That would have been genius. I imagine it would be easy to edit, considering we have no idea what species Snoke is or what he looked like before scaring. You just need an actor (or animation).
The films doesn’t need anything to do with Anakin or Vader, something that is so played out and over done that it’s a toy selling joke at this stage. The tragedy of Vader gimme a break.
I’ve always assumed the tragedy of Vader was the entire saga. It just isn’t as obvious in the ST.
The Prequels are about Anakain’s fall, the Originals Anakin’s dark deeds and eventually redeemption. I think the Sequels are about Anakin’s legacy.
Kylo is motivated by Vader, hence the “tradegy” continues. Buy Rey is motivated by Luke, who was by extension motivated by Anakin. These two sides are conflicting.
With that in mind I hope for Hayden to return and play a vital role in redeeming Kylo (alongside Rey of course). Therefore closing the tradegy of Darth Vader.
One possibility with force ghosts is they aren’t the ones projecting themselves… but rather it is the Jedi who are seeing the dead.
I mean, are you seriosuly telling me out of all the Jedi who fought in the Clone Wars only three were deemed worthy enough of force ghost… when one of them slaughtered millions?
Also see how only Luke notices the ghosts on Endor.
My theory is in the SW universe everyone who dies goes to the afterworld. They cannot interact with the real world unless someone they know has mastery over the force.
So if Rey wanted, she could see a force ghost of Han Solo. Because she calls for guidance from the light or whatever. Same for Ben… he could meet both the ghost of Vader and the ghost of Anakin, because he feels the pull of both sides.
I know this has been deemed uncanon by Yoda’s reference at the end of Ep 3 but Star Wars has changed things in lore before.
I found the TFA to be decent yet ultimately a disappointment relative to the OT and PT. Didn’t enjoy TLJ score, it felt lackluster and repetitive.
Don’t even get me started on EA’s incompetance…
I have played the game since launch. Anakin was added today, which is nice.
^ I like Dom’s idea. Add categories / flairs when creating a new thread.
I don’t think the increase in media is going to over complicate too much. We’ll just stop redundantly arguing about the Last Jedi. 😉
I completely agree with your analysis of the Potter films. By the end they had gotten so dark, they lost all their fun.
The clips are a big improvement.
How exciting! Was afraid this wouldn’t happen after TLJ backlash.
I don’t know if I should put my trust in JJ, but especially after the ANH similarities being a major criticism of TFA, I like to think that JJ wants to have another go at the franchise in order to do something more original.
Regardless of what anybody thinks about why reused a lot of imagery from the OT and the purpose it served, it will be nice to get more new ideas into the franchise. I"m fairly optimistic about that regarding the future of the movies and shows.
If I just had to guess, I have a feeling that The Mandalorian will be the first big thing that will start bringing both sides of the divisive fan base back together.I am scared that The Mandalorian could give Star Wars overload, even if it is a TV show.
Oh I don’t think so 😃
I think it’s strange they treated the anthologies as “safe films” while “experimenting” with the saga films.
Personally, I don’t think they were envisioned that way, and I think ultimately the reasoning is probably that saga films are sure bets, while spin-offs are somewhat risky propositions to begin with, so they have to be careful not to limit too much the appeal of the latter.
Lucasfilm limited Gareth Edwards because they didn’t like his direction. And yet most fans applaud RO’s darker side and wanted more.
We don’t have the full picture, but I haven’t read anything that would suggest that “limiting Edwards because they didn’t like his direction” is true. That’s merely fan speculation.
Lucasfilm fires Lord and Miller for being too wacky. While I see their reasoning, after watching Spiderverse and LEGO Movie 2 I firmly believe these two are geniuses. Everything they touch sounds horrible and ends up perfect. What we got instead was a mediocre very safe movie- which is a shame.
Again, no full picture. While that reason is probably true, we need to remember that A) Lord/Miller did not direct either Spider-Verse or Lego Movie 2, and B) that a lot about what we got in Solo would have been the same even if they had indeed brought it to the finish line.
Both Rogue One and Solo have had extensive reshoots. The Last Jedi… all Kennedy kept saying was how much she likes working with Rian, how good his script and story is, how they are going to give him an entire trilogy before the movie has even been received.
To say they were confident is an understatement… there is a clear difference between the productions of these movies.
I think it’s strange they treated the anthologies as “safe films” while “experimenting” with the saga films.
Lucasfilm limited Gareth Edwards because they didn’t like his direction. And yet most fans applaud RO’s darker side and wanted more.
Lucasfilm fires Lord and Miller for being too wacky. While I see their reasoning, after watching Spiderverse and LEGO Movie 2 I firmly believe these two are geniuses. Everything they touch sounds horrible and ends up perfect. What we got instead was a mediocre very safe movie- which is a shame.
But with TLJ, Kathleen uncharacteristically have Rian full control. I’m not going to debate whether that was a good or bad idea… but of the Disney movies I think TLJ is the most a director’s vision.
And naturally, a single vision is divisive… whereas studio input is not. I think they should have experimented more with the spinoffs instead of saga. To me it’s the equivalent of playing Guardians of the Galaxy safe but Avengers all “out there”.
I think the real issue is this doesn’t feel like Star Wars at all, but instead some poorly made 80’s family film- featuring Ewok Costumes.
In regards to the plot:
I don’t see why we needed a Han Solo spin-off. I would have preferred it to be a new smuggler played by Alden, who has his own personality that suits the actor. Then the universe would be expanded, and there is a tension of will Alden survive.
Indeed, the marketing for Solo really fell flat. There are times I wonder if Disney was intentionally writing it off, expecting it to do decent at the box office simply because of the Star Wars brand, but really invested in Avengers or Mary Poppins.
I don’t think negative reception to TLJ had anything to do with Solo’s failure. I think the real problem was like you said, why should audiences watch Solo? The average person’s reaction was likely:
Another Star Wars movie? I mean they’re fun, but wasn’t the last one like 5 months ago?
Wait that’s not Harrison Ford! What’s with this?
This looks generic, nothing special.
No lightsabers this time, huh.
Eh, it looks fine but I don’t feel like watching another movie. Just saw Avengers and Deadpool.
I’m not annoyed by Rey being competent at lightsabers, I am annoyed by her being able to fly the Falcon. Is there an explanation for this?
Not my knowledge- Rey says it is her first time.
I suppose she learned the skill with speeders on Jakku? That’s probably where she learned to be fluent in Droid and Wookiee too.
I liked that scene a lot, but see where you are getting at.
If you ask me the real story starts too late. They have imo two options:
• Cut out the war scenes. Instead, Han escapes the Crime Syndicate at the starport but doesn’t enlist to the Army. How he meets Beckett and Chewie remains a mystery- it is assumed he joins their crew for a job. Simple, right to the point.
• Cut out the entire Corellia sequence, starting the film with an alternate opening reading: THE EMPIRE IS AT WAR, or something. Han starts a solider, and meets Beckett and Chewie. Qira’s relationship is explained through Han’s conversations with the other characters. Simple, right to the point.
I have a question concerning those who enjoyed TLJ. I’d honestly like to hear your POV and don’t want to start a debate.
One thing that has bothered me is how TLJ handles sacrifices. Early on Paige sacrifices herself, and it is seen as a heroic act. Later Holdo sacrifices herself and it is seen as an epic inspiring event.
But near the end, Finn attempts to sacrifice himself but is stopped. It’s here where Rose says it’s not about destroying what we hate, but saving what we love. As she says this, the door explodes in the background making it feels like a HISHE for me.
My point of confusion is, how is Holdo’s sacrifice any different to Finn’s? I can see how Luke’s standoff fits into the theme, but am confused regarding Holdo. Both characters- Finn and Holdo- had to destroy an enemy weapon to save what they loved.
I wonder if I am missing something. Does anyone have any opinions on the topic of sacrifice in TLJ?
Star Wars: Epilogue
Did you have any thoughts about showing/not showing Han and Leia “dying”?
I think flashes of Han getting stabbed immediately followed by the Raddus bridge explosion would be effective where Luke says “destroy everything I love”. It would add some emotional reasoning in favor of Luke’s momentary awakening. Just as long we have already seen these sequences, and are not spoiled.
Here’s a random idea I just had: it’s a bit strange for Ben to just happen to make up at the perfect time. What if instead, a mysterious dark voice said “awaken” or something of sorts? It could be inferred as Snoke (already in his mind) tricking the young Jedi. Might make it more tragic and less coincidence.
I agree. Show, don’t tell. Especially for something as radical as Luke losing hope.
I really like Kylo’s confrontation with Han, although I was spoiled of his death before seeing the movie so it never came much of shock in the moment.
What you said above reminds me of Leia in TLJ. One of my favorite scenes in that movie is when Ben can’t shoot his mother— but his prior actions have spiraled the situation out of control so that he has no choice left.
Speaking of which- any possibilities to keep Leia dead after this tragic perfect scene? She likely won’t be in much of 9.
I thought Darth Vader was the guy who choked the Pig Guards in Jabba’s Place, not Luke.
#ROTJPigmenNeverForget
Did you just assume Vader was hiding somewhere in Jabba’s palace while like and co did their thing? I am curious.
Honestly, I’m not sure. I think as a little kid I just never connected the dots of what happened to Vader… or I just changed the plot to accommodate a scene of Vader showing up, speaking to Jabba, and leaving.
I thought Darth Vader was the guy who choked the Pig Guards in Jabba’s Place, not Luke.
Has anyone turned the Prequels into audio dramas?
You’d be losing the greatest thing about them… and keeping… the dialogue?
The idea of redubbing Phasma is nice, but isn’t the bigger issue the fact that the FO captain continues to be dispatched with relative ease? The new character might even exacerbate the issue, since it shows that Phasma probably didn’t escape Starkiller, further diminishing her power.
I don’t think it’s necessary an issue, because I think Finn and Phasma have a complete arc in TFA. Perfect? No, it could use more in the beginning. But I never got the impression Finn vs Phasma was an ongoing fight. For Finn, the fight was more about the First Order in general, and his “moment to stand against the First Order” was against Kylo for Rey.
So come TLJ, I don’t think Finn vs Phasma needs to happen. A shame we lose an interesting character design, but keeping her around as a major player is uneeded.
So this Captain does very little besides have a few likes. I would cut out the battle with Finn, it has poor continuity and ends with a questionable BB8 rescue. Everyone else supposedly dies or is blocked off. It will go like: execution scene + hyperspace ram + a bunch of other scenes + Finn and Rose crashland on Crait.