OutboundFlight

CamSMurph said:

A fellow user on the Redux Ideas Thread said this concept would be near-impossible to implement into The Rise of Skywalker as is, so I feel it is worth sharing here as it seems more “radical” than what is being presented on the other thread.

Fanedit Forums user Gaith suggested that the film open with a funeral for Princess Leia before the opening crawl. This quote comes from the official thread for the movie:

Lucasfilm logo. “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…”
SMASH CUT to a silent (with music) funeral scene. As with Glee and Cory Monteith, we all know why the character’s gone, so there’s really no need to explain it in-universe. (Canon sources elsewhere could officially designate it space cancer or whatever, but my idea lets the funeral be a tribute to Fisher as much as possible, just as the ending to Furious 7 was obviously for Paul Walker, rather than for Brian O’Conner.) Fade out.
STAR WARS title fanfare, crawl, movie.
In short, Fisher’s passing would be so significant that it would be the only time the Episode format of “A long time ago”, STAR WARS title fanfare, crawl, movie would ever be broken. I get that most don’t enthusiastically love Thor: The Dark World as I do, but I think the two-minute dialogue-free Frigga funeral is a freakin’ fantastic scene that would make an excellent model.

A very unique idea that unfortunately wasn’t taken advantage of.

Am I the only one who feels this is too much? Breaking from tradition for a two minute fan service end for Leia? I don’t deny Carrie Fisher was a fantastic person and important character to Star Wars, but it’s not worth completely botching the pacing and traditions. I’d prefer just having the movie dedicated to her in the credits.

OutboundFlight said:

Delpheas said:

Would that recontexualised TLJ include Luke vs Kylo? Cus it seems that would have to go, and have the climax be Rey & redeemed Ben killing Palpatine, followed by an edited Tatooine epilogue with Ben staying there in exile.

Yes… I’m unsure about this part. I agree this new TLJ would end best with the Supremacy. Maybe after the two beat the guards, we show the shots of their hands to force-pull an empty Raddus into the Supremacy, turning the Holdo Maneuver into the big finale beat.

Crait I think should be moved to the end of this new TFA. All hope seems lost, Palpatine is back, so they retreat to Crait and appear defeated when Luke shows up (for the first time) and saves the day. He doesn’t die this time, so new-TFA will end with the heroes escaping Crait and Rey going in search of the recently returned Luke.

OR if that makes TFA too long and new Ep 9 too short, you could move Crait to the beginning of Ep 9. Not sure how that’d work though.

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Of course, this can all be avoided by just keeping Kylo evil as TLJ implies. He killed Palpatine and will continue on, but Rey will eventually beat him or something. However, I’m personally not a fan of that ending for Ben.

Further refining the unified trilogy idea…

THE FORCE AWAKENS (DARK FORCE RISING?)
–The crawl defines the First Order as a band of Sith Cultists (not a new Empire)
–The crawl also explains the First Order is searching for an Ancient Sith Bioweapon to bring back the former Empire.
–Begins with Kylo arriving on Exogel. He then gives his “finished what you started” speech with all the cultists chanting, to imply the FO’s plan.
–The “map” in TFA is recontextualized to the Map to Starkiller Base.
–No Snoke whatsoever. Kylo and Hux are in charge.
–Rathar scene cut for pacing.
–Kylo successfully probes Rey’s mind and they are able to find Starkiller.
–Ideally, the Resistance is renamed “The Republic” however I am unsure if this possible without cutting too much.
–The Resistance/Republic attack Starkiller but fail entirely. Han dies, the base fires releasing the fleet from Exogol, and Leia orders an evacuation.
–During Starkiller, use lines from the beginning of TLJ to show Leia wants the team to pull out, while Poe doesn’t and thinks they still have a chance. This way Poe’s decision in TLJ is earned.
–Trim the Rey/Kylo duel: Rey still holds her own but is unlikely to prevail until the Falcon shows up.
–The return of Palpatine initiates R2’s “Emergency Backup” (told through captions) which tell Rey where to find Luke. Rey heads off while the rest of the fleet flees an old rebellion base, Crait.
–Rey finds Luke… only for him to cast the Jedi aside. R2 then gives the “You are my only hope” speech, which triggers the end of the Battle of Crait.
–Cut Finn from the Battle of Crait.
–End with Luke’s inspiring moment against the newly powered First Order. Luke survives and agrees to train Rey, while the Republic retreats for a regrouping against the newly formed Empire.

THE RISE OF SKYWALKER (LABRYNITH OF EVIL?)
–Crawl establishes the Republic and reborn Empire are fighting a bloody civil war, while Luke has been training Rey.
–Rotoscope Luke onto Ajan Kloss instead of Leia for Rey’s montage.
–With a bit of cutting and possibly alien dubbing (with captions), the “Plan” is to go to Exogol and eliminate the Empire’s base of operations. To do so, they need to find a Sith Wayfinder.
–Meanwhile, Palpatine’s plan is the same as before. He wants Kylo to give him Rey, though it is unknown yet why. Later on, it is revealed Palpatine wants Rey to replace Kylo, but Rey refuses, so Palps settles for Kylo in Ep 9.
–Kylo isn’t redeemed after the Death Star, instead, he remains alive and is later seen in his ship (footage from TLJ) fighting in the space battle.
–Leia doesn’t die.
–Rey isn’t a Palpatine.
–Movie plays as normal all the way up until the finale, where Palpatine wins. Lando’s fleet becomes the New Republic’s and it is completely wiped out by its explosion. Palpatine successfully takes part of Rey’s force energy or whatever and becomes full. Rey barely escapes.
–Ends with Rey in self-exile on Ach-To.

THE LAST JEDI (THE LAST STAND? THE UNIFYING FORCE?)
–Crawl establishes since Palpatine’s trap last movie, the First Order under his and Kylo’s control rules the galaxy, with Leia’s Resistance barely surviving.
–Luke, now a force ghost (implied death by old age) gives Rey a few lessons (from TLJ), without the cynicism but with the “Jedi must change” angle.
–Honestly keep Canto Bight, as much as I’m not a fan, this movie needs all the runtime it can get.
–Leia dies on the bridge.
–Integrate TROS Luke pep talk with Rey. Rey is inspired and goes to redeem Kylo on the Supremacy. Rey also gets Leia’s purple lightsaber (Anakin’s blue was destroyed on Exogol) for the rest of the movie.
–Rotoscope Snoke for Palpatine from ROTJ. He’s given up tempting Rey at this point but does want Kylo to kill Rey and assume his place as next in line for the dark side throne.
–Possibly get a voice actor for a Palpatine impression of “I see you turning the lightsaber to strike your own true enemy”. Too good a line to lose. The rest can just come straight from ROTJ, though.
–Ben is a full good guy after killing Palpatine. Possibly integrate the Han scene from TROS in as a force vision (not actually happening, he keeps his crossguard saber for the Praetorian duel).
–We get some proper Finn story arc by ending his story with a Phasma fight, rather than it happening midway through and leaving him nothing to do moving forward.
–Rey and Ben work together to force pull the Raddus into the Supremacy after everyone has evacuated, destroying the power structure of the FO and bringing peace back to the galaxy.
–Ending montage of freed planets and Rey and Ben on Tatooine.

WHEW that was a lot, but I think all in all, it flows very well, doesn’t require too much work (the hardest part is rotoscoping Palpatine into TLJ, beyond that, everything is relatively simple), and would make for a strong united trilogy.

Delpheas said:

Would that recontexualised TLJ include Luke vs Kylo? Cus it seems that would have to go, and have the climax be Rey & redeemed Ben killing Palpatine, followed by an edited Tatooine epilogue with Ben staying there in exile.

Yes… I’m unsure about this part. I agree this new TLJ would end best with the Supremacy. Maybe after the two beat the guards, we show the shots of their hands to force-pull an empty Raddus into the Supremacy, turning the Holdo Maneuver into the big finale beat.

Crait I think should be moved to the end of this new TFA. All hope seems lost, Palpatine is back, so they retreat to Crait and appear defeated when Luke shows up (for the first time) and saves the day. He doesn’t die this time, so new-TFA will end with the heroes escaping Crait and Rey going in search of the recently returned Luke.

OR if that makes TFA too long and new Ep 9 too short, you could move Crait to the beginning of Ep 9. Not sure how that’d work though.

Of course, this can all be avoided by just keeping Kylo evil as TLJ implies. He killed Palpatine and will continue on, but Rey will eventually beat him or something. However, I’m personally not a fan of that ending for Ben.

Well if you really wanted to get radical.

TFA is about the FO using Starkiller to resurrect Palpatine.

New Ep8 is TROS. Ends with Palpatine winning, destroying the Republic Fleet (instead of nobodies), and Rey escaping to self-exile on the island.

New Ep 9 is a recontexulized TLJ, rotoscoping out Snoke for Palpatine from ROTJ.

This will sound dumb, but what if Starkiller Base isn’t a planet-killer, but an ancient Sith bioweapon to resurrect the dead?

The First Order’s plan in TFA is to bring Palpatine back to life. This explains how he comes back in TROS and avoids “yet another death star”. Although it sounds dumb in concept considering what we have to work with I think it’d tie things very smoothly.

Alternatively, the FO could be destroying the Republic as a mass-sacrifice to enable Palpatine’s return. I remember something like this in SWTOR.

Cthulhunicron said:

So padme is supposed to already be 8-9 months pregnant when we first see her in ROTS?

It’s scary knowing how happy Anakin and Obi-Wan are at Yerbana… to think where they’ll be in a week.

Thank you for everything you’ve done!

-Jack

I’ve been thinking a lot recently about this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aZkZNiw6XE

I think the reason it falls flat is that there is no one behind these “ships”. Compare that to Endgame, where all the characters from the past movies have arrived, and it gets emotional.

I think what should have followed the first shot of all the ships is a brief montage of various characters we can say are in this massing of ships. The problem is I can’t think of many shots of just a character in a ship. What I have right now are:
–The Nemodians from TPM
–A Naboo Star Pilot
–A Mon Cala looking like Admiral Raddus
–The Mandalorian
–Lando and Chewie

I think this would make the arrival more emotional knowing all these characters from the past nine movies are here. But I’d be happy to hear any other suggestions for more characters to use.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think you guys will like this.

I like this!

Hal 9000 said:

I dunno, it’d make some sense in light of other potential changes to have Ochi die on Jakku…

JEDIT: Aaaaand, there’s already a reason for Rey not to be familiar with the festival, since it takes place once in 42 years.

You’re absolutely right… in fact, I bet this was the plan for the first draft. Why else would they die on a desert planet shortly after giving away their daughter? Then they changed it to a new planet for some reason and forgot about it not making sense.

Let’s all wait 5 years for the new High Republic Trilogy to ruin Star Wars and then the same ST haters will crown the ST for “at least isn’t as bad as the new High Republic Trilogy”. I’m calling it.

Is this the series that all the hate channels are posting on about feminism? I don’t click on them to avoid giving them views. They seem to be making a huge deal of it, what’s up with that?

Morgan the Boost said:

Wow. Asohka murders EVERYONE in the last 8 episodes. She kills 3/4 of the Pikes and all of her troops. But at least she seemed to feel bad for the clones (?).

I mean, the Pykes chose to be criminals into the syndicate. I doubt the entire species is grouped up into one crime syndicate, there are many other paths the Pykes she kills could have walked.

The Clones had no choice, not to mention they were her close friends, who repeatedly showed loyalty for her despite her leaving the Republic. Then they lost all their identity and were forced to attack her. It’s very honorable to not kill them. Actually makes me want a fanedit cutting any killing of clones by Yoda and Obi-Wan.

Delpheas said:

Four hours is a long time, I might check it out to see what’s been done, but in addition to the runtime, I can’t really see myself enjoying it as long as it uses a plain extended RotS. Anakin’s gonna feel all over the place in terms of characterisation.

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Anyway, here’s the promised clips. I’ll update the main post later.

Pass for all: fanedit

Opening with new crawl, temp music replacement for narrator lines
https://vimeo.com/414966830

You can see the first “Day” title card. Five will appear throughout.

“You’ve done well Anakin” (gotta figure out what to do about Palps talking standing up)
https://vimeo.com/414993033

I want Anakin to treat killing Dooku the way he treats all the casual murders he commits in TCW, it’s just a thing he did, and he moves on.

Ahsoka fights on Mandalore while Anakin is Late
https://vimeo.com/414994185

“What have I done?”
https://vimeo.com/414993081

Trying out not seeing Anakin see “What have I done”, only Ahsoka hearing Lanter’s Anakin say it. Also trying Palpatine and Ahsoka saying “anakin” at the same time.

Labyrinth of Evil Ending with Ahsoka & Vader: (taking suggestions on rescoring the Luke hand off to flow better with the Vader finale.)
https://vimeo.com/414975128

My goal with this one is an actually Dark ending, there’s definitely hope, but that’s not this story.

These are all first or second passes, so keep that in mind.

Alright, first off, amazing work at completing this so quickly!

I have a few suggestions for the Labyrinth of Evil ending. First, while I think Threepio and R2 is a solid scene in ROTS, I think it’s too much humor especially when it cuts to Ahsoka and Rex burying the clones. I would try rescoring the entire scene (Yoda, Leia, and Luke’s) to this: https://youtu.be/MJrEkTEkE4Q it’s the music from the last Ahsoka scene. It captures the tradegy far better than Binary Sunset. And it would since it’s the music from the scene before, it will perfectly mix into the final scene with Vader.

Bravo

thebluefrog said:

I wonder if there’s a way to do the Colin Trevorrow script of 9 somehow.

Deepfake technology is better than ever.

Audiobooks have lots of unused dialogue.

The actors like Driver or Daisy have other roles to get lines.

There’s movie quality video game and other sources of media.

It’d be incredibly hard, but I think it’d be doable to do the script from all the material out there.

I actually think animating (2D) would be reasonably possible if enough people were on the team. I’d use volunteer voice actors rather than try and cut clips from other films.

Here is a good example of a framework. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itdfe5yQ0Hg

Personally I’d include the following scenes even if they don’t add up in the timeline.

1. TCWS7: Cody talks to Rex about how it’s hard being the survivors. This instantly gives us a connection to the clones should a viewer not watched the series and jumped right from AOTC.

2. TCWS7: Anakin and Padme together, with Obi-Wan revealing he knows about it.

3. TCWS7: Mace Windu claims to have killed thousands of battle droids. Also him willingly risking his life to shut off a bomb, so we know he is good at heart (PT Windu is kinda a dick) giving his death weight.

4. TCWS7: The Martez Sisters tell Ahsoka about how the Jedi don’t care about the common people. Adds a lot of depth to the Jedi’s fall, although admittedly getting here would require a lot of cutting down on a boring story arc.

5. CW03: Grevious Introduction: His speech followed by attack on five Jedi is possibly the best introduction to a villain in all of Star Wars. It also gives his attack on the Chancellor against Shaak-Ti extra meaning. I’d even suggest including the deleted scene where Grevious kills Shaak-Ti at the beginning of ROTS, wrapping up the rivalry.

How to do: Open with the Battle of Anaxes. Short 15 minute sequence containing of some early character moments and then the battle in the fourth episode. Then cut to Ahsoka meeting the sisters and get off Coruscant ASAP. In between Kessel cut to Grevious introduction. After this go back to Oba Diah, cut everything from the third episode except for the Jedi speech and then greatly trim anything not with Ahsoka. This naturally leads into the Darth Maul reveal and the Mandalorians. Then cut to Yerbana and the rest of the edit rolls.

I did a 7 in 1 once (Six Sagas + R1). It’s possible to mash these movies together, but they never flow as strongly as you’d expect. I resorted to two timelines so I could easily jump wherever I wanted.

It may be the best lightsaber fight ever. It takes the action of the Prequels, but with the Originals sense of danger with every strike. Instead of operatic music for us to sit back to, the fight is interrupted by interesting pieces of conversation. It’s an amazing duel, and the only thing blocking it from taking #1 for me is it’s relatively short runtime.

I don’t dislike the Prequels (TCW is my favorite Star Wars), but I think the OT is the superior of the films.

Put simply:

1. The actors in the Prequels are all very wooden. Yes, the characters may have better “design” but are they more engaging to watch? Is Mace Windu really more engaging than Han Solo? Qui-Gon is supposed to be a roguish Jedi but speaks just as dull as the others. Both Grevious and Maul have amazing designs, but have no character in the films besides “I bad guy”. And Anakin is a creep through Episode II. Now a lot of this is fixed in TCW, but from the three movies it’s all very dull.

2. The dialogue is pretty bad. I mean, we go from “I love you” / “I know” to “I don’t like sand”

3. The connection between Anakin and Obi-Wan is told to us but never shown. The closet is the opening of ROTS but even then there’s an air of tension. The “good ol days” the tragedy revolves around are never shown. Fixed in TCW.

4. Palpatine’s plan revolves around so many plot contrivances to the point no one even cares about the war because the Clones are faceless cannon fodder (again, this is fixed in TCW but we are only going off the movies). Also, the Jedi are super stupid to not realize Palpatine is evil.

5. Anakin’s turn is sudden, based entirely around a dream, and within 5 minutes he is willing to kill younglings. Very confusing.

6. Overall, TPM and AOTC are fun side adventures at best, and the PT would have been far better had ROTS been stretched into three movies with the events from Eps 1 and 2 explained in expositionary dialogue. It feels ridiculously rushed by the end.

Amazing work! I will definitely be adding this to my headcanon.

What a coincidence! Last night I was plotting something like this out for a theoretical saga edit of mine that’s far far down the line. TCW would be part of it. I don’t know if I will pursue this but regardless here were my thoughts on edits. Also, keep in mind this is from literally yesterday so I haven’t though everything through.

STAR WARS PROLOGUE: Introduction of Anakin in the Phantom Menance followed by the Mortis Arc as the primary storyline. The Yoda arc from Season Six is interspliced here with the idea Yoda is traveling the force to rescue Anakin Obi-Wan and Ahsoka stuck in Mortis.

EPISODE ONE - THE CLONE WARS: Starts with Lair of Grevious, then the Mandalore Plot to explain Obi-Wan’s relationship with Satine. Then Grevious Intrigue followed by the Deserter, which runs concurrent to Rookies. End of the movie is Arc Troopers, big battle on Kamino ending with Ventress failing, and as a result Dooku exiles her.

EPISODE TWO - WITCHES OF THE MIST: The Citadel (great character development for the trio) running concurrent to Nightsisters, and ending with Massacre and a Darth Maul tease.

EPISODE THREE - DARK FORCE RISING: Darth Maul and Wrong Jedi in one movie. If edited well, Obi-Wan’s minimal appearance could be weaved through, so he returns from Mandalore just as the trial begins (for him to be seated there).

EPISODE FOUR - THE PHANTOM APPRENTICE: Umbara plus the Banking Clan trilogy from Season Six plus Ahsoka’s Walkabout (provided the quality gap isn’t too bad). We’d follow Anakin leaving Umbara and getting entangled in politics he doesn’t enjoy while his clones suffer on the front lines. Meanwhile his apprentice has challenges of her own.

EPISODE FIVE - REVENGE OF THE SITH: Clone Wars Season Seven plus ROTS

So this doesn’t work perfectly (my long-term plan is combining Season Seven with ROTS) but for a Clone Wars edit maybe you could take inspiration. I also wanted Mortis to be the start so I wouldn’t go pre-Season 3 Ahsoka design which is another limit you don’t have.

I remember randomly putting Immigrant Song in the middle of my tragic 7-1 3.5hr Vader edit. It comes out of nowhere. Not sure why I did it.

They play hockey with lightsabers.

This sounds fun. I’ll help as I can, though I’ve only watched the show on and off.

Holidays of the Future Present was going to be the ending of the show had it been canceled. It was a Christmas episode because the pilot episode was also set during Christmas. For that reason, I think it would do for a good finale episode.

I recall Barthood as a really good episode, but it had an almost entirely Bart focus, so I don’t think it would do for the show’s final episode. I would like for it to show up midway through this final season. I wonder how much of the lore messes with Holidays: isn’t that set 30 years in the future, where Barthood stops around when Bart is 20? Ideally it’d fit but if it doesn’t not the end of the world.