OutboundFlight

Clavis said:

These are a few preview frames of the crawl I wrote for my edit: https://imgur.com/a/KtkefTG

This is a huge improvement from “The Dead Speak!” good job. But one question…

What is with the ST’s fetish for CAPITALIZATION? Of the original six, only three movies have one full-capital letter – ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC, DEATH STAR, and GALACTIC EMPIRE. All which are some of the most important parts of the movie.

In the ST, we get three for TFA, more than all six movies combined, for the three factions. Same for TLJ, only now there are two factions, but don’t we already know the key terms from the last one? AND then TROS stops CARING with SIX capitalized WORDS basically ANY proper NOUN they COULD find. I know it’s a pretty stupid thing to rant about but it bothers me.

Lol. I have like half it done on a google doc, then I lost interest. I’ll finish it before quarantine ends.

What about making Rey a Jedi to begin with? It’s rough, but suppose Rey is an exile after the destruction of the temple. It would explain Kylo’s concern of a girl on Jakku helping her, and avoid repeating Luke’s becoming a Jedi arc.

To do so, you’d have to cut all the references to Rey not knowing why she’s so strong in the force. Then you really just need one line - Kylo in a mask would be easiest to replicate - telling Hux or Snoke “a former student of Skywalker, turned exile. Unrefined, but powerful” kabam Rey’s power solved without any complicated lore.

And while writing this I realized it accomplishes the following:

—-Gives Rey a stronger reason to be so secretive of her past and reject the call to the Jedi, because of her bad childhood memories.
—-Makes Luke’s struggle to rebuild the Jedi meaningful because without it Rey, like it or not the ultimate hero of the saga, was brought up by him. So Luke plays a vital role in the final victory.
—-Makes Luke Rey’s father figure who took her in after her real parents (who she presumes are important in TLJ) sold her for drinking money. So that’s why she chooses the name Skywalker (right now it’s Organa she has more connection with).

StarkillerAG said:

Broom Kid said:

idir_hh said:

So they used two takes of the same scene back to back.
I’m amazed
…and insulted.

Lucas/Chew/Hirsch did the same thing more than a few times in 1977, IIRC.

I don’t think it’s insulting really. It’s just editing. The whole thing is a trick. Some tricks are better than others.

That there’s a big Zapruder-like YouTube video “exposing” it seems odd, to me. “They’re trying to fool you, but we see through their attempts!” Of course they’re trying to fool you. They’re filmmakers.

Yeah, I’ve never liked the Plinkett-style videos that take a thousand nitpicks and pass it off as “objective criticism”. It just seems like reaching to get as much criticism as possible, and by extension make the movies seem as bad as possible. If you applied the same style of criticism to the OT, those movies would seem like the worst movies of all time. I was just pointing out that I noticed this editing quirk before, I wasn’t saying I have a problem with it.

I’d love to see a parody Plinkett video on why Empire Strikes Back is an objectively bad movie.

tobiwan1984 said:

StarkillerAG said:

tobiwan1984 said:

• Luke needs to survive Episode VIII.

I actually would like this, for the same reason I’d like Ben to survive. I think Luke deserves more time to redeem himself, rather than just die from over-exertion after doing one good thing. This isn’t really feasible through editing though.

• Rey needs to be Luke’s lost daugther, that was hinted at in TFA and I still feel Kasdan and Abrams were going that way until VIII, Johnson and Kennedy derailed everything.

I absolutely hate this idea, for two reasons:

1. Rey is more interesting as a nobody. If Rey just turned out to be another Skywalker, it would make the sequel trilogy seem boring and cliche. It’s much more ironic for a complete nobody to be the hero this time.
2. There is zero evidence that JJ originally planned for Rey to be a Skywalker. All evidence, even before the release of TLJ, points to Rey being a nobody from the start. Terrio was the one who derailed it with his stupid Rey Palpatine reveal.

Because of that, I think Rey Nobody is the only way to go for a fan edit of the sequel trilogy. It’s by far the most interesting and thematically coherent option.

Luke needs to survive, done by Ivan Ortega in his edit, working more or less well. Rey needs to be the lost daughter, we just need a good reason why and need to show it. The ending of IX needs to be bigger, with force ghosts and with Rey realizing her place in all of this as the last Skywalker to finally end Palpatine and avenge her father and restore the balance once and for all. Her being a nobody is just pushing the identity politics agenda of Kennedy and Rey being a Palpatine might sound interesting, but it just makes the whole story of Anakin an Luke useless.

Thanks for the feedback of course, it is noted and respected!

Okay, so while I do actually agree with you on Rey Nobody being lame, keep in mind Ivan’s “plan” isn’t feasible. Yes Luke can reasonably survive TLJ, but he can’t reasonably be involved in TROS. Maybe it would be possible to insert him instead of Leia on Aljon Koss and say a few lines in a voiceover. But him doing anything other than standing on Aljon isn’t workable.

All due respect Starkiller, but I found it cringe-inducingly obvious that TFA was setting up Rey as an important person. Evidence -

1. When BB8 says his identity is a secret, Rey says “me too”. Supposing that’s sarcasm, there’s no need to say that and confuse the audience.
2. When Kylo is told a girl helped BB8, he asks “what girl?” as if there’s a girl on Jakku that is important. I guess he was just curious?
3. Maz asks Han, “who’s the girl”. Why would they cut on this when all Han says is “idk just some person lol”.
4. Kylo and Snoke both seem confused in TFA as to how Rey is so powerful, suggesting lineage.

So for me personally, I’d have been fine with Rey Nobody had RJ directed TFA. My problem doesn’t have to do with the heroes’ journey, even though I can understand why that’s an issue for some folks. My problem comes from Rey Nobody conflicting so much with TFA, where Rey Palpatine actually fits into the puzzle quite smoothly.

StarkillerAG said:

Ed Slushie said:

Anybody wanna try persuading John Boyega and Oscar Isaac to film themselves kissing in costume so we can add it to the Rise of Skywalker?

I assume you’re joking. Because otherwise, you probably wouldn’t be able to do that.

Well I guess it was worth a try!

jonh said:

Rey-Force ghosts vs Palpatine_concept (the effect must be perfected)but this is the idea

https://vimeo.com/405098886

password_jedi

“Now this is epic.”

I have an idea for a more saga-conclusive ending. I think the Jedi from throughout the saga should return and stand with Rey to beat Palpatine. I think it could work like this:

After Palpatine says, “I will kill you” (or whatever) insert Luke’s “No” from TLJ, and then Luke in force ghost forms arrives standing beside Rey. This would be accomplished by masking a shot of him from a prior film, and then coloring it blue. It should be video, so it looks realistic, but possibly intentionally blurred so the mouths don’t have to match up to the dialogue. He then says, “A thousand generations of Jedi live in you.”

Yoda then arrives, with the force theme blasting. Next is Leia. Then Qui-Gon. Then Obi-Wan, possibly followed by an “hello there” if it isn’t too bathos. Then Mace Windu.

Maybe move the shot of Ben climbing back up here, if possible, so he’s included too. Finally, Anakin Skywalker arrives in force ghost form. Luke says, "No one’s ever really gone. Anakin says, “Master” (from throughout the PT) in a mocking tone to Palpatine, Palpatine responds with “no, no, no” (right before force lightning in ROTS).

And only THEN does Rey bring the second saber and finish off Palpatine, with the help of all the Jedi wronged by this evil Sith.

Next, for Ben’s sacrifice. I think the Jedi Force Ghosts should “save” Ben by transferring their remaining life forces. This would be done by showing the individual Jedi Ghosts disappearing right after Ben’s supposed death, and then reversing the shot so Ben comes back to life. You can then show Ben either on Acho-To or with Rey, with a reasonable explanation as to how they were able to both survive.

idir_hh said:

I’ve been thinking about ways to improve Finns arch, my conclusion is this: kill him off at the battle of crait, there’s nothing left for him to do, he just follows around and screams peoples names in TROS. Give him impact to the trilogy, if he’s not going to inspire the stormtroopers than he might as well inspire the resistance.

Before this sprials into another TLJ debate, practically this wouldn’t be possible with how many shots he’s in for TROS. Example: the chase on Pasaana. He doesn’t really matter, but he’s there, and it’s hard to not notice him in the background.

Anakin Starkiller said:

That’s a great idea but I’m gonna do it cuz it would clash with the ruined homestead from the end of RoS.

Maybe it’s a “ national park” or other untouched area? Not perfect but would make in-universe sense.

Here’s an idea. Make Canto Bight on Tatooine.

After the Original Trilogy, the former backwater world of Tatooine became galacticlly renowned as the birthplace of Jedi Luke Skywalker. Even though Luke hated the place, tourism industries flourished and elite casinos replaced the backwater cantinas. Of course, these developments completely misses the point of what Luke stands for.

This is pretty easily accomplished by adding a random voice over for a broadcast, saying “Welcome to Canto Bight, the Jewel of Tatooine. Visit Jedi Master Luke Skywalker’s homestead, just 2 parsecs north!”

This ties brilliantly with the message of Luke’s arc (the many subplots of TLJ rarely touch each other) and also is extra special in regards to the Broom Boy scene, because he’s also on Tatooine.

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

Luke used that saber, as Rey did, but it really belonged to Anakin. TROS followed ROTJ’s example for who the last Jedi sees. Luke saw the figures important to him and Rey saw the ones important to her. The sabers have no relation to the people seen. Rey interred them in the only place associated with the Skywalker family.

I agree? From an in-universe perspective, it makes sense. But I don’t think the out of universe reason was in honor of Anakin either. It was all about Luke and Leia, else they would have made some kind of point towards it.

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

RogueLeader said:

what’s wrong with your FACE?

It looks great as a still, but I wonder how realistic it would seem in motion…

Chase Adams said:

RogueLeader said:
Pre-transformation Palpatine looks more like Ian McDiarmid with white contacts, to me, instead of looking like the Emperor. I don’t know if that makes sense, but there seems to be very little make-up on him that we associate with the Emperor, beyond making him extremely pale.

I believe the intention was to make it like Palpatine’s spirit was possessing a fresh, un-deformed, new corpse body. Once he is ‘restored’ he resembles the true Sith Palpatine appearance.

https://pasteboard.co/J1D7Vli.png

I got the opposite impression from the deformed fingers.

act on instinct said:

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t understand how every time the concept art is better than what we got.

This is just always going to be true, look at available concept art for any of your favorite movies and you’ll find content you wish was in the film, you can have anything on paper but in production things will be lost in translation.

That’s why I’m confused. It’s not like they don’t have good ideas. Why would they willingly abandon something so bold multiple times in favor of the same old same old?

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

I think most people wanted a break from the OT retread. Part of that originality includes acknowledging the PT’s existence, and if the First Order in charge of the galaxy, the only reason they wouldn’t be based on Coruscant is because Disney is afraid of breaking from the OT’s shadow.

It seems like two separate gripes that you have that you’re conflating.

It’s a bit different, but both derive from the common thread: the ST (or at least TFA and TROS) are obsessed with recreating the OT.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

I think most people wanted a break from the OT retread. Part of that originality includes acknowledging the PT’s existence, and if the First Order in charge of the galaxy, the only reason they wouldn’t be based on Coruscant is because Disney is afraid of breaking from the OT’s shadow.

I don’t understand how every time the concept art is better than what we got. Jakku as a trash world rather than yet another desert planet. And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

Hal 9000 said:

But you can’t hate it because it’s from the EU!

That was my first introduction to the Star Wars EU. Looking back I don’t understand how kid me liked any of it.

The timeline outside Harry Potter. I think Rowling should have given that period up to various authors to do their own thing under a single universe, like the old Star Wars EU. Imagine the possibilities, seeing Harry and Ron act as young adult aurors, Harry’s childern getting their own adventures in Hogwarts, maybe even playing up the 21st century tech into conflict with magic.

Instead, we got nothing, and after years of waiting, the one thing that “passed her approval” was a terrible, worse than the TROS in logic time-travel story.

It’s a fine line to cross. Because on one hand, TFA and TLJ have done a really bad job setting up Kylo as the villain. He’s a joke, and shows little fear. In a perfect world, this would not have been the case (at least for TLJ).

I think a better option would be to create a new villain for TROS. Maybe a “Dark Whill” or Force God that is responsible for the dark side, hence greater than both Palpatine and Snoke. I agree Palpatine was a bad idea.

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

joefavs said:

Just watched TROS for the first time since December, and I enjoyed it a lot more this time! Adjusting my ranking:

1. A New Hope
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Last Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Rogue One
7. The Rise of Skywalker (was 9)
8. Solo (was 7)
9. The Phantom Menace (was 8)
10. Attack of the Clones
11. Revenge of the Sith

After watching TROS again in quarantine with my parents, I have decided this was a ridiculous ruling and I am reversing this decision. Back to the old order it goes!

Yeah, TROS isn’t better than Solo. But also, neither is RO.

Solo is criminally underrated.

DominicCobb said:

Part of me likes the idea that it’s the midway point between blue and red, but also thematically there isn’t really anything in the movie to set that up. Also the fact that Mace has a purple saber obscures that idea.

I read a theory I really like that suggests color distinguishes alignment -
Red: Extremist dark side user (ex: Maul)
Orange: Dark side user with a significant light side pull
Yellow: True balance (ex: Rey)
Green: Roguish light side user (ex: Qui-Gon)
Blue: Traditional light side user (ex: Obi-Wan)
Purple: Extremist light side user (ex: Windu)

Now that I think about it, I probably found it here. Forget where it’s from lol.