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#290871
Topic
Star Wars - The Vintage Edit (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/290871/action/topic#290871
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Do you absolutely have to restore the crappy original mattes of the soldiers on the sides of the door?

Ha, yeah I hated to do it too, but it must be done!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/DeathStar--Aurabesh2.jpg

Yeah so, though it's completely illegible and you'd never know the difference anyway, that's good old fashion English written up at the top of the screen instead of that damn Aurebesh.

So my idea wasn't to take the stars from the GOUT or a laserdisc transfer, but to chroma key the black out of the 2004 footage, and have underneath it the same 2004 footage, with the brightness and contrast brought up a bunch. I got the stars I wanted in one .avs file, but I couldn't get valid arguments inputed into my color key mask .avs file. I'll chalk that one up to me just not knowing what I'm doing. If anyone can tell what could be wrong with these arguments in the colorkeymask section:

Layer("Matte2.avs", ColorKeyMask("ANH_HD_Darkened.avs", $00000, 10), "add", 255, 0, 0)


In general news, the battle of Yavin is done, most everything before the Falcon enters the Death Star is done, so I'm just closing in on the middle. I'm having a great time just kinda doing this thing a little bit every day now that school's out and I have all this free time. Summer rules.
Post
#289149
Topic
Star Wars - The Vintage Edit (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289149/action/topic#289149
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Well, it's going fine. Not a lot of huge updates. I have only nine days left in school at this point, so it's not like there's homework of course, just wrapping up a lot of things. Prom night was last Saturday, so I got some time to work on the project cause it was a great break from having my head inside an oven (tear...). I put up another one of my own matte fixes in the first post.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/ThroneRoom.jpg

I haven't run into the same weird things that I ran into in Empire. I've run mostly into hue adjustment issues, which I've taken care of manually. So all is good. On a scale of 1-10, it's hard to say the difficulty of the histogram work in avisynth. The histograms have really helped with taking care of small details, I couldn't have gotten white walls on the Tantive on my own, but I definitely needed to go in myself and make sure C3PO was the right hue and everything...I suppose a 3 or 4 in difficulty, getting it to look good enough to start editing with.

Okay, actually, this shot is pissing me off:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/NoStars.jpg

I've tried everything to get the stars back here, it's one of the rare shots where there still aren't a reasonable number of stars that can be seen in a properly lighted room, even with an HD source and brightened video. I've tried a chroma key function to get rid of the black and put a layer of bright stars underneath it, but it does that thing where the non black parts start getting all choppy, you know what I'm talking about? It's not in this frame. Well anyway, maybe it's the quality of Premiere Pro's function, I might give avisynth's layer function a shot, hopefully it's better.

Does anybody know how to do a chroma key in avisynth? The manual didn't have any specific examples in the layers section.
Post
#288368
Topic
The Empire Strikes Back - The Vintage Edit (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288368/action/topic#288368
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I didn't have to mostly. Most shots I just dragged and dropped. The jitter you're seeing Ocp has told me comes from like a frame rate conversion in his editing program. The good thing about this edit is that there's consistency, either GOUT or 2004, never both in the same shot. But it also suffers in this way by taking huge leaps in quality shot to shot. In terms of color differences, I did some color correction to GOUT footage to match surrounding footage.

If I take a stab at more of Ocp style matte fixes, there won't be that jitter, and due to the improved nature of GOUT DVD as an alternate source, color might be easier to deal with as well.
Post
#288211
Topic
The Empire Strikes Back - The Vintage Edit (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288211/action/topic#288211
Time
ANH is going pretty good.

I'm glad to hear your kids are enjoying my edit . I don't know your kids' age, but my greatest fear with all this Special Edition crap is that one day a post 1997 Star Wars fan is watching the 2004 DVD and actually says "the graphics were really ahead of their time in 1977."

It sends chills down my spin, don't laugh, I've actually heard it said before...
Post
#288210
Topic
Star Wars - The Vintage Edit (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288210/action/topic#288210
Time

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/VintageEdit--Poster.jpg

This is an attempt to recreate the original version of Star Wars, using the best sources available. For the color, I used the auto-correcting, avisynth based histogram technique developed in this thread, combined with pretty much shot by shot manual adjustment. To get rid of the special edition material from the film, I used a variety of sources.
 

VIDEO SOURCES

-h.264 encoded HD broadcast of Star Wars: A New Hope

-2004 DVD of Star Wars: A New Hope

-2006 DVD of the original unaltered Star Wars: A New Hope
 

AUDIO SOURCES

-5.1 Optical capture of the 1997 Star Wars Special Edition

-Theatrical stereo surround mix

-1993 Laserdisc mix

-Theatrical mono mix

-Isolated score
 

SCREENSHOTS (not all quite finished)**

 
RELEASE SPECIFICATIONS

BD9 (1080p AVC Blu-ray disc)

-DVD-9 (480p Mpeg-2 DVD)

AUDIO

-5.1 Theatrical Dolby Six-track Mix

-2.0 Theatrical Dolby Stereo Surround

-Theatrical Mono Mix

-2.0 1993 Definitive Collection Mix

-2.0 Isolated Score

Post
#287487
Topic
Episode III: A Less Grievous Version (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287487/action/topic#287487
Time
Originally posted by: kerr
Guess I got the terms mixed up, venetian blinds is indeed the one I'm using. I've also removed all (I think) of the weird scene wipes you refer to.


Oh no you didn't mix up anything. I mean venetian blinds was one of the wipes I think were used that were really weird. That and the checkerboard pattern. Very cool you've kicked those. I thought there might not be enough room on either side of the transition for a comfortable shift for those couple of scenes.
Post
#286200
Topic
The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286200/action/topic#286200
Time
Originally posted by: C3PX
I would say Star Wars is really a classic rather than a pop-phenomenon. Sure it has a lot of baggage trailing behind it, and the vast majority of that baggage is crap. But honestly, who actually says Star Wars is their favorite movie? Who even watches Star Wars anymore? Everybody watches ESB, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS, they only watch Star Wars for good measure, but most would admit to it being slow and boring. But then there are those of us who watch Star Wars in the same way we watch Casablanca. If Star Wars was still only Star Wars, I don't think too many kids today would even care about it except for loyal sci-fi and film fans. I think Anchorhead has it right. Take away all the baggage and ignore it and you have a fantastic story. Keep all that baggage and you have a a pile of tripe you almost have to feel ashamed for even trying to like. Star Wars is a classic. I would even say that the original triology is a classic. The PT is simply a rash on the teet of the cash cow. Something that unfortunately hits every great work of fiction if it is too popular for its own good. Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, and the Lord of the Rings are three of my favorite stories in their original forms (film, film, and book respectively) that have way too much baggage attached to them that drag their quality through the mud. All three could be considered pop-phenomenea, but are also all undoubtably classics. In the end, the originals are still available and the baggage can be ignored. I think it is less rather than more that makes/will make these tales classics.


It could be the video quality of any release of ANH ever put out, fan or official otherwise.

I had just edited One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (which is also a "classic", like Star Wars, can be boring) last year in my English class, it was a sort of "book cut," I added some trippy effects to emulate the 60s psychedelic feel of the book, tried to work the Chief into the movie as a background narrator, like in the book, rather than a simple spectator, just seeing if I could do it, plus get some practice fanediting and get some school credit as well. Anyway, I was working off an old, nonanamorphic DVD of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest, so the quality was terrible, but I had to watch the film over and over, as it is with fanediting. So when my class watched the film as a follow up to the book, I thought I'd be really bored. But somebody brought in the new special edition DVD, anamorphic, color corrected, basically put together like any standard DVD release. I just watched the TV screen in utter amazement the whole time! I was completely enraptured by the film, all because of the quality of the video. The walls were white, there was no grain whatsoever, and the picture clarity was amazing. I was just into the film, though I'd watched it so many times--like--that week to get my project done. It's the same thing with something like maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey, who could watch--like--an old pan and scan VHS of that movie and show any interest at all? You need HD, you need to see the stars, read the labels on the ships, see each and every little detail.

Anyway what I mean is that we don't have a good looking Star Wars yet at all. The GOUT is basically like the old One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest DVD, and the proper DVD release, of course, is oversaturated, too dark, blue this, green that, and the annoying changes. There just isn't a proper way to watch it after we've all seen it soooo many times, as nerds will do. All I mean is, Star Wars is kinda slow as it goes into the second act, true, but it might be it just hasn't been seen right since 1977, so when you watch it, you just tune out.
Post
#286084
Topic
Episode III: A Less Grievous Version (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286084/action/topic#286084
Time
One thing I liked about Grievous was his theme music, sounded a little too much like Harry Potter (which in turn kinda sounds like Schindler's list, haha), but was still very cool to hear when his ship lands on...that planet he lands on. Anyway, I also think it would be awesome if he were gone, but maybe you could reinstate his music elsewhere, cause his theme was the really only interesting bit of music in the whole PT (besides Dual of the Fates of course, which was milked for all it's worth to sell sell sell).

What kind of tools are you using?
Post
#285366
Topic
The Empire Strikes Back - The Vintage Edit (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285366/action/topic#285366
Time
Ah yes those articles were a great help with audio changes, the near-archival list of changes on starwars.com didn't include anything about their audiomixes.

Ghosting, yeah in the GOUT a little, just when I slowed it down so it would be a couple of frames longer as to not drop in any extra frames during encoding, and to fit into the timeline. Won't happen in SW. I'm doing the audio mix last. Going to try and make a deal for Neil S. Buck's corrected surround 1997 mix, for the rear channels to replace the DVD ones. That's the deal with that right?

I'm having troubles with the subtleties of the 2004 audio mix. There's the obvious changes that can be heard and easily replaced with some other source, but I can't find any definite answers to certain issues. Where exactly are the extra battle sound fx? Are the music channels reversed the whole time? I have the mono mix for reference, and the stereo mix for reference, but where could I find information on the uniqueness of the original six track? There's the mono mix comparison page, the "list of changes to Star Wars" thread that was very detailed about the audio. Any other definitive threads or sites?
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#284986
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284986/action/topic#284986
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Needs a bolder font, not sure how to pull it off when the font is already bold, and lighter, but I'd download it . But yeah GOUT's Lucasfilm logo kinda jitters and stuff, plus can't handle scaling very well, as you said, so a redone typed lucasfilm and long time ago title card would be good for better quality. Prolly really only need to post the vector images, not an avi, but it's a good idea.
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#284868
Topic
The Empire Strikes Back - The Vintage Edit (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284868/action/topic#284868
Time
Interesting idea. Depends on the quality of the capture I guess. I dunno I'm starting to get the hang of doing this by hand. I practiced with getting rid of that purple hue to The Phantom Menace, and I'm just adjusting ANH as I go along, using GOUT Histo as a boost, I suppose.

Hopefully a selectable crawl. I'd ask Rebel_1138 to help me make one, but I flaked out on an edit he helped me with awhile ago so he'd prolly not do it (feels bad).

Well I won't start a whole new thread for ANH till it's actually kinda done. I'm just starting, but my HD source looks pretty good.


So the typeface isn't exactly like the original...so what? Adjust the color back to what it was in '77 and it still feels like Star Wars.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/LongTimeAgotitlecard.jpg

This is what a white Tantive looks like when it's sourced from HD.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/C2POTantive.jpg

The 2004 DVDs had a gray overcast digitally overlayed in this shot to match surrounding shots. This is my first matte . OCP is giving me his blessing in stealing his excellently done mattes, but he missed a couple shots. It's lucky I can pull these off.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/f20060825/20060825_picview/img/7.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/BlueSky.jpg

Of course they changed the sky in this shot from an anachronistic red to blue matching the other shots. Well I need to blend this a little better, but I got it back to red
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/f20060825/20060825_picview/img/17.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/RedSky.jpg
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#284735
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284735/action/topic#284735
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Couple questions as this two year long endeavor scuffles its way across the finish line:

You said your 20th century fox logo would be the old school 70s version, but I can't remember what your source was. Was it GOUT, or from an anamorphic source, like Alien?

Also, your Lucasfilm logo. I dunno, just putting it out there, but the revamped logo from Willow is all shiny and modern (a la prequels), but at the same time retro (a la classic Star Wars). Maybe it would be a nice compromise, since the original 70s title card might seem anachronistic in such a new film.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/DledRhapsody/LF_LOGO.jpg?t=1177793053
not resized i guess.
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#282762
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282762/action/topic#282762
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
If Trooperman has his way, the whole "Master Annie" issue with 3P0 will be moot-- because Anakin won't have ever met 3P0 before.

But that's a tough one to pull off-- so if he has to keep the whole "Anakin built 3P0" backstory from Phantom Menace, it would be a good idea to change "Anni" to "Anakin."


Nah, it's easy to take 3PO out of the prequels. Is he not taking 3PO out of the prequels?
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#282421
Topic
.: Revenge of the Jedi 0.83 MS Edition :. (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282421/action/topic#282421
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Though it does seem to change some things for no particular reason, it is still kind of fun. The idea there could be only blue lightsabers in true canon SW except for Darth Vader's seemed like a cool idea to me after awhile.

It's kind of weird that anything could happen to people around here and we just wouldn't know. We know each other (in a sense) and talk (in a sense) to each other every day. But these people we know here we really don't advertise to all our real friends, so if something happens to you, who to tell all of us?

Of course maybe he just left the forums. Somebody email him and tell him to get his ass back to work! lol
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#282418
Topic
Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film For Theaters
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282418/action/topic#282418
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Way too over the top. A lot of it I liked, there were parts that really felt like Aqua Teen on the big screen, but a lot of it felt like Family Guy fourth season, Simpsons since season Ten, and South Park since season 8. Gotta love the Robot of Christmas Past, except when he started humping things for no reason.

Anyone stay till after the credits?