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Good then.
Good then.
It also appears that the DVD retains the film grain while the Blu-ray has used DNR, especially in that close-up of Colin Farell smiling.
If it worked for Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith with their comparatively darker moods, I see no reason it wouldn’t work for The Last Jedi. I’ll go so far as to say having to change the music to fit a darker mood is a lazy way out in creating that mood.
Nope, in cinema you establish the mood through music. The tone and music should go hand-in-hand. It’s not a lazy technique and has existed since sound was used on films. Having a music that is in opposition with the mood of the picture will feel out of place. It will become more like an opera and less like cerebral cinema, which I think ‘Star Wars’ also has the capacity to be.
Again I say, do not mean to disrespect anyone here. Just sharing my opinion as a cinema lover.
I agree this would have somehow been a good idea…But after 7 movies with the same opening protocol, it would be weird to change it now.
Not change, just slightly adapt it to the current story’s mood, which I guess will be darker than the last one. Personally, I have a little trouble accepting the prospect of Williams’ victorious SW theme for ‘The Last Jedi’s’ opening crawl. But again, it’s just me and I’ll watch it anyway, hopefully in IMAX.
Rogue One, currently in theaters near you.
Yes, I mentioned that in my post as well. But the saga films should change the feel of the opening as per the overall mood of the beginning. That’d keep things fresh, while not losing the familiarity. However, this is just my opinion and I understand that.
I’d certainly love to see a Star Wars movie that goes beyond the traditional crawl and space-ship hovering above planet opening and the same Star Wars theme music. There are so many Star Wars tunes that can create a different mood than the joyous and triumphant music from A New Hope. Why can’t a Star Wars film begin with a prologue, then move onto the crawl and use a different sadder or grimmer John Williams theme.
I’m quite sure that ‘The Last Jedi’ will be a grim and dark affair with Han Solo’s death and deaths of millions on a planet having happened recently. It’s definitely not a happy time to be. Why can’t we begin with the FORCE THEME instead of the main theme? Seeing as the title refers to the last Jedi living, the force theme would compliment the crawl far more appropriately than anything else, since he/she’ll be the last force user.
Sticking to tradition is fine, but slavishly maintaining something due to fear of fan backlash can turn something from a creative work to just a merchandise and fan-service where everybody plays safe and does not innovate.
I’d like the opening scenes to be shaken up a bit. ‘Rogue One’ dared to do it and I really enjoyed that they at least tried to be different than the lot.
I appreciate that the Star Wars logo is Red for Ep VIII instead of bright yellow. Now we need it to slowly appear on-screen rather than just jump at us and then have the force theme play with the crawl rather than the SW theme. That’d be really interesting and different while still sticking to the visual legends of the series.
Forgot to add ‘Jurassic World.’
The film is shown open-matte on Cable broadcasts. Most of the film was shot on super 35, 4-perf, so the 1.78:1 aspect ratio includes more headroom. Its especially noticeable in the VFX shots including the dinosaurs. However, a limited number of scenes were shot using the Panavision super 70 camera and lenses which lends a 2.20:1 (roughly) frame. These were slightly cropped to achieve the 2.00:1 ratio of the film. Those shots are cropped to 1.78:1 at the sides but the crop is barely noticeable.
JW really gains from the open-matte as lots of dinosaur scenes (almost all of them) like the Raptor squad scenes, The Mosasaurus and T-Rex scenes as well as the Indominus, have that IMAX-like expansion due to more vertical information that were cropped in the 2.00:1 version.
HBO NOW and HBO GO did show JW in OM for a month until it was pulled off from its website. Canal+ and various other HD broadcasts are also open matte. It looks good!
I have a strong desire to create fan-edits of the Jurassic series for a long time now. The issue is my PC hardware and lack of time. Let’s see, I’ll try.
As for Harry Potter, WB should first release ALL the deleted scenes in a remastered Blu-ray of all the films.
Titanic also has an OM HDTV version that has the full width of the VFX plates, unlike the 3D version, where they were cropped and zoomed into.
Plus, there is Jurassic Park 2 and 3 - OM 4:3 DVDs, OM 1.78:1 HDTV version. Mostly OM, the VFX shots are pan & scan or a mixture of both.
BTW, Andrea, are the Harry Potter longer broadcasts available, as you mentioned on your workprint list?
PlayOn only downloads 720p or less. Plus, the stream will be switching between 720p and SD resolutions mid-download,unless one has better set-up or something.
Looking forward to this.
Good to know it’s coming along nicely. Can you post a small sample from this? I hope the ‘TDK’ Full Screen DVD* comes handy in your project. : )
I think something similar to the slow version of the “Force Theme” that was featured in the Rogue One trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glb5zqPdKSQ
should be used, because it fits the darker, modern tone that ‘Rogue One’ has.
Personally, I was fine with simply “A long time ago…” in the film. But I do look forward to see how the crawl can be integrated while matching the tone of the film.
Crawl#1 is best, with some slight alterations as suggested by others. And yes, the Death Star should be left unnamed, to add some mystery.
However, I personally liked that they didn’t use a crawl. That triumphant John Williams score with a crawl doesn’t fit the darker tone of ‘Rogue One,’ especially considering the grim nature of events that were to happen in the opening scene.
Darth Id said:
One way would be to reference her fate in the crawl to IX, which would fit into the in media res opening sequence of the original film… .
I hope they don’t do that. Because the triumphant John Williams music accompanying the crawl is not a right music tone to announce someone’s death, especially when that coincides with the actor’s death. If we are to be told Leia died between Episode VIII and IX, then it needs to be done in a subtle manner, with soft/mournful music, in a separate scene.
Perhaps, we can have Ben Solo/Kylo Ren visit Leia’s tomb/resting place in secret.
But no, Leia’s death should not be announced during the opening crawl!
Scenes shot with the Red Dragon, Alexa XT, Alexa65, VistaVision and some super 35mm portions were spherical. But I don’t know which scenes they are specifically. Anyway, moving on.
Reminder: ‘Jurassic World’ is available on HBO NOW and GO till 1/12/2016. This will be the last air date for the logo/subtitle-less OM version of the film. Only a few hours remain thus. Those who can, please hurry.
Colson, you’re quite possibly right. I say this because the 3D version of Jurassic Park has a few additional frames of the T-Rex roaring inside the visitor’s centre. You can find this by comparing the number of frames in the 2D Blu-ray/DVD/Laserdisc/VHS to the 3D BD. It’s just 2 frames more at the fag end of the shot, but it’s definitely there. The older versions, including the film print, didn’t have these extra frames due to human error or other reasons. Look below -
Colson, zxthehedgehog, any updates on the Jurassic World OM are highly anticipated and appreciated! Please, please give us some updates guys. Thanks in advance for trying for all of us!
Anybody else wishing to watch the HBO NOW/GO streaming of Jurassic World (Read the First post on page 1), last chance to catch it is 30/11/2016.
Though I don’t know why frames would go missing (Human error, possibly, while cutting/splicing), this was a nice informative post about how film prints are created. Thanks for this. 😃
x5gb, not to worry, Colson is working on the open matte version already. FX channel will also air JW mid to late 2017. Though I don’t know whether it’ll be open-matte or cropped.
Jurassic World will also be shown on HBO2 on November 28 at 11:35pm. This will probably be open matte as well.
Yep, it’s open matte alright; same as the Full Screen DVD. Opened on top and bottom, but cropped at the sides.
As all the Harry Potter films were shot in 35mm spherical, the Full Screen versions of those are partially open matte (with the exception of HP3). Goblet of Fire 4:3 version is also open matte, so there will be more image on top and bottom than the widescreen version.
Could you post some screenshots of the VHS?
HBO website states that ‘Jurassic World’ will be available only till 1/12/2016. That is just 12 days remaining. Has anybody captured the open matte streaming till now, please reply. After that date it’d be almost impossible to stream.
@zxthehedgehog, you said you were backing it up. Any updates for us? Please let us know. Thanks.
Great!