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#258188
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Info: Fantasia 16mm - for sale on Ebay
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258188/action/topic#258188
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According to the version notes on the Fantasia Legacy DVD, the 1968 re-issue simply spliced out the offending shots! The 1982 version (with a new soundtrack recording) also cut out the portions, but the soundtrack was properly mixed to keep jumps from happening. The 1991 restoration (of the 1947 theatrical cut) zoomed in and cropped. The 2000 Roadshow version DVD again zooms and digitally removes characters (one shot only... the rest are awful quality zooms).

It's funny since the version notes have NO mention of the 2000 DVD being censored!
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#257780
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257780/action/topic#257780
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Originally posted by: Spock
So when you going to upload the regular workprint?


Eventually. I'm probably going to have to lay out the 2nd gen and re-align the soundtrack to the 1st gen according to that. I'll also have to splice in a few bits from that where there's tape dropouts. I think I can grab a few bits from the Calvert WIP since there's a few war machine shots that look less compressed and blocky than the 1st gen AVI. I'd also like to try to clean it up as much as possible, like removing splices and freezing storyboards.
Although, ocp, did you already do a re-synch of the 1st gen for DVD-R?
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#257707
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257707/action/topic#257707
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The Thief and the Cobbler: "International Cut/Princess Version"

I'm actually watching it all the way through since I didn't see any use in spending 80 minutes watching something in pan & scan... maybe because the Miramax version is so horrible, but it's quite watchable. If you edit out the song sequences (except maybe for beem boom since it's sort of catchy), I'd go as far to say it deserves a "3/5" compared to the Miramax's "1/5" Calvert at least seemed to understand that the Thief and Tack were co-stars in their own plot threads. If he left alone the voices and actually tried to work with Tack's muteness, I'd consider it to be more like what happened to Superman II... yeah, the original vision was compromised, but it still managed to be a really good movie. Major problems aside, the One-Eyes lose their impact without being a surprise later in the film. Continuity problems really become annoying... it doesn't make any sense for the Nurse to smile at Tack fixing her glasses, then immediately being a jerk. Other than the extra animation being quite awful, the re-editing of the Thief's attempts to get the golden statue is amusing since it echoes how it took so many attempts to get the balls.
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#257637
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257637/action/topic#257637
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Is the Mark II looking distorted to anyone? My original file that I uploaded is 16x9 and Google Video is playing it squashed! I checked my original AVI and it's not like this... has anyone downloaded it to see if it's distorted in that form, too?

Oh, the "Princess" cut should be online shortly (letterboxed). Garrett, which DVD has that second commercial reel (the one with the flash frame of breasts during the opening countdown )?
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#257569
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257569/action/topic#257569
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The "flyover re-do" is just a demo of color correction and digital enhancement/stabilization. All I did is adjust colors to get rid of the red tint, make Zig-Zag a better shade of blue, and make black levels more inky. After watching the Film Board of Canada intros, you can clearly see the background used for the really wide shot of the square (when the Nurse is throwing around the Thief). The colors are quite vibrant (like Technicolor), but not to the point of being garish like Miramax's P.O.S.

At this point, it may even be a good idea to do some sort of shot-by-shot digital enhancement now that TWC is a bunch of charlatans.


Also: I never said that demo's color is totally accurate. It's just meant to get rid of pink Zig-Zag, pink/white skies, and orange sand. It may have to do with my suspicion that the R2 DVD was from a theatrical print instead of a properly balanced interpositive. 35mm prints have contrast and color balanced for xenon arc lamps, thus are inadequate for video transfers.


Also, Also: I just checked my pageview/download stats for my Google Video account. Which six of you knuckleheads went through the trouble to download the Miramax cut?
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#257525
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257525/action/topic#257525
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Again, I should have uploaded both to begin with (or just re-sync the workprint).

The full Mark II is up! The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut (Mark II)

On the DVD forums I usually frequent, if anyone mentions the new DVD, I'll point them to my Google Video link. Bootleg stuff is usually frowned upon, but when a studio is this careless with the presentation of a film, they don't deserve anything. It's 2006 and putting a pan & scan DVD from an old composite source is ridiculous.
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#257244
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257244/action/topic#257244
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Originally posted by: Faustus
I saw the theatrical cut on TV a good 20 years ago, in Portugal, and I could never remember what is called. Now I know what it is.
I want to get this on DVD, as I'm downloading the Recobbled Cut. Which DVD should I get? The old or the new one? What about the VHS? Is it the same cut that released on DVD the first time around. What about LaserDisc?
I'd appreciate any help you can provide.
Cheers.


Do you mean a commercial DVD? The only widescreen DVD is out of print and is from Region 2 (not to mention it's a pretty lousy DVD). The "better" Australian cut is only in pan & scan. There's literally no DVD you can just buy normally in order to just get a tiny bit of quality presentation of ANY version of the film. Download it and save your money for stuff that actually had thought put into it like from Warner Bros. or Criterion.

MORE Google Video!

Richard Williams Studio Commercials (Reel One)
Richard Williams Studio Commercials (Reel Three)
Richard Williams and The Thief Who Never Gave Up

The first commercial reel is the one with the Roger Rabbit Diet Coke ad, Harlem Globetrotters, and the most "formal" reel with custom interstitials using footage from A Christmas Carol and Charge of the Light Brigade. It's also the best quality of the three (especially since ocp did a fantastic job on 24fps conversion). It also has the really famous Cresta, Owens-Corning and TDK ads (with the Pink Panther), Shell, Sex Appeal, Fanta, America's Life Insurance Companies, Tic Tacs, etc. The third is that really bad quality tape that starts off with Embassy American cigarettes... but it has some of the good ones like Cresta, Tic Tacs, Cadbury, and Vita Maltz. I need to find the second one... I forgot which disc it's on.

Of course, the last one is the excellent Thames TV documentary that's a must-see.

Letterboxed "Princess" and full Mark II Recobbled cuts are being encoded right now and should be up by tomorrow.
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#257037
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257037/action/topic#257037
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Originally posted by: Esn
You might want to tell potential reviewers to download the iPod/PSP version, then, because the image quality on the regular google video is indeed horrible (much worse than on YouTube).

I do like your version better for the most part... a fair amount of minor annoyances that I had with the Recobbled Cut Mk. II are corrected here (this is not to belittle the many, many things that Garret did right in his version). The Tack/YumYum scene, for example, as well as the scene where King Nod is explaining the mission (it seems to flow more smoothly). Lots of little things. There are some exceptions:
-1st scenes with Tack & Cobbler (as mentioned before - far less effective without music)
-Zigzag inside the One-Eye tent (not sure what it was exactly, but the music didn't seem quite as smooth - may have been my imagination. Minor detail.)
-Zigzag saying "the greatest wizard has to know, etc" at the end (I think the animation wasn't bad in this case and not different from the storyboard, so it could've been kept. Also, it cut to ZigZag in the pit too soon after he fell into the hole - it didn't seem like he had time to actually fall)
-lack of... something in the war machine/thief scene (I'm not sure as I never watched the Williams workprint all the way through, but isn't there something where ZigZag conjures a dragon to fight Tack? Since the whole Calvert fight was cut out, perhaps that could've been added back in to balance things out)
-after the thief steals the film, the sounds stops for some reason so we don't hear him run away. I'm not entirely sure that this is a negative, to be fair - was it intentional?

There are two things that I don't like about either version, one being the musical choices for some of the comedic thief scenes (as I said in more detail in a recent post a little way back). I think I've found the perfect music to accompany the scenes with the thief and the polo ponies games, though - on my CD of Scheherazade (by the Berlin Philharmonic, recorded in 1967), it's about 6 minutes into movement 2 (movement 2 consists of "lento" - "andantino" - "allegro molto" - "vivace scherzando" - "moderato assai" - "allegro molto ed animato". It's either "allegro molto" or "vivace scherzando", I guess). I'd like to try adding it to see if it does indeed fit... are there any free programs that I could use?

The other is MeeMee saying "ugh, maybe something died". Quite frankly, the shot makes NO sense at all, since she was cut out of the previous scene (which I agree with). I don't understand why you would cut her out partially, but not completely. A viewer who hasn't seen the film suddenly sees someone answer YumYum, but has no idea who it is. The voice is different, and the way she inclines her head makes it clear that she is replying to someone, so it's pretty clear that she's not YumYum.


Well, I just wanted to see how many little differences I could find. Anything I changed just corresponded with the workprint... but it's just a temporary until I've shown it to some people. Then, I'll put up the regular Mark II version. I don't want some of these reviewers to mistake some of the interpolated animation as part of the actual footage, nor a handful of sequences that were supposed to be left out.
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#256995
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256995/action/topic#256995
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Sorry, I should have uploaded both (I have the regular Mark II at hand along with this quickie re-edit). The problem is that I needed something up to show a few people and I don't want them to get the wrong idea about a few things in the RC. The main purpose of re-doing some stuff was to take out a few more Calvert inventions so there's more differences visible. I wish I knew DVDTalk had a reviewer for the disc since I would have gotten him to see the RC or workprint first, as well as knowing what should and shouldn't be in the movie. The last thing we need are more reviews that give it a bad rating without background on the movie. The DVDTalk guy didn't even know it was panned and scanned from 2.35:1.

Also, the video is a LOT better if you download the mp4 version to your computer (the Ipod/PSP option).
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#254938
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254938/action/topic#254938
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Originally posted by: tweaker


The "advance info" was pure speculation and optimism, plain and simple. Personally, I'm not surprised at all.


It wasn't speculation. Several retailers listed it as widescreen. The retail distribuition company that most brick and mortar stores deal with had it listed as a "Widescreen Collector's Edition." TWC probably thought they could get away with this, since there's more people interested now. It's like they're trying to deliberately kill any hope for the movie a decade later. I don't want to go into a conspiracy thing, but if they were aware of the popularity of the bootleg, they'd know the reason people were pissed off with the 2005 DVD was the lack of widescreen (besides other things).

My only hope is that this release infringes on Disney's hold of the film and maybe we can get it pulled.
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#254847
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254847/action/topic#254847
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I'm getting word that the packaging for the new Weinstein/Genius DVD says it's P&S on the back.

No idea if it's a typo or word on what's actually on the disc. If it is, I'm just going to be more open about pointing people to the RC. They have to be completely idiotic to think the new fans would want some crappy P&S disc when they can get the bootleg with 100% widescreen. Geez.
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#254300
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254300/action/topic#254300
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Dye-transfer prints are very hard to duplicate, too. I think studios only do it if they absolutely have to. I know several 2-strip Technicolor films only survived as 35mm Technicolor prints. I'm fairly sure the surviving deleted material from For Whom the Bell Tolls only survived as prints. Thankfully, most 3-strip Tech films exist with complete camera negatives. At worst, some (like all pre-1950 MGM cartoons) exist as 3-strip positives.