PaulisDead2221

Alright. I've given it some thought, and I've compiled a special, excessively cheap prize for the user who proves they've seen these three movies way more than anyone else. It's a super special banner to put in your signature, complete with your username proclaiming you, the Star Wars Trivial Pursuit Champion. You just post the link in your signature. As long as you maintain your domination over everyone else, you keep the banner. If anyone surpasses you, I break the link, and create a new one for the current champion. There needs to be some sort of system for new-comers to be able to compete against users who've been playing since round one, but I don't know what it is yet. First champion will be crowned at the end of round ten.

SCOREBOARD:

Gaffer Tape 11 POINTS

astromech 6 POINTS [tied]

dumb kid 6 POINTS [tied]

Hot Rod 5 POINTS

Mier 4 POINTS

ROUND 3

What open rectangular feature does a Star Destroyer have on its underside? 1 POINT

What did Chewbacca do during the escape from Tatooine, while Han calculated the hyperspace jump? 2 POINTS [dumb kid]

Who bravely assumed full responsibility for losing track of the Falcon, and then apologized to Lord Vader? 3 POINTS [Gaffer Tape]

Who was the first Rebel pilot to die during the first Death Star battle? 3 POINTS [hot rod]

Who did George Lucas describe as a "cynical, world-weary pessimist"? 5 POINTS [Mielr]

What character was referred to as "the Critter," during early story meetings for The Empire Strikes Back? 6 POINTS [astromech]

Gaffer Tape said:

Who was sitting immediately behind Luke Skywalker when Luke's landspeeder entered Mos Eisley?

C-3PO

And I don't know. The only idea I have right now is to simply keep up with the scores of everybody who participates and then list them at the beginning of every round. It's your game, so I suppose it ends when you say it does... and whoever has accumulated the most points wins! Wins what? Well, of course, the honor of having won! And it is only one response per round allowed, right? And I also assume that once a question has been accurately answered, it's off the table...

EDIT: Oops, I see you already did all that in your updated first post.

Doesn't have to be just my game.  It can be our game :)

Nice start everybody. It's a little tough finding questions up to the caliber here. Can you believe one of the questions reads "What actor played Luke Skywalker?" I can't really think of a goal or way to win, much less any system of reward for winning the game. If anybody has any ideas, you can post them here.

The number of stormtroopers who broke into the Death Star control room was 6.

Scoreboard:

dumb kid 6 POINTS

Gaffer Tape 5 POINTS

astromech 3 POINTS

Hot Rod 1 POINT

ROUND 2

What group did the Emperor dismiss as "insignificant"? 1 POINT

What was Luke's two-word response when Han told him to be careful before the Battle of Hoth? 3 POINTS [astromech]

What planet's landmarks include the North Ridge? 4 POINTS [HotRod]

What was Luke Skywalker's rank in the Rebel Alliance during The Empire Strikes Back? 4 POINTS [Mielr]

Who was sitting immediately behind Luke Skywalker when Luke's landspeeder entered Mos Eisley? 6 POINTS [gaffer tape]

How many rats were seen crawling in Jabba the Hutt's dungeon window? 6 POINTS

TRIVIAL PURSUIT: STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY THREAD

I found my old Star Wars original trilogy trivial pursuit game. In the spirit of the Pop Quiz thread over at fanedit.org, I thought I’d break out some cards and ask some questions. Scores are recorded and updated in the first post after each set of questions have all been answered. Points are assigned to a question using the plastic R2-D2 random number generator that comes with the game. Only answer one question per round.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

STP: EPISODE III: SCOREBOARD [UPDATED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ROUND]:

HotRod 25 POINTS

see you auntie 20 POINTS

Mielr 18 POINTS/****2 Assist Trophies

bkev 18 POINTS

Moth3r 15 POINTS

Johnny Ringo **14 POINTS/1 Bone/**2 Proton Torpedoes

astromech 14 POINTS/1 Rancor with Rancor Pit

ROUND: ONE

How many X-wing starfighters were destroyed while flying through the second Death Star? 6 POINTS [dumb kid]

Who described the transmission from the Hoth probe droid as “the best lead we’ve had”? 1 POINT [Hot Rod]

Who was the first Rebel snowspeeder crewman seen killed in the Battle of Hoth? 3 POINTS [astromech]

How many stormtroopers broke into the Death Star’s hangar control room? 5 POINTS

How many times did Luke deactivate his lightsaber in his duel with Vader on the second Death Star? 2 POINTS [dumb kid]

Who covered Biggs while he destroyed a deflection tower on the Death Star’s surface? 5 POINTS [Gaffer Tape]

About the 1997 subwoofer channel:  That's an interesting point you bring up about the authenticity of using the lfe from the 1997 mix.  If I understand correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong), Star Wars originally used a 'baby-boom' sub-woofer effect for the six track (simply amplifying low frequencies in that channel), so I don't know how I feel about nixing the 1997 lfe for the cheap 1977 lfe effect for the sake of authenticity.  Luckily it'll be some time before I get access to the 97 mix, so I'll have time to think about it I suppose.

Oh I see,  I was thinking of a trailer for one of the home video releases.

Neat, haven't seen some new covers in awhile.  Although, isn't Star Wars the story of a boy, a girl, and a galaxy?

Fjodin said:

I have 3 uestion to adywan:

1) I know that you removedse wampa scene,but could youadd it in DVD Bonus, like you've done with Jabba? i realy like this Wampa.

2) Why you removed scene when vaders shutle flys from Bespin to SSD?

3)i hope you dont delete SE Max Rebo Scene from ROTJ. I REALY like it. :)

PS. I love your Ep4! Its better than original! :)

2) The problem with the shot inside the executor is that it is a recycled shot from the opening scene to Return of the Jedi. It's just like--'what the hell?' I personally don't have much of a problem with the scenes of Vader's shuttle taking off, and traversing through space. I understand some people say it slows down the pacing of the escape of the Millenium Falcon, but I think it provides a little expansion to what everybody's doing at the moment.

Ady, what do you think of the star maps so far? I love the brighter stars in both your last edit and in this one, but have you thought about working on the star maps to make them a little more realistic? Maybe star clusters, or milky way-like formations strewn across the screen could give a sense that these planets do indeed exist in a galaxy far far away. It would be interesting to see the action take place against a backdrop of stars that looks more like what you see when you look up into the sky on a clear night.  If it was at all feasible, I think it could be real cool to see probe droids searching a galaxy that looked like this.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70mm-mix-to-93-mix-comparison/topic/6501/

Oh yeah, never mentioned, Ripplin. Nice avatar.

I cannot wait for this. About the crawl, am I nuts, or is the GOUT opening shot (including the crawl, pan down and the ships flying overhead) look noticeably better than the rest of the movie? Apart from the whole non-amamorphic-ness the film source looks good to me, I wonder what it is...

I believe the consensus is that the opening shot must have been captured from a proper film source, and was edited in from the opening logo, to the subsequent shot after the initial pan down. It makes for a great source if I can just get the aliasing off the edges in the back lines.

Yeah, I reconsidered using the 2004 mix.  I'm in talks of obtaining the optical captures of the 1997 SE 5.1 mix.  Those seem to be much better than the 1997 upmix that's been floating around.  It will be GOUT synched (just as my whole project is GOUT synced).  I can mostly spot the major differences between 93 and back, and I have a forum page saved with information on some of the more subtle additions in 1993 and on (extra lasers and such).  I'll definitely compile a test mix for the right people.

Mielr said:

Maybe it's a false memory, but I swear that when I first saw ESB theatrically in 1982,
Han's "and I thought they smelled bad on the outside" line was a different take in
the version I saw (compared to all the subsequent video versions I'vd seen).
I have no idea if the theatrical showing I saw was 35mm or 70mm (was there even a 70mm re-issue of ESB?)

I haven't seen the 8mm version, however. Was that scene included?

There's a difference in that take between most home video releases and the ESB DVD.  The version in the 2004 DVD is from the 70mm mix.

I didn't want to do an update until I had something new to show.  I got a few really good looking encodes going, and I wanted to post screenshots, but it could use some more tweaking.  I'm having an issue with a strange jitter every second.  Seems to be because Adobe Premiere reads my HD source as 23.00 fps instead of 24.  Right now I'm just working on reassociating some files and figuring out the jitter.  I'm only completely lost on a few things:

1) The opening matte lasers are proving to be kind of tough, I could either overlay the lasers from the opening of the GOUT, which would be idea, and authentic.  What I'll probably have to do though, is redo each one, which is fine, except the HD video moves so slow and all.

2) The opening crawl looks great, until it recedes about four lines up, and major aliasing appears on the edges.  I either need to learn to recreate the crawl on my own, in HD res or higher, to avoid aliasing, or put an antialiasing blur on the crawl four lines up.  Again, the only issue with either is the cumbersome work involved with HD running.

3) There's four transitional wipes that Premiere can't do because it won't feather the edges properly.  The four wipes include, R2 in the canyons, the wipe to Ben's hut, the wipe to the cliff overlooking Mos Eisley, and the wipe to the entry in Mos Eisley.  I've been looking for programs to do just those shots with, but can't seem to find a program my computer is up to par with, or a program that will do the wipes right, or that I can work up to the learning curve for.

Anyway, besides that, everything's going fine.  I have a small side project in which I'm trying to create an general approximation of the original six track mix.  Sources include the 2004 SE DVD 5.1 surround track, the 1997 SE 5.1 surround track, the stereo six track mix preservation from Belbucus, as well as the isolated score.  The idea is to repair/re-approximate/mix/rework the various mixes into a 5.1 experience of the original six track.

So it's still moving.  If anyone has any advice, or help, it would be greatly appreciated.  I might be able to post new screenshots in the next few days or so.

Perhaps if you decide to go back to a 480p release, you can encode the HD color corrected work at 480p, and start on that as your master file.  There shouldn't be any quality loss, since it's been down-converted from a 1080p source, and it would free up a ton of space, and speed up rendering time, having excised the multiple layers of color passes.  Of course it wouldn't be free of further tweaking after the first few passes, but it seems as though it would free up a lot of work.

adywan said:

Kurgan said:

 

As an addendum, to make this about Star Wars movies, so Ady doesn't put me on ignore ;) I'm going to say... please don't modify the lines in ROTJ about Leia and Luke's mother at all. Mess with Revenge of the Sith. Please no more toying with the Originals to "make them fit" with the Prequels. That's Lucas' fault, and it shouldn't be taken out on the original movies, no matter how many "ESB is better than ROTJ" fanboys there are out there. People agree that Hayden replacing Shaw was a travesty (and I say BRING THE DANGED EYEBROWS BACK! Put CG eyebrows on Hayden if you have to in ROTS, I don't care... but Shaw looks far worse without them)... don't add to it!

There, rant over. In four years, I hope people remember I said that!

I'll be changing ROTS to fit in with the RORJ conversation. i have a few ideas of how to do it , but thats a few years off yet. As for the eyebrows then i have to disagree there. i prefer them gone. After all he was badly burned and hair is one of the first things to be burned off. I hate it in movies when some one has been set on fire and their hair is still there. The funeral Scene in TPM annoys me. Qui-Gon is burning but his hair isn't touched. It just becomes totally unrealistic. Losing the eyebrows was one of the changes GL did that i actually agree with. But Hayden in ROTJ has to go.

Ziz said:

Adding some more explosion to cover the disappearing bridge would be the easiest fix. That's probably what ILM wanted to do at the time but it slipped past, because if you look close at the shot, it looks like they did the hold-out matte for the explosion element but didn't comp an actual explosion back in.

I'm gong to re-do the FX for that shot so we see the bridge damaged after the explosion. It may yet mean doing a completely different FX shot for that one.

Octorox said:

Also, I think Ady should make a ROTJ thread now so we can discuss these things ahead of time.

I don't think starting a ROTJ:R thread yet is a good idea. It will just distract me from ESB:R and i need to concentrate on one film at a time .

ImperialFighter said:

Adywan, at the transition 'wipe' (1:22:08 PAL 'timing') which changes from Luke's X-wing flying away from 'Dagobah' to a reveal of Bespin 'floating city' in white clouds, I miss the movement and roar of the orange twin-pod vehicle that came directly towards us in the original GOUT version. It was removed in the SE, and replaced with a 'floating gas refinery' instead. The 'floating gas refinery' is fair enough, but I'd sure like to see the movement of a twin-pod vehicle back here, which gave the original shot a bit more life. There are a few existing elements which could be used or 'flipped' for this (either coming at us or away from us), and it's just something else to consider come the time.

 

yeh, i miss the cloud car fly by too. The problem is that, now i am working in 1080p, using any footage from the GOUT is now out of the question. I was going to add the car back in but it will really stick out . But i never liked the addition of the gas mine as it stands now. it just looks so fake to me. I'm going to be doing new FX footage for that shot.

Sluggo, that AT-AT picture i've never seen before. It definitely looks like it was originally filmed for ESB. Those pics have actually given me a few ideas for the Hoth Battle now too.

Well the colour correction is taking a lot longer to do thanks to the 1080p res. So no updates for a while.

You'd be surprised at what motion stabilization and proper color matching of sources can acccomplish.  I think using the GOUT PWNAGE avisynth script, upconverted to 1080 lines of resolution would look just fine.  I'm just speaking from experience, watching test encodes mixing 480p non-anamorphic and 1080 high def images.  Especially when it will just be the cloud car element, put through a stabilization script, I think you can pull it off easy.  Then again, maybe an entirely new fx shot is necessary.

adywan said:

rlockhart said:

Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?

I will be starting from scratch so everything will be in 720p. All the project files ahve been saved so its just a matter of dropping in the 720p source foir the colour correction first pass. shouldn't take me too long to catch up with what i ahve done already. 1080p is impossible to work with on a project like this due to all the colour correction and FX work i will be doing. Even a quad core can't cope with all the work being done. it just crawls or grinds to a hault

I'm not sure what your video editing program is (you told me once, and I forgot. Vegas?).  Anyway, when I did Batman: Year One in 1080p, I did it with Adobe Premiere Pro.  As long as your video editing program has multiple video tracks, this will work.  I put the 1080p version on video track one, then above it, on video track two, I put a 480p version of the same film, frame accurate to the HD version.  I then set video track one to be invisible, and just made sure that every change I made to my visible 480p footage, was also done to the 1080p version.  Basically, every edit you make is made twice, then when it was time to encode, I set video track one to be visible, and video track two to be invisible.  It still slows things down excessively, but only during the final encoding stage.  I'm not sure if this information may be helpful to you, or how stressful, if implemented, it would make editing with all the color correction/fx layering you do (which I would imagine takes up more than two video tracks).  But I thought you might find a way to temper the method to make 1080p editing work for you.

bkev said:

PaulisDead2221 said:

Originally posted by: iSamurai
Anyways, the showing went alright, not as well as we had hoped, but not bad. This is probably because most of the Seniors/Juniors have sports after school. I've talked to many of them and they said that they would have liked to go, but had to go to practice. So I'm thinking we might to a back-to-back showing for ESB.

Yeah a lot of people I talked to too. Jocks you know...go figure. I just don't know if I can sit through Empire twice in a row.

Updates:
-Isolated score is synced up.
-Empire is being shown next week instead of this week, and Jedi two weeks later, giving me three weeks to work on Jedi.

You know, I forgot about Jedi. Did you ever work on that?

No :(.  I got swamped and we just planned to show OCP's Jedi.  Of course a variety of things happened after that and we never actually got around to showing Jedi anyway.

Dunedain is right in this case, Empire was the first one I did, sourced from the DVD, with the 2006 DVD release of Empire used as the alternate source.  It's not technically "beta", though with what I'm doing now, I kind of consider it beta, maybe just consider it the version that I liked until I realized I could do better.  It was generally well received when it was released over a year ago.  If anybody would like a copy, they can PM me and we can set it up, the torrent for it (at least the original one that I, myself, posted) has been dead a long time.  I'm not sure if anyone has posted torrents for it since (.avis for example)

I'll be editing ESB and ROTJ much differently than I'm editing ANH right now.  It wasn't until I edited my Batman edit (Batman: Year One) as well as my Batman vs Superman crossover edit, that I figured out a very efficient way to edit HD material (for a fucking Bats vs Supes edit, you need to be able to work pretty efficiently! lolz).  Editing Star Wars now is very slow as my computer can't render the HD frames in Adobe Premiere very quickly, but ESB and ROTJ will get the boost of speed from all I've learned about doing Hi-Def complex editing structures from my HD fan-edits.  If hard drive space provides, I may do them side by side, releasing them that much more quickly.  ESB 2.0 may end up being released last, as we find out more about what we're doing with this 35mm print of Empire.

Thanks for the continued interest everybody :)

Yeah, I wanted to ask Pittrek about the "five mixes" for Star Wars in the project he's working on.  I only have 4 :(.