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#252550
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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So, the nurse remains uncredited? It seems odd since she gets more screentime than the dying soldier. Perhaps she's uncredited because either Margaret French or Imogen Sutton did the voice?

I can also barely see the next page with a sequence listing under the cast listing. If I'm not mistaken, it lists the One-Eye Invasion right after the prologue.
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#252427
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Originally posted by: DaveHolmes
Guess what just showed up on eBay - an original script for "The Thief Who Never Gave Up":

http://cgi.ebay.com/A-piece-of-animation-history-Dont-miss-this_W0QQitemZ320039831009QQihZ011QQcategoryZ18833QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here we have a working script for "The thief who never gave up" also known by several other names including, The thief and the cobbler, Once and others. There is several web sites detailing the history of this film which is far to complicated to go into detail on here. The Script is in a green leather effect folder with the title "The thief who never gave up" on the front . I think this was originally in gold writting but has since worn off and is now just in black with traces of gold. I dont know the exact date of this item but it is definately earlier than stated on the first page when it had a name change to "ONCE" This was done by putting a sticker on the page and is dated 1988. The book consists of 154 pages and is in excellent condition.I really dont know much more about this item but i will be more than happy to answer any questions about it if i can. If you want more pics of the pages, (not all of them please) please use the "ask seller a question" feature and state your email address and i will send you what you need.

http://i11.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/b3/8d/f2_1.JPG
http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/b9/a4/f8_1.JPG
http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/b1/b5/b2_1.JPG


Good grief, there's no telling what's in there. It must have a ton of extra stuff since 150 pages is way too big for the film.
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#244840
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Info: What is your dream fan edit if you could get the rare footage?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244840/action/topic#244840
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Originally posted by: bdev
Orson Welles' The Magnificent Ambersons ..... I've going to give it a go pretty soon with storyboard illustrations, surviving stills, the Criterion laserdisc presentation of Welles' radio play, and this book.

Supposedly the studio sent the full version to Welles in Brazi to editl, then they promptly chopped it up for release (142 to 88 minutes,) and burned the rest. Next time I'm in Brazil I'll have to check the pawn shops.

--bdev


From what I've read, they didn't burn the deleted footage, but rather vaulted it. It ended up at a Paramount vault, but no one knows what happened to it.
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#244627
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244627/action/topic#244627
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I contacted the reviewer on Home Theater Forum that reviews Disney and Weinstein releases (David Boulet) and he said he'll tell me when he gets a screener. All sites list the November date now.

So he has a better context for the film, I'll send him copies of the workprint (which I'm going to clean up in Final Cut Pro at my college's video lab), the Princess VHS rip, and the Recobbled Cut.
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#243701
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243701/action/topic#243701
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Originally posted by: TServo2049
Did either Price or Quayle record new material during the 1989-92 period?


Quayle died in 1989 and Richard Williams mentions he had the dialogue he needed by 1988 (as seen in I Drew Roger Rabbit). I do wonder if Price re-recorded material much later in order for prime fidelity. Given that Williams spared no expense on the animation itself, it wouldn't surprise me if he made sure voices were recorded in the best quality possible. The Price dialogue in the released version along with Quayle's "vocal cameo" and the other intact voices sound great.
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#243441
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<em><strong>Eyes Wide Shut</strong></em> (Original Cut Preservation / Edit) (* unfinished project *)
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Stanley Kubrick shot all of his films after Killer's Kiss for widescreen. He only asked for them to be shown unmatted when possible on the old laserdisc masters he approved back in 1991-1992. He died before having a chance to approve new transfers made for the 16x9 format. The decision to go open matte had more to do with wanting to use available image instead of letterbox bars since it wasted a lot of resolution. He protected his films for either ratio, so it was a smart move. Now that we have anamorphic widescreen, it's a moot point.

Here's how his films should be shown:

Killer's Kiss - 1.33:1
The Killing - 1.75:1
Paths of Glory - 1.75:1
Spartacus - 2.20:1 (70mm prints, preferable) or 2.35:1 (35mm scope prints, which is fine too)
Lolita - 1.66:1
Dr. Strangelove - 1.66:1
2001: A Space Odyssey - 2.20:1 (obviously)
A Clockwork Orange - 1.66:1
Barry Lyndon - 1.66:1
The Shining - 1.85:1
Full Metal Jacket - 1.85:1
Eyes Wide Shut - 1.85:1

Also, the new DVDs for The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut will be 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen. Eyes Wide Shut will be uncut. A Clockwork Orange will be 1.66:1 anamorphic widescreen.
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#242384
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242384/action/topic#242384
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Well stated.

Looking at past reconstructions of films (live-action), a lot of the more complex ones nearly always had at least minimal directorial assistance. Napoleon was reconstructed by Kevin Brownlow while consulting an elderly Abel Gance. It was another case of a film with a lot of existing footage left out, but also a lot not meant to be inserted back. Lawrence of Arabia actually had David Lean knee-deep in the project - he made new editorial decisions that time-constraints didn't allow back in 1962. He even directed the voice re-recording needed due to sound recordings being lost over time. Spartacus was restored with minimal input from Kubrick (since he apparently wasn't that fond of it since it was basically a "for hire" project), but he did answer stuff via fax.

However, the ones hacked and gutted rarely do. Orson Welles couldn't offer input on Touch of Evil (only a 40 page memo outlining changes he wanted to the studio release) and obviously couldn't for The Magnificent Ambersons. The latter is further hurt by the fact that we recently lost Robert Wise - the original editor (and supplementary director for some re-shot footage).

It's beating a dead horse, but it wouldn't even be that kind to pull Williams back into this. If he's working on something new, the last thing he needs is to hold off on yet another project so he can work on another. It wouldn't be fair to get "Thief" at the expense of having an unfinished new film. Even if he wanted to give advice, would Williams really have the same viewpoint as he did in 1992? He was always working on a little bit of the film from the 1960s to the early 1990s. I can't imagine how tough it would be to just go back after 15 years hiatus.

That being said, the money spent properly finishing it would at least make it a prestige project. Do you think Disney has made any profit off Destino? At least it could get a limited NY/LA release and qualify for the Best Animated Feature Oscar. It would probably win that, as well as sweeping the Annies.

Fox spent $5 million restoring "The Black Swan" which I hadn't even heard of until the DVD came out. They're selling the disc for $14.98 SRP and will probably never make back just a tenth of that cost. But it's restored and preserved for posterity's sake. Disney could try out a preview screening of the september workprint (perhaps revised for better quality) to guage audience reactions. One idea could be to work out something with Turner Classic Movies to run Who Framed Roger Rabbit and the workprint back-to-back.

If Disney starts a completion/reconstruction now, it doesn't matter if they make money immediately. If it's in the can, it can make money a decade or two later. It worked for Fantasia, Bambi, and Alice in Wonderland... Even without Richard Williams being involved, just the available bootleg materials have given us a really good idea of how it should all be put together correctly. Now imagine access to every bit of existing material (film reels, pencil drawings, cels, backgrounds, storyboards, layouts, voice and music recordings, sound effects, timing sheets, etc)!

Even without Richard Williams participating, it's not like the film could be made any worse than what's already out there.

I'm overly idealist and optimistic, but Disney deserves all the support they can get. I thought a Variety ad would have been a way to get people interested and encourage Disney. No confrontation or ill will like Gilliam's ad. But if it would appear to be confrontational, that's that last thing we need.
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#241914
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241914/action/topic#241914
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OCP, did you ever watch The Comedy of Terrors? Right now, I picture the Brothers Weinstein as morticians re-using the same coffin for another body.

Can't wait for that awesome packaging, though. They should have splurged and made it a 2-disc release by including the fantastic soundtrack.


So, between the new Star Wars DVDs and this, how does it feel to have a one-person operation outdoing major studios?
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#240580
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240580/action/topic#240580
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Screeners of the new "Thief" disc haven't been sent to DVD reviewers yet (per the Disney/Touchstone/Weinstein/etc. reviewer at the Home Theater Forum). I haven't even recieved a reply from Amazon.com for cover art confirmation. I'm guessing they're following the theatrical release by waiting until the last minute. Probably a wise decision since many critics who did review the film completely trashed it as a rip-off...

I live close to a Best Buy, so I'll just take a trip there so I can read the back cover myself.
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#240288
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240288/action/topic#240288
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I watched the whole camera tests reel... good grief, it's awesome to see all these finished shots in pencil form. Especially the "death chute" near the end of the film.

A lot of curiosities, though... I spotted pencils for the shot right after the "flower ballet" shot with Yum-Yum placing them in the vase. You see it several times, with each instance becoming more refined. The 360 degree tightrope shot (with the thief) is shown completely finished with a complete background. Yet the partial take used in the film is from the "test" take with rough backgrounds! It's a really awesome shot since there's several layers to the background with it all shifting in perspective. I'm guessing it never shot on film, just on video for a test.

The letterboxed Princess tape looks quite good... a step up from the workprint. I like how we can finally see a properly centered version... with the workprint being too cropped on the left and the 16x9 DVD exposing too much on the left. The workprint-only shots in the Warner trailer are much sharper and clearer, but they have a lot of dot crawl.
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#238957
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238957/action/topic#238957
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Whoa. That's a little ironic that they were surprised you hadn't contacted them yet, since the consensus would be that Williams wouldn't take it well!

I've said it before, but Disney may have legal rights to attack this, but it's free publicity.

HOWEVER, there's multiple listings on Amazon.com:

The 2005 P&S DVD - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006Q93L0/sr=8-1/qid=1156709726/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3916514-9734314?ie=UTF8
The Sept. 12 widescreen DVD - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GFLKE4/sr=1-2/qid=1156709772/ref=sr_1_2/104-3916514-9734314?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
The Nov. 21st DVD - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HLDFO0/sr=1-2/qid=1156709809/ref=sr_1_2/104-3916514-9734314?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
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#238947
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238947/action/topic#238947
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If we're getting a widescreen edition just five months after this internet explosion as well as a possibly better disc two months later, we obviously caught the attention of people.

I don't care how busy Don Hahn is or anyone else we could contact at Disney, but we absolutely need to take the bull by the horns. We need to start a fierce letter-writing campaign. All we need is a contact.
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#238532
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238532/action/topic#238532
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You really ought to try getting some materials from Fred Calvert. Regardless of your opinion of him, it's worth sucking up a little for the possibility of getting the September '92 workprint and any other rare materials. It's been long enough since you've called him initially. Just be really nice and complement him on the stuff he finished from Williams storyboards/pencils. Yeah, we know it's not exactly the best work, but he at least tried.

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#238354
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238354/action/topic#238354
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Yes, the witch scene was clearly animated (and presumably finished, apart from probably Nura/Meemee's part) as we see it there, and then reworked mostly in editing to include Tack/Yumyum instead.

Very strange original punchline to it. Note that the witch doesn't blow herself up either.

So, only something like two Williams-animated changes from the original then. We do see the witch pull Tack to the ground, which would have been reanimated from a shot of her pulling herself up onto the Beast, and we see her blow herself up (and meet the Thief).

The rest only filled in by Calvert really.


It was interesting to find out why the emerald scene has more footage (as seen in the Princess credits). It also explains why the Thief looks like such an old design while the bordering scenes have him revised. I wonder if Williams intended to re-do that scene to make it match the Thief in the rest of the film. It's not too obvious, but what gives the age away is the stiffness of the pan when the Thief dumps out all his stolen goods. All the other pans and tilts are much smoother.
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#238274
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238274/action/topic#238274
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Happy birthday Toledo.

By the way, I'll go ahead and mention that I have something really cool in the works. I was finally accepted into a film production course, which means I'm getting the chance to make some shorts with other peers. The first short we're working on is a chase sequence. How does this apply to "Thief" you ask? I'm going to try out the "hidden cut zoom" technique in live-action (you know, how RW made a zoom shot look continuous but it's really two shots spliced together), as well as putting in two brief homages. I'll put it on youtube when it's completed.
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#237614
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237614/action/topic#237614
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After looking around, some websites are listing a "new release" for Sept. 12 that has an MSRP of $19.98 from the Weinstein Company. It's out of print on Amazon.com. It'll at least be cheaper, so if you want an official "The Thief and the Cobbler" drink coaster, it'll only be $13.99 instead of $29.99.

I haven't recieved a reply from the HTF poster yet about this "collector's edition." Wouldn't it be funny if they decided to rip the RC DVD and sell it themselves?
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#237552
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237552/action/topic#237552
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I'm frantically trying to find information to back this up, but someone mentioned on the Home Theater Forum that a collector's edition is coming on November 21st from The Weinstein Company. Don't get your hopes up because I'm betting it's either a price reduction on the current crappy DVD (this disc will be MSRP $19.96) or just as worse, just a new remaster of the Miramax cut.