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Return of the Jedi (Chronological Saga) - (* Final version released *)

Late reply, but it was a very entertaining watch, IlFanEditore. The rescores are mostly very well done, and the new music really fits the scenes. The new VFX and CC are also fantastic - highlights are the enhanced lightsabers and the colors on Endor. A very well done edit. Congratulations, I personally thought it was awesome 😄

What is the main Star Wars Saga about?

SW can be seen as completely detached from the other 8. It was the only one made without the ideas of the saga in place, and it shows. It really does stand alone and I can never watch it without getting the feeling that the story could well have been over at the end of it.

Lucas can say what he wants, I don’t see his 6 part saga as about “The Tragedy of Darth Vader”, but I get that, original film aside, it is a way one could see it. I’m not at all that bummed that the ST “trumped” that understanding, though. Thematically, however, I think the ST kind of falls short. It has one movie that left something to be desired (TFA) one movie that tried giving it all meaning through beautiful character studies and journeys (TLJ) and ??? (TROS), so depending on my mood, the Star Wars saga is either one movie long, three movies long, six movies long or seven movies long, with TLJ serving as an epilogue.

But then again, I think the question of the thread was already answered with great mastery by NFBisms and DominicCobb a couple pages back.


There 100% was a love triangle in Star Wars and Empire, it’s not something you can argue against, it’s there. Since Leia had to be retconned into being the twin sister for Jedi, the love triangle had to be ditched, simple as that. But I don’t see how you can watch Star Wars and Empire and claim there isn’t a love triangle in play…

Any favorite Star Wars scenes?

Well, here’s a top 10:

  1. Trench Run - Star Wars
  2. Master Skywalker/Sunset - The Last Jedi
  3. Father vs. Son/A Jedi’s Fury/Vader’s Redemption/Anakin Unmasked/Funeral Pyre - Return of the Jedi
  4. Binary Sunset - Star Wars
  5. Birth and Rebirth/Darth Vader Awakens/The Future of the Twins/A New Hope - Revenge of the Sith
  6. There Is No Try - The Empire Strikes Back
  7. Birth of the Empire - Revenge of the Sith
  8. Darth Vader vs. Rebels - Rogue One
  9. Obi-Wan Confronts Padmé - Revenge of the Sith
  10. First Transport Away/Rebels In Retreat - The Empire Strikes Back
Ranking the Star Wars films

Bumping this thread because I think I’ve finally arrived at my definitive ranking of these films:

  1. Star Wars (1977)
  2. The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
  3. Return of the Jedi (1983)
  4. Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005)
  5. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016)
  6. Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
  7. Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
  8. Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones (2002)
  9. Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008)
  10. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999)
  11. Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
  12. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019)

As you all can see… I’m not a fan of J. J. Abrams.


EvantheKidDS said:

Though, there is something that worries me, about ANH:R (HD)…

I keep re-watching ANH:R (SD) and, somehow I feel like some aspects about ANH:R (SD) will not remain intact. Like, ANH:R (HD) will not be what I remember of it, or how I would like to feel about it. I grew up watching this fan-edit, loving every feeling it gave me. It was like a fusion of A New Hope, with some aspects inspired from Revenge of the Sith. I feel as if ANH:R (HD) will not become this anymore… More like, it would become more like A New Hope mixed in entirely with Rouge One, with other aspects I would not particularly like. I just wished somethings were kept in the same way like the battleship-grey being seen in any Imperial Starship, or the Death Star itself.

What do you think about my thoughts? Does it seem reasonable?

My good friend, I keep receiving emails on this thread, as I have subscribed to it, but it’s always about your side project. Sure, it is an upscale on Revisited, so it is related to this project, but not everyone that wants updates on Ady’s versions wants updates on yours. So, could you please start your own thread about your upscale? I don’t think posting constant updates fits here, and I don’t want to keep getting them, personally.

What is the main Star Wars Saga about?

NFBisms said:

It’s pretty simple I’d think: Star Wars as a series is about storytelling, and the act of passing stories down. It’s rooted in a fun genre pastiche, with the original film(s) as a classic monomyth set in a storied world. The prequels then set out to deconstruct the ideals inherent in those stories from a more sociopolitical angle (The Empire rooted in capitalism, the classical masculine ideals are problematic, etc.) then the sequels tr(ied) to make sense of it all from a postmodernist perpsective: why are these stories important to us? How do you apply their lessons to real and imperfect people?

On every level, from Luke’s quest to fulfill his father’s legacy, to George’s borrowing of references, to even its cultural impact thereafter - Star Wars is about legends and how we interpret them. How the Jedi interpet their code, how Luke chooses to see his father, how Rey or Kylo see history, and their futures.


How could everyone overlook this perfect post?

Name Something You Unreservedly Love About The Rise Of Skywalker

I might as well just quote what I was going to say since its already been said:

NeverarGreat said:

I also really love the fact that we finally got an extended adventure with the Poe/Finn/Rey crew, something that none of the other films ever did.

Broom Kid said:

Everything Threepio

The little shrug Ben gives when he pulls the saber from behind his back

There’s more too, such as Poe’s arc’s fulfillment. Character-wise, probably what I loved the most in this film. Also the Ben - Han scene. Really liked it, and I still think it was Leia that triggered the vision.

Ranking the Star Wars films

Omni said:

Updated ranking after second TROS watch:

  1. Star Wars
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. Return of the Jedi
  4. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
  5. Rogue One
  6. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
  7. Solo
  8. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
  9. Star Wars: The Last Jedi
  10. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
  11. Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Having seen TROS a third time recently - and I only saw Solo once, 3 days before TROS’ release, so… that’s two movies I’ve had to allow to sink in.

  1. Star Wars
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. Return of the Jedi
  4. Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith
  5. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
  6. Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones
  7. Solo: A Star Wars Story
  8. Star Wars: The Last Jedi
  9. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
  10. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace
  11. Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Might as well break it down since it’s not your usual ranking:

TROS is such a wild beast. I enjoy it, but… there’s nothing there. It’s so hollow. It’s dumb, fan-fic-y, and that’s fun, but at the same time that’s not really what this should be about. So it’s only above the two films I actually don’t really like at all.

It also hurts to put TLJ ‘last’, so to speak (it’s the last one of the ones I can really have a good time with), but what can I do. The less interesting part of the film is… well… I don’t really like it. And it feels like a different movie. And the more interesting part depends on some key things that just don’t work for me. They almost do, but they don’t. But it’s a bold and beautiful film, and I’ve grown to appreciate it a lot more recently, especially after TROS.

Solo was fun, even if there seemed to have something missing. But I liked it. Not much to be said I think.

AotC reminds me of TLJ in lots of ways. Out of the two stories going on, one is very good and the other not so much (for different reasons). I can excuse AotC’s stupidly cringy moments though, because the story the movie’s telling is just so interesting. TLJ’s story didn’t get me as hooked (mostly TFA’s fault) and so whatever felt off felt much more off than in AotC for example. AotC also makes the galaxy feel like such a huge and mysterious world. What I’m trying to say is that I see some redeeming qualities to this film and I just enjoy it for the most part.

Rogue One is a near perfect SW film to me: its faults are mainly in a couple of underdeveloped characters. Only reason it’s fifth is because RotS is also a near perfect SW film in my book and there’s more emotional investment to that one than to RO. And then, well, the OT’s above it as well because, well, it’s the OT.

Speaking of the OT, I sooo wish I could place RotJ higher. Maybe even first. But its first and second acts are just not on par with Star Wars or TESB. There’s also the sister thing, and the underutilized written-in-in-the-last-couple-of-weeks Han Solo… but, to me, Luke still manages to carry it fairly well. And what the heck it’s still Return of the Jedi, it’s still fucking awesome.

And TESB and SW are perfect.

4K restoration on Star Wars

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

I should point out that Star Wars won an Academy Award for editing (due in no small part to the work of Marcia Lucas), so being in awe of its original editing is not unwarranted.

People tend not to realize I suppose that Lucas oversaw the editing team and even did some editing himself on the film.

This. The editors said it themselves when receiving the Academy Award.