OutboundFlight

This is a pretty good video on just that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-qi4OhCii4

You know, back in the pre-TLJ days I thought Reylo was idiotic but TLJ goes to great lengths to set it up. Finn, who I believed would end up with Rey by the end, is now with Rose and Poe’s got BB8.

While it might be a cliché, it is an interesting and a new place of the franchise to go. If they do it right, it could help Ep 9. But doing it right would be very hard to pull off, and they might see the entire saga fall apart if they fail. Something to keep in the back of our minds, I guess.

Well today will be a day long remembered. Like Snooker said, it feels as if a snap just occurred. I know I haven’t been the most active member here in my short while (so far you can’t get rid of me that easily) but I’ve read many of the discussions here. To see so many long-time members drop out today… well I wish the Quantum Realm existed irl.

I didn’t fully follow everything, but I understand the gist of what happened. I think there was a lot of overreaction from both sides, but I’m not gonna put the blame of anyone. I will, however, remember the casualties.

I’ve changed my avatar to pay tribute.

the Last Jedi

Anakin Starkiller said:

What’s this? A Prequel scene with an actual set shot on location?

Btw, while I appreciate shooting on location, this one doesn’t feel Star Warsy enough. It looks to much like a real-world home. The holographic frames are a painfully bad attempt to remedy this.

I have a big problem with the Prequel’s interior set design, and it goes beyond just the props. Everything is absurdly large, clean, and flat. There’s no texture. For example:

I don’t think it’s just the CG that makes it look bad (though it magnifies it). Rather all pre-vis and animation did was the giant cool stuff or the necessary stuff. That’s why so many scenes feel empty. Looking at the image above, what if there was a bench or a garbage near the door? What if instead a blank blue wall, there was a mural? What if the scene took place at sunset, to give it some variation in light?

Yes, it might look like an Amish retreat but at least there’s something. There’s a chair is in background, some paintings. If it was CGI, everything would have been neatly organized containing a bed, lamp, flat wall with window, and maybe a table. Lucas loves his pre-vis department, but all pre-vis did is make cool things, with little thought towards the little things that make a set feel real.

I find it funny this site began as a petition to return star wars to the originals… and now we are discussing ways to radically alter it.

4throck said:

Also did the same to the deleted scenes and they look much better:

What’s this? A Prequel scene with an actual set?

RogueLeader said:

Maybe having more color makes it feels less real and more cartoony, but I would be interested to see attempts at going >in the opposite direction with the colors and try to make them pop more.

That’s an interesting direction to go in for TPM and AOTC. I don’t know if it’s feasible (you don’t want to over-saturate the skin tones and they share colors with Geonosis sand) but interesting. But ROTS builds itself up as a “tragedy”, which in general warrants less color.

Anakin Starkiller said:

At this point, maybe we should rename this thread the Original Trilogy Radical Redux Thread.

Was about to say the exact same thing.

The Force Awakens has a fair share of new things it brings to the table. I love the “hunt of skywalker” angle, because the audiences wants to meet the original cast too so we are instantly onboard the heroes journey. Finn as a treacherous stormtrooper was great and Rey had a mysterious backstory (contrary to Luke) which got me invested for future installments (they have now abandoned that in favor of short-term shock and long-term “let’s route for villain because he’s got more development” syndrome). When faced with the insane task of topping Vader, they realized they couldn’t and did something even better: create a villain actively trying to be like Vader.

The droid is a bit repetitive but it has a different context. My only real complaint is Starkiller- cut the planet killing and it might have earned the #2 spot on my list.

The Last Jedi presents some amazing ideas but overall is sloppy and just not fun. I go to Star Wars to enjoy myself. If this were an anthology (like a Logan for Luke) people would be more lenient. While I don’t “hate it” it lands at the very middle of my ranking, between Solo and RO.

DominicCobb said:

Some random screenshot comparisons (as with last time the before pics are 720p):
https://diff.pics/kdqMt2e_tBsk/1

“Oh it’s beautiful”

JEDIT: Although the filters could be toned down a bit, on the Star Destroyer it’s a tad too blue and for the Obi-Wan/Padme one the sharpening’s a bit intense. Yet still a drastic improvement over the original.

It’s for a radical edit I’m working on, wanted to share it as a stand alone first.

Original plans for Revenge of the Sith involved an opening montage showing all the battles of the clone wars. So, I did just that:

https://vimeo.com/294955682

This also works as a seamless transition from Ep 2-3.

People will request for a link via PMs.

Remember reading somewhere a suggestion to make the Tantive IV the main ship of the prequels. That way, the opening sequence of the OT is also the end of the prequel era.

LordZerome1080 said:

But Maul could be made a trilogy villain

No offense but how exactly? He’s barely in one movie.

LordZerome1080 said:

But Maul could be made a trilogy villain

No offense but how exactly? He’s barely in one movie.

IMO, all it does is distract. The modern graphics don’t clash well.

Disney’s actually doing good- they have plenty of exclusive Star Wars and marvel shows in development along with originals. And there will be stuff from the past.

D.C. Universe on the other hand…

I think Kylo is one of the best characters in the franchise. That being said, I don’t think he’s a good villian. He is not intimidating and Rey has already beaten him twice. I think this is a big reason why people were angry about Snoke early death: without him, the First Order is really just a bunch of buffoons. I hope Ep 9 manages to either make Kylo legitimately scary (a daunting task) or introduces a new antagonist for Rey and Kylo to team up against. But the final installment is supposed to pay off these things, asking it to do both sounds painfully like another not-so-well-received-star-Wars/trilogy…

yotsuya said:

Creox said:

yotsuya said:

It is interesting how I answer your point and yet you quote something else. I specifically mentioned Plato’s Stepchildren which has no more explanation of the mysterious powers within the episode than Star Wars has. The episode mentioned the mysterious and undefined chemical compound kironide. It never explains how that chemical results in the psychokinetic powers the Platonians exhibit. Ben’s description of the Force as an energy filed created by all living things that surrounds and binds is a more detailed description than Plato’s Stepchildren ever gives. Such psychokinentic powers can not be proven to exist in our world, yet the Platonians have them and the Q have them to an even greater extent. Gary Mitchell was developing them, as was Dr. Dehner. None of these are ever given any detailed description. Isaac Asimov had his character of The Mule who could reprogram people’s minds. He didn’t have to touch them and could do a whole room full of people at once with the aid of a special musical instrument. He could even kill with his mind. He later (post ROTJ) expanded that to an entire planet with The Mule being an escapee. He had a robot initially learn the skill and teach another robot who in turn established the planet. Asimov is one of the three greats of science fiction and he didn’t hesitate to have characters with mental powers that defy science and logic.

So the argument that the Force makes Star Wars a fantasy does not hold up to comparison to established science fiction content.

I see SW as having fantasy elements due to several things. The force being just one of them. The robes, the mystical elements that give nods to supernatural reasoning for things happening the way they do. The classic knight in shining armour trope with the (not so) damsel in distress etc.

The old wise man who is obviously a nod to the wizard type of character you would see in a typical Tolkienesque fantasy. The swords being used as a “elegant weapon of a more civilized age” definitely suggests a King Arthur and knights of the round table. The classic good and evil sides doing battle…that they take place in space is incidental in a lot of cases.

But those things don’t qualify for distinguishing genre. The robes came from Samurai films. So did the swords. Old wise men are found in all genres. What distinguishes Science Fiction from Fantasy is the nature of the story, not the characters. Star Wars, for all its use of the Force and Space Opera tropes, is a very grounded story about good and evil and rebellion against oppression. And it is the sort of good and evil we find in every day lives. Anger, fear, lust, passion, vs. calm, instincts, thoughtfulness, wisdom. The force is more about morality than it is about magic.

I think a “grounded story about good and evil and rebellion against oppression” fits the war genre more than science fiction, which is usually a warning about the dangers of technology.

By your logic, one could also argue the Lord of the Rings is science fiction. It’s quite grounded (there are good people who make poor decisions when under pressure, and bad people who have been tormented by a specific thing) and concern a rebellion (last alliance) against oppression (Sauron’s empire). And I haven’t seen GROND anywhere, so it could take place in the future for all we know.

This is the first spinoff I’m actually excited about.

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

“No magic involved”

What about the lightning? Or the backflips? Or the super sense allowing the Jedi to parry so easily?

And your point? Did you miss my references to characters from Star Trek which most people seem to think is indeed science fiction? If those things didn’t make Star Trek a fantasy then they don’t make Star Wars a fantasy.

Star Trek repeatedly explains all the fantastical stuff as hyper advanced technology. Theoretically, it could happen in our universe. Aliens probably exist in the endless universe, and who knows how advanced they are.

The Force, while explained as science in Ep 1, is still fantasy. It does not exist in our world. Therefore it cannot be sci-if, which by its official dictionary is a story routes in science set in the near or distant future.

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

“No magic involved”

What about the lightning? Or the backflips? Or the super sense allowing the Jedi to parry so easily?

And your point? Did you miss my references to characters from Star Trek which most people seem to think is indeed science fiction? If those things didn’t make Star Trek a fantasy then they don’t make Star Wars a fantasy.

Star Trek repeatedly explains all the fantastical stuff as hyper advanced technology. Theoretically, it could happen in our universe. Aliens probably exist in the endless universe, and who knows how advanced they are.

The Force, while explained as science in Ep 1, is still fantasy. It does not exist in our world.

“No magic involved”

What about the lightning? Or the backflips? Or the super sense allowing the Jedi to parry so easily?

yotsuya said:

I had been dragging my heels about watching A Wrinkle In Time because I’ve never been interested in the book and the trailer didn’t look all that great. Well, it was watchable but I quickly saw that this was what some are claiming Star Wars is - a cross over between SF and fantasy. This tried to be scientific, but the fantasy was overriding. Right down to the formless great evil. It felt like fantasy with a science veneer. So it only solidified my feeling the Star Wars is firmly science fiction. A Wrinkle In Time is science fantasy.

“Formless great evil”

Hhmm…

A shame he won’t be able to see the saga he helped start end.

RIP.