OutboundFlight

A New Captain
It has always bothered me that Captain Phasma appears in the The Last Jedi with no explanation. While Kylo and Hux are both shown to be on the move to escape Starkiller, Phasma just… escapes from the trash compactor? I’d be fine if they had at the very least mentioned “I see you got out of the dumpster” or something, but nope.

So, I decided to take things into my own hands. Introducing a new First Order Captain, sharing Phasma’s armor but bearing a purple stripe to distinguish.

He speaks with a male German accent to hammer home he is not Phasma. His first line is also different but besides that shares Phasma’s lines and characterization. I did a test with a text to speech, and I think it comes out quite well! Here is the video (apologies for the poor quality, and seeming jutter from cutting all shots not directly related to Phasma):

https://vimeo.com/316034386

If the attack on Coruscant Hosnian Prime is too challenging, perhaps a more feasible solution involve no move against the Republic City at all. Instead, the First Order fleet could attack D`Qar?

There is already footage from TLJ. You could explain away any “charging” mentions as the Dreadnought.

Poe and Black Squadron wouldn’t go to Starkiller, although they would be prepping for an attack when the enemy fleet arrives. Instead the opening for TLJ will play alongside the conclusion to TFA. Han’s detonate charges cause the area around the base to explode, which is why Rey and Kylo are separated. It doesn’t destroy the entire planet.

After the destruction of the Dreadnought the First Order retreats. Then the Falcon returns to D’Qar and everybody celebrates for a short while.

This also permits TLJ to start at an unspecified time, as our first scene with the Resistance would instead be them in hyperspace. Poe wouldn’t be demoted although he can still have his character arc- the moment the Supremacy shows up he says he wants to jump in a cockpit and blow something up.

A planetary shield makes sense.

I’d much rather have Starkiller just be a random first order planet. In TLJ they hardly mention the largest super weapon in the galaxy’s destruction. You’d think Snoke would be angrier about the loss of that compared to some dreadnought.

So yes… if you were able to make this RogueLeader you’d have my perfect TFA edit 😃

Legacyofajedi said:

When are tou re;easing son of dathomir ?

It is done! PSA to everyone interested, all you need to do is PM. 😃

DigMod said:

OutboundFlight said:
Yeah, I though so too at first. But when I try and remove the background using after effects it didn’t work. Has anyone made a crawl for an edit before?

Jackpumpkinhead and myself have both made custom crawl creators. Feel free to use either. My tool is at my website and a quick look through the forum will get you Jack’s.

Thanks for letting me know! I plan to release a second version of this edit was Season 7 drops, which will fix the story’s conclusion. I will have another go with the crawl then!

I hope it isn’t balance of the force then we’d have a last Jedi situation all over again…

I agree it is great we all have different opinions but get along.

For me I personally didn’t enjoy TLJ, mainly because I feel Rian Johnson set out to make a good movie / good Star Wars movie instead of a good middle chapter to the ST. It is a very careful balancing act, and I don’t think of him lowly because of it.

Simply put, the subversion of expectations work (for the most part) within the film. The problem is when you rewatch TFA and become let down by everything they very clearly were setting up. The problem is when you realize it has set up Episode 9 to just be a retred or something we have all already seen.

I am looking forward to Johnson’s trilogy because I think it’ll be a chance for him to tell his vision without being constrained or constraining another director.

But it’s so predictable…

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.

So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?

I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-

Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.

A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.

This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.

By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.

Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.

Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX

I agree redemption is certainly likely for him, but in my opinion it would be a cop out. Darth Vader shows far less emotion than Ben, and he was redeemed. The saga has established at this point anyone can be redeemed.

So if Space Hitler can be redeemed, is it any surprise Space Nixon can be redeemed? It would be a retred of the OT’s themes. This is why I think Ben shouldn’t be turned.

It wouldn’t be a cop out, and not to mention, the themes of the original trilogy will always be present in the saga. It was present in the prequels, it is in the sequels, and it will continue to be thriving within the saga. They are what make Star Wars, Star Wars. Star Wars has not been intended to present messages of revenge, hatred, lust and murder, it has always been about forgiveness and how good people can follow down a dark path, and about their internal conflict between good and evil.

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate …leads to suffering.

• Yoda, The Phantom Menace

The Prequel Trilogy has an interesting premise: a good man turns evil. It shows us many of the same OT themes but inverts them into a “don’t do this” instead of “do this”. The execution is terribly done, but the premise is there.

If Kylo turns back to the light, the ST will be a thematic redo of the OT. It will have nothing new to say. We do not need to see the same story repeat.

I can’t speak for others, but for myself a big part of the ST hype was seeing where the saga would go beyond RotJ. I don’t mean the original trio- I knew all along they would be replaced- but the galaxy and the themes it would present. Episode 9 is the make or break point for me, where the ST will choose to be a worthy part of the saga or a flashier OT.

Unlike Vader, Ben won’t die. It would be a waste if he did get redeemed and die in Episode IX. Anakin, on the other hand, had a full complete life. His story was finished in Return of the Jedi. If Lucasfilm wants to make Episodes X, XI and XII sometime in the future, they should have it be built and focused on Rey, Ben and their kids.

I don’t think this would make much of a difference, unless a significant part of Episode 9 is dedicated to Ben’s trial by the Republic on accounts of war crimes: showing your actions have consequences but you can still turn it around.

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.

So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?

I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-

Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.

A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.

This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.

By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.

Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.

Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX

I agree redemption is certainly likely for him, but in my opinion it would be a cop out. Darth Vader shows far less emotion than Ben, and he was redeemed. The saga has established at this point anyone can be redeemed.

So if Space Hitler can be redeemed, is it any surprise Space Nixon can be redeemed? It would be a retred of the OT’s themes. This is why I think Ben shouldn’t be turned.

It wouldn’t be a cop out, and not to mention, the themes of the original trilogy will always be present in the saga. It was present in the prequels, it is in the sequels, and it will continue to be thriving within the saga. They are what make Star Wars, Star Wars. Star Wars has not been intended to present messages of revenge, hatred, lust and murder, it has always been about forgiveness and how good people can follow down a dark path, and about their internal conflict between good and evil.

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate …leads to suffering.

• Yoda, The Phantom Menace

The Prequel Trilogy has an interesting premise: a good man turns evil. It shows us many of the same OT themes but inverts them into a “don’t do this” instead of “do this”. The execution is terribly done, but the premise is there.

If Kylo turns back to the light, the ST will be a thematic redo of the OT. It will have nothing new to say. We do not need to see the same story repeat.

I can’t speak for others, but for myself a big part of the ST hype was seeing where the saga would go beyond RotJ. I don’t mean the original trio- I knew all along they would be replaced- but the galaxy and the themes it would present. Episode 9 is the make or break point for me, where the ST will choose to be a worthy part of the saga or a flashier OT.

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.

So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?

I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-

Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.

A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.

This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.

By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.

Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.

Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX

I agree redemption is certainly likely for him, but in my opinion it would be a cop out. Darth Vader shows far less emotion than Ben, and he was redeemed. The saga has established at this point anyone can be redeemed.

So if Space Hitler can be redeemed, is it any surprise Space Nixon can be redeemed? It would be a retred of the OT’s themes. This is why I think Ben shouldn’t be turned.

Anakin Starkiller said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.

So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?

I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-

Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.

A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.

This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.

By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.

Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.

DominicCobb said:

Misrepresentations when it comes to Rey tend to be extremely one sided. The other day someone said Rey’s “only moment of weakness” is when she fails to turn Ben. This is the same Rey that in one scene literally becomes so emotional that she runs crying into a forest to be alone.

Oh, I have no problem with Rey in TFA. She had a solid self contained arc that could setup a great one. But TLJ failed to give Rey much of a character besides an unresolved “what is my place in all this” arc that is never finished.

Looking good!

snooker said:

What if the invasion of Naboo didn’t occur until the final act? What if the threat looming over the movie is that the home-world of one of our heroes will be destroyed?

Open with the escape from Naboo, go into Tatooine, go to Coruscant, and go back to Naboo.

It would be hard to explain why they are being attacked by droids and a fleet that hasn’t begun invasion yet.

As long as no one supports him we should be fine. When the edit comes out, no one review it, otherwise the Mouse could relate certain users obtaining his edit to this site.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

At the end of the day it comes down to these two lines:

After his greatest failure, Luke hangs from the side of cloud city, lacking weapons and a hand. Completely defeated, he calls for help… anyone.

After her greatest “failure” (this is her one moment of weakness so far) Rey escapes from the Supremacy, having failed to bring Ben Solo back. But her first line back is:

Yeah, I like this!

One thing that’s easy to forget apparently is that at the end of Empire, Luke’s back in tip top chipper shape (already has his hand back), confident and with a plan to save Han being his last line in the film. Whereas Rey’s last line in the film is one of fear and doubt.

It’s important to recognize the context of that scene: in Empire, the exchange concerns Han. They’ve spent a couple hours getting to the fleet and creating a plan. Luke is confident in this plan, or at least hopeful, which is why he is chipper. But had someone said “we probably won’t get Han back”, everyone would have had darker thoughts. The final shot is bittersweet; Luke hasn’t even addressed the Vader issue.

Rey’s scene is a bit sad, but is quickly overturned by Leia’s positive comment. Had Leia been a bit more concerned there would have been more drama. Instead, the final shot is the Resistance all smiling ready to fight another day.

At the end of the day it comes down to these two lines:

After his greatest failure, Luke hangs from the side of cloud city, lacking weapons and a hand. Completely defeated, he calls for help… anyone.

After her greatest “failure” (this is her one moment of weakness so far) Rey escapes from the Supremacy, having failed to bring Ben Solo back. But her first line back is:

Yeah, I like this!

snooker said:

OutboundFlight said:

snooker said:

I feel like the Death Star existing at all ruins all of Star Wars, from a certain point of view.

The Americans have built (and used) the nuke, what does everyone else do? They build their own, of course! Why doesn’t the Republic start building Death Stars after VI, or, better yet, why doesn’t the Empire build like 20 after their rise to power? Realistically the sequel trilogy should be about two sides having nuclear bombs pointed at each other yelling.

But it’s Star Wars, so it doesn’t need to make realistic, logical sense. The expanded universe tells us all the reasons that this doesn’t happen. Moviegoers don’t get that info, but they don’t care because the story is about the characters.

The Atomic Bomb is different because it has never been used by bad people. It’s two proper uses were the lesser of two evils at a time of world war. But if North Korea started decimating cities with no weapons, I’d bet the entire world would illegalize nukes once North Korea’s dealt with.

My sweet summer child…

Geneva Convention?

snooker said:

I feel like the Death Star existing at all ruins all of Star Wars, from a certain point of view.

The Americans have built (and used) the nuke, what does everyone else do? They build their own, of course! Why doesn’t the Republic start building Death Stars after VI, or, better yet, why doesn’t the Empire build like 20 after their rise to power? Realistically the sequel trilogy should be about two sides having nuclear bombs pointed at each other yelling.

But it’s Star Wars, so it doesn’t need to make realistic, logical sense. The expanded universe tells us all the reasons that this doesn’t happen. Moviegoers don’t get that info, but they don’t care because the story is about the characters.

The Death Star is widely associated as a symbol of tyranny and mass genoicde. The rebellion fought to prevent those weapons from ever being constructed, so it stands to reason the republic wouldn’t even consider building another superweapon. Doing so would cause mass riots.

The Atomic Bomb is different because it has never been used by bad people. It’s two proper uses were the lesser of two evils at a time of world war. But if North Korea started decimating cities with no weapons, I’d bet the entire world would illegalize nukes once North Korea’s dealt with.

TLDR: The Empire abused the Death Star to promote fear and evil, while the US used nukes to end a war which Japan was clearly losing but refused to surrender.

SWOTFAN25 said:

OutboundFlight said:

screams in the void said:

sounds reasonable to me …and wasn’t there something in the prequels about a "chosen one "?

The really weird thing about the chosen one was TPM started with utter peace.

Would have made more sense if say, the galaxy had been at war for centuries, like in KOTOR. I can only assume the prophecy was calling for “balance” by the force supporting his turn to the dark side and killing all but 2 Jedi and 2 Sith.

To my understanding, the dark side isn’t good. With the light side, the force is a Jedi’s ally. With the dark side, the force is an abused power. I don’t understand why a sentient force would support “balance”, because at no point does the dark side appear good. The Jedi were flawed yes, but partially turning to the dark side wouldn’t solve any of their problems.

It’s not weird considering the darkness that was rising in the shadows, and the eventual war and bloodshed that followed in the wake of TPM.

Yes, but to Jedi not believing the Sith are dead why has the chosen one arrived now? The only reasonable interpretation is that “balance” does not mean destruction of the dark side but equality between light and dark, in which case the Jedi have far more than the Sith. Did they know Anakin would turn evil all along?

Or are they just really, really stupid?

ROTS opening isn’t perfect, but it’s a ton of fun and my favorite part of the PT. After that the movie goes downhill, wish they hadn’t wasted EP 1 and 2 on pointless crap and showed the clone wars properly.

TCW has a lot of episodes similar to that scene, if you like the ROTS opening I recommend the show.

screams in the void said:

sounds reasonable to me …and wasn’t there something in the prequels about a "chosen one "?

The really weird thing about the chosen one was TPM started with utter peace.

Would have made more sense if say, the galaxy had been at war for centuries, like in KOTOR. I can only assume the prophecy was calling for “balance” by the force supporting his turn to the dark side and killing all but 2 Jedi and 2 Sith.

To my understanding, the dark side isn’t good. With the light side, the force is a Jedi’s ally. With the dark side, the force is an abused power. I don’t understand why a sentient force would support “balance”, because at no point does the dark side appear good. The Jedi were flawed yes, but partially turning to the dark side wouldn’t solve any of their problems.

Smithers said:

Maybe one could cut together a prequel anthology series where each episode spans 35-45 minutes long and just make up one small story of the many told from episode 1 to rogue one and solo

Now that’s a very interesting idea!

What if the entire movie was set in the Mos Eisly Cantina, intercut by the various backstories and adventures of the visitors?

Open with Obi-Wan and Luke entering the bar. After the arm incident- where the lightsaber is first revealed- cut to a 40 minute edit of TPM. Show the Jedi in their prime.

Next up is Han Solo. After Han bolsters his ship made the Kessel Run, show it. Cut to a 40 minute condensed Solo edit.

Last up, the Stormtroopers arrive. Here we get their backstory: a 40 minute Battle of Scarif edit.

Everything comes together at the end, where Obi-Wan returns to his prime, Han outmaneuvers the empire yet again, and the droids successfully escape the Empire on route to the rebels.

Though it may not line up perfectly with a watch of the OT, it wouldn’t break canon. I would argue all three of these stories have unnecessary padding; and by trimming them to the best there would be a very enjoyable movie. Best of all, it would manage to tell a cohesive story within these separate anthologies.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

In the Sequels, however, we are told the force likes to balance itself out. So to balance Snoke and Kylo we have Rey. But Rey wasn’t a Jedi before. The force just randomly called to her?

This sets up an interesting message: don’t work hard. Just hope you will be lucky and suddenly become the one gifted person in the galaxy. All because someone else worked really hard on the other side and we need balance.

That’s a very strange interpretation of those films. Do you remember how TLJ ended?

All the ending shows is one boy suddenly getting force powers. We have little context how he got these powers, so while I suppose its possible he has been spending his life training to be able to use the force, it’s more likely he just randomly got powers with ease. The death of Luke called upon the broom boy (the only one we see) to take his place in the light side.

You can look at it that way, but that’s not what the film is saying though.

Interesting POV. Where exactly does the film say otherwise?

The film is saying that Luke’s actions are inspiring the whole galaxy to follow his example. The kid on Canto Bight is just a random kid, just like Rey. It’s saying anyone can use the force, whether they’re poor and oppressed or their parents were nothing or whatever. For them, their force powers are because of their own belief in themselves and their ability to be part of something greater than their circumstance would typically allow for.

Anything else about Luke dying and the force choosing someone like you said is just fan theory.

I see how this could be interpreted, however, I never got that message from watching. He does it with little emotion, as if the force is a regular thing.

I think a better way to tell that scene would have been the broom boy to first look up into the sky, and to play the binary sunset. Then have him glance down to the Luke doll, inspired, and then towards the broom. He reaches out, nothing happens. Then he reaches out aagain, pulling all his might, and gets it to move a little. Then he reaches again, gets the broom, and look up smiling at the stars as triumphant music closes the film.

Maybe I worded it wrong, but I’m not suggesting that Luke inspiring him literally gave him force powers. I believe the suggestion is that he (and many others, like Rey), have always had the potential. But Luke is inspiring them to use that potential to reach further and become a part of something bigger than them.

What literally gave them the force powers in the first place seems to be irrelevant.

Agreed. I think everyone has the potential, they just need to work for it and believe like Obi-Wan says.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

In the Sequels, however, we are told the force likes to balance itself out. So to balance Snoke and Kylo we have Rey. But Rey wasn’t a Jedi before. The force just randomly called to her?

This sets up an interesting message: don’t work hard. Just hope you will be lucky and suddenly become the one gifted person in the galaxy. All because someone else worked really hard on the other side and we need balance.

That’s a very strange interpretation of those films. Do you remember how TLJ ended?

All the ending shows is one boy suddenly getting force powers. We have little context how he got these powers, so while I suppose its possible he has been spending his life training to be able to use the force, it’s more likely he just randomly got powers with ease. The death of Luke called upon the broom boy (the only one we see) to take his place in the light side.

You can look at it that way, but that’s not what the film is saying though.

Interesting POV. Where exactly does the film say otherwise?

The film is saying that Luke’s actions are inspiring the whole galaxy to follow his example. The kid on Canto Bight is just a random kid, just like Rey. It’s saying anyone can use the force, whether they’re poor and oppressed or their parents were nothing or whatever. For them, their force powers are because of their own belief in themselves and their ability to be part of something greater than their circumstance would typically allow for.

Anything else about Luke dying and the force choosing someone like you said is just fan theory.

I see how this could be interpreted, however, I never got that message from watching. He does it with little emotion, as if the force is a regular thing.

I think a better way to tell that scene would have been the broom boy to first look up into the sky, and to play the binary sunset. Then have him glance down to the Luke doll, inspired, and then towards the broom. He reaches out, nothing happens. Then he reaches out aagain, pulling all his might, and gets it to move a little. Then he reaches again, gets the broom, and look up smiling at the stars as triumphant music closes the film.