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#237150
Topic
Apocalypse Now - Workprint (now available) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237150/action/topic#237150
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
Interesting. I bought the "Complete Dossier" today, and I was surprised at how sparse the extras were. Sure, there's a couple interesting features, but no workprint or "Hearts Of Darkness" were included. That sucks. I'd be interested in obtaining a copy of the workprint, and I have stuff from here I could trade, I guess.


Although, it does have some of the deleted scenes from the workprint. Even the quality on the official DVD is lacking... obviously a 1970s U-matic with a timecode. One scene is presented newly mastered, but it's heavily damaged and partially faded.
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#230850
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230850/action/topic#230850
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Originally posted by: DaveHolmes
ocpmovie - have you seen this site before?

http://www.dougiekirk.com/Animation-Thief-Cobbler-1.html

His resume says he worked on the film from Nov 1990-May 1992.


fyi, the first background is for the wide shot of Zig-Zag walking up to Mighty One-Eye (right after the bravura pullback)
The last one is for the shot of the the balls being raised along with the One-Eyes flag.

I was able to overlay the frames from the workprint and they fit almost exactly... except that the background images are flipped backwards.

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2130/widecr9.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8595/wide2tg8.jpg
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#230296
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230296/action/topic#230296
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Aaand when I posted that I thought "two minutes til Ogg Oggilby weighs in on this" ...


Dick copied that clip exactly .... verrry interesting.


Yeah, I was thinking it would only be mildly similar and then I saw how even Harpo sliding on the floor is captured. Note: The Thief is the one exactly modeled on the shot (he frantically looks around unlike Tack).

I have Intolerance on DVD, so I'll have to see if I can spot that shot used for reference.
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#228230
Topic
Vertigo mono track (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228230/action/topic#228230
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The box set is very well worth it... they're selling some of the remasters on their own now for $14.99 street price. So, technically $85 would be like getting just five of the singles (like Rear Window, Vertigo, Psycho, The Birds, and Rope). It's also worth saying that the box set has a 16x9 remaster of Vertigo that is much better than the first DVD.

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#226564
Topic
Info Wanted: Charlie Chaplin shorts - where can I find them?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226564/action/topic#226564
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Originally posted by: Byakko
So the Mutuals 90th anniversary edition with scores by Carl Davis are the 4-disc set you recommended? That doesn't appear on Amazon, hopefully it will soon. About the lost keystone short, is at least its name known? I'd like to scour the web for it...


P.S: are the Essanays on the Amazon links I posted the same as the ones from Overstock you linked me to?


Yes, get the version with Carl Davis scores. The Essanay links are identical to what I posted earlier.

Please avoid the Platinum discs unless you have money to throw away. The quality is often horrible.

I said it before, but if you want the MK2 special editions, order the PAL R2 versions from England. The R1 Warner versions suffer from really bad ghosting due to improper conversion from PAL to NTSC.
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#226532
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226532/action/topic#226532
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Originally posted by: macronencer
it's a frame from the explosion when the witch lights the match :]


It is indeed. Well done! That sequence is very interesting in freeze-frame mode, I must say. I've often wondered how that kind of thing is animated, and it was instructive to look at it.

Actually, I've been freeze-framing quite a lot, and I'm making a list of interesting stuff that I've spotted... and there are quite a few things. One of my favourites is in the war machine, when a piece of wood with a crescent moon cut out of it flies past, closely followed by a roll of toilet paper, still on its spindle


While the Thief is taking flight, he rushes over an exit sign. While the Miramax DVD is a little too soft to make out all the text, it has obscene graffiti all over it. When he's leaving the golden statue area (workprint only), you can see billboards for Karma-Kola and 7th Heaven in the background (designed as parodies of Coca-Cola and 7-Up ads).
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#223401
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223401/action/topic#223401
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A short list of workprint music cues:

- Opening/prologue: uncredited, but styled after Ralph Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
- "Love Theme": uncredited (although, I strongly suspect this may be the rumored George Martin work since it does have a lot of similarities to Martin's score for Yellow Submarine)
- Dance of the One Eyes/March of the One-Eyes: uncredited (the "Dance" track sounds a lot like it could be the "Dix Six" jazz band that Richard Williams fronted, plus someone with a violin/fiddle near the end of the cue)
- The really grand music used in several points (like the staircase chase) is Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov
- A short cue during the March of the One Eyes section (up until the shot of the elephants being lowered, later when the Nurse shouts): Mountaineer's Dance/Dance of the Boys - Aram Khatchurian
- The music when The Thief finally gets the golden balls is "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles"
- A short bit of Tico Tico is played when the witch grabs Tack down
- There's a lot of other original music at various points that's still uncredited. I'd imagine Richard Williams had some hand in composing some of it since he's a musician too.
- I think it's obvious what was added to the shots of the Thief flying and also the Fantasia homage

(a lot of this is from stuff some people pointed out earlier in this massive thread)


I really think tygerbug did a great job with adding music for the latest version, even if doesn't sync as well as the Robert Folk score. The problem with that is the lack of music for deleted footage. Russian Easter Overture just sounds awesome for the war machine destruction, IMO. I'll admit that Robert Folk's score for parts of the war machine destruction is pretty good. The unfortunate comparatively low fidelity of the workprint track makes the sequences with only sound effects can be tiring to the ears. Although, a few sections have surprisingly high quality sound in spots, despite some hiss.
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#223150
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223150/action/topic#223150
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Considering that Zemeckis directed Dick's "other movie" masterfully, it's quite an interesting story. I'd never heard it before.

The problem is that you CAN'T make a real movie out of the footage that Williams had finished - no footage of Tack and the Princess was animated after the middle of the movie. So your protagonists vanish halfway through.

I'd be curious to see it, though. This gives me an excuse to actually try to write Bob Zemeckis.


Perhaps it did use unfinished animation (pencils only... as seen in the Calvert WIP), not fully photographed work? I guess it would be possible to work around stuff that remained in storyboard form, but it would also mean a lot of finished work would be cut out (namely a lot of the brigands and the witch). Although, it looks like only a little over three minutes of the film were fully photographed within those three months between the June workprint and the September workprint (both 1992) so he'd only have about 65 minutes of finished footage to work from.
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#219981
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/219981/action/topic#219981
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Judging from the trailer video, it seems to have really nice video quality for a VHS source. It's a pity that the timecode intrudes on the image, but it at least means less workprint.

I'm eager to see how the Princess DVD overlaid the widescreen VHS looks. Since you can convert the VHS into 24p without blurring, I'd imagine it would look miles better than before. Of course, I'm only stating the obvious.
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#216535
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216535/action/topic#216535
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Ok, new rebroadcasts of the newest Recobbled Cut on GBS-TV ( www.gbs.tv )

June 8th - Thursday, 9:00 PM Eastern
June 9th - Friday, 11:00 AM Eastern

More broadcasts as needed by demand. I'm hoping the 2nd screening will be suitable for those in the Europe, Asia, and Aus/NZ.

Still, it's only a long commercial to me. Seeing this reduced to 320x240 is laughable, but it at least gets people interested in the film. Not to mention it persuades people to either download the DVD or ask ocp for it.
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#211087
Topic
Info Wanted: Charlie Chaplin shorts - where can I find them?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211087/action/topic#211087
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For his Keystones, pretty much all the "collections" are of near-unwatchable quality. A few properly made silent comedy sets contain great prints, but really just in Slapstick Encyclopedia (from Image). However, there is a massive restoration effort going on at the British Film Institute to restore all of Chaplin's Keystone shorts (except for the sole lost one).

The Essanay shorts have three terrific volumes from Image. DON'T get the 7-disc set with Mutuals and Essanays...

The Mutuals are going to be re-released soon in a new 4-disc set that has brand new remasters and orchestral scores. The current DVD's have too much video noise and very bad snythesizer music.

Here's the three Essanay volumes (cheapest on Overstock.com):
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=54554&PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=473319&fp=F&siteID=GYlB7G134v4-dFsZ5kGdShspfHuIVvvBAA&cid=60488&fp=F
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=54554&PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=232114&fp=F&siteID=GYlB7G134v4-wXYX4nA0qJxEEVu8yjwg1Q&cid=60488&fp=F
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=54554&PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=510124&fp=F&siteID=GYlB7G134v4-ozw314hsdh1At7QK20ThTw&cid=60488&fp=F

The new Mutual set (cheapest on DeepDiscountDVD):
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemid=IMA002477&promotion=y
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#209464
Topic
What is the rarest video in your collection?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209464/action/topic#209464
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As for DVD, I have old editions of some Charlie Chaplin films released in 2000 on DVD (based on the terrific 1992-1993 laserdiscs). They were taken out of print in favor of "special editions" which used poor quality PAL-to-NTSC conversions. I also had a rare 4-disc Beatles set (including Help! and Magical Mystery Tour), but I opted to sell it for $150 and burn myself some copies. There's also the matter of a lot of Disney stuff that they took out of print.

On VHS, my prize for a while was the original SP tape for UHF. Now the DVD is out, it's worthless. For a while, I had an SP tape of the MST3K episode Gorgo (which aired only once), but it was stolen from my collection.