suspense between them: “The greatest teacher failure is”; “saving what we love”; “ignite the spark”.
I think he is loosing out on some more layers of meaning, but I agree that without these the movie is just alright.

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#1321049
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<em><strong>Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order</strong></em> (Video Game)
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What I liked:
-lightsaber combat
-customizing your lightsaber
-BD-1
-sensing memories

What I disliked:
-too many and too big spiders(hated the jumpscares on Kashyyyk…grrrr…)
-no option to pacify enemies like animals or natives
-very few peaceful animals or natives
-no padawan mode: Jedi Knight was way too difficult (I know: I suck), but story mode was no challenge at all
-the story: *Who are the Zeffo?
*Where did they go?
*How does their understanding of the force distinguish from the Jedi’s or the Nightsisters’?
*too few dialog options

Things I would like to see:
-a city or village to visit: the one on Dathomir would have worked, if you would not have had to slaughter everyone
-more serious lore analysis featuring Cordova
-more interactions with the crew
-some sidequests like helping Saw or the people of Dathomir (I am hoping for DLCs)
-some cutscenes to show the hierarchy within the inquisitors and establish them as a constant thread

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#1320701
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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StarkillerAG said:

Peter Pan said:

Fun fact regarding force powers:
There has not been a single episode, which has not introduced or teased a new force ability in some way or another.

Really? From my memory Force powers remained mostly stagnant during the prequels. Aside from Force running, which was only used for one scene, there really weren’t any new Force powers in those movies.

I’ve heard people use that argument as a justification for the sequels using the Force as an excuse, but aside from some major changes in ESB and ROTJ there weren’t many new Force powers in the Lucas saga.

TPM: better reflexes and the infamous force-running
AOTC: absorbing force lightning
ROTS: creating life

Technically these were new additions, but I got to agree that apart from “creating life”, which was only mentioned to manipulate Anakin, they felt much more familiar than freezing lasers, force projection or healing and were not highlighted that much like in TLJ or ROS.

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#1319801
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Then what’s the finale?

“What are looking at me for?” Listen to Starkiller.

EDIT: I haven’t got a clear plan in mind, but I would like to see a finale with the main focus on the fight against the FO and especially the civil fleet. Ideally Ben and Rey should lead them from the falcon. Some sort of a Stormtrooperrebellion or at least a scene of Kylo freeing these enslaved soldiers would be a great addition too.

EDIT2: And most importantly we should never see Exegol or cultist. Our protagonist’s obsession with the past and legacies should literally be the distraction, which keeps them from defeating the FO.
On top of that I would like to imply, that the obsession with the past and their predecessors, namely the Empire or Exegol (just invent another ancient Sith-Empire) should be the thing that keeps the FO running.

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#1319779
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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A bit radical, but…
…what do you think about removing Palpatine and the fleet of deathstardestroyers (why is this even a thing???) entirely and keep the Wayfinder and the Sith homeworld as merely another shadow of the past, which Kylo seeks to destroy.
Maybe give him !one! deathstardestroyer or a (few) dreadnaught+ to raise the stakes.

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#1319490
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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Darth Lucas said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

There’s a big difference between levitating yourself and crushing a colossal warship with telekinesis. I doubt any Force save perhaps Yoda and Palpatine have the strength to do that.

Size matters not…

…but your heritage

EDIT: This is a crude matter.

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#1318599
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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Recently I have been thinking about Rogue Leaders idea regarding the stormtrooper on Snoke’s ship. I like the idea, but I think such a scene would benefit Finn’s character from TFA better.
In TLJ Finn’s struggle is not to renounce evil and escape, but in TFA it is. So seeing other stormtroopers showing passive resistance would fit TFA better.
In TLJ it would not add much to the story, because Finn’s arc is to fight for a cause bigger than himself and stormtroopers resigning the fight does not enforce this trope.

Luckily I think we could create a scene like this for TFA.
The first shot would be Finn peeking around the corner, the first shot from inside SKB after the arrival of the resistance is almost perfect. Then we will use the shot of the two stormtroopers that evade Kylo’s rage after Rey’s escape. Some vfx may be needed to erase those sparks, although the whole left part of the screen could be covered using a still image. (thank god it’s a static shot 😃 )
This could be intercut with a reaction shot of Finn and maybe a closeup of the stormtroopers lowering their weapons.
What do you think?

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#1317812
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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EddieDean said:

RogueLeader, YES. There’s been a lot of chat about other elements of the sequel trilogy but TROS absolutely drops Finn’s plot off a cliff, and it needs something like this to make it relevant throughout the full trilogy. Overdubbing the stormtroopers is a great idea, and a solution for TROS also needs to be found. I wish there were some way we could have elements of the First Order fleet turn against the Final Order fleet, but that’s likely beyond our scope.

Maybe some Stardestroyers could stop firing during the finale. If there is a way to keep Hux until the end, we could reuse his small hologram from the opening of TLJ asking why they aren’t fighting.

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#1317803
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

snooker said:

I wish there was a way to make Finn and Poe smooch in the finale aaagh

Still need some time to think about it but I may have an idea for how we can imply something between them.

Change Finn’s line during the quicksand scene from Rey… to Poe…

Edit:
Your idea about Finn’s influence on other Stormtroopers sounds great.

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#1316357
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

That’s a fair question, but it applies equally to the original TFA. I bet that Resistance shoe covers it.

Well in the original cut, the SKB destroyes the Republc and the laser beam is visible across the galaxy. That the FO has a new superweapon is obvious. But these clues are missing from restructured.
Possible replacements that came to my mind where:
A) Hux speech broadcasted on the Holo-Net
B) Finn informing the Resistance (requires a slight restructure of the D‘Qar scenes; Finn Talking to Leia would need to be trimmen and placed directly after their arrival on D‘Qar)
C) Place Reys interogation shortly after the Takodana fight and connect the Reylos mindbattle to Leia receiving a vision, which shows the destruction of the Republic, etc. (this could also tie in nicely with the force connection between Ben and Leia.

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#1316303
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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I really like the idea to remove the Deathstar aspect of SKB.
And based on his, what do you think about removing the second part of the map altogether.
The map the Resistance received from Lor san Tekka may be incomplete or damaged and on D’Qar Finn is lying to the Resistance, telling them that the FO has the missing information, because he just wants to save Rey.
And during Kylos interogation of Rey she has a vision of Ahch-To, which leads her there in the end and explains why the Resistance sent her as well.

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#1316298
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Just finished watching it, really great work Hal and a shoutout to anybody that has been involved.
The restructure really improves the finale. But one thing bothered me and I don’t know if this has been pointed out already. How does the Resistance know about SKB and its weapon power? The “Inform the Republic” scene and Finn being introduced to Leia scene imply that they do, although it has been build in secret and hasn’t been used yet.(Poe even refers to it as the base and the weapon-system)

Somehow the Resistance has to find out about SKB, maybe show that Hux Nazi-speech has been broadcasted across the galaxy?

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#1313895
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

If it doesn’t have to impact the story at all, I guess you could replace the trooper’s comment about the Knights of Ren with something like, “I’m gay.”

With the difference that this is on the same plain as two women kissing each other in the background for 1 bloody second, a bit weak in my opinion and truly useless.
With Paige and Rose it is different, in the beginning Paige is in the main focus of the movie and her relationship with Rose is shown through the amulet, which Rose has to “sacrifice” to save the rebellion against their oppressors. And even better DJ returns it to her.

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#1313892
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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EyeShotFirst said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Peter Pan said:

Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.

jaw drops Why make Rose lesbian?

I’m of the Taika Waititi camp, that if it doesn’t serve the story, a scene hinting at sexual orientation is just useless. If we’re trying to normalize things, we should treat those characters as people. I never had to see who Luke wanted to sleep with, to follow his story.

I just don’t know how you could pull that off, without a lot of work.

Fair enough, it wouldn’t serve the story in any way, but nonetheless I would like to see a LGBTQ character in SW especially after they promoted TROS for doing it.
In terms of editing I would simply cut every moment Rose mentions her sister or try to replace sister with something like ?wife?, ?spouse? or ?partner?.(I am no native speaker, I don’t know exactly which one is appropriate, could somebody please help me out?
And then I would cut the kiss and the “not fighting what…” line.

It’s a bit of an uphill battle, just to offend some people who probably wouldn’t see the cut anyway. I would love to see a gay Star Wars character…but I want there to be more substance to that character, besides their orientation. The Mandalorian would still be a good show, if the protagonist ended up gay, because there’s more to them than that. It’s just a problem I see with Disney at times, where the political statement is more important than the story.

I agree that building a character around queerness is stereotypical and that it isn’t worth it, if my single goal was to offend these people, but because Rose has seemingly died in-between 8&9, I think this is a golden opportunity. During the holidays I will toy around with the ideas, if it works out well, perfect, if it doesn’t, who cares?

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#1313730
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The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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The way she is holding the bundle makes it difficult to sell the baby idea. Maybe you could edit her covering the child with her right arm instead of holding on to the wall. Ideally you could insert an over the shoulder shot (the women merely in the frame) with the child’s face in the foreground and Fin lowering his weapon in the back.

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#1313705
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.