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Nick66

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#1413178
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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CatBus said:

Nick66 said:

CatBus said:

Nick66 said:

Anyone know if there any Engish subtitles synced to the original “Renegade” ESB Grindhouse release (not the Dreammaster GOUT version)? Cheers!

Yes indeed! The regular Project Threepio subtitles can be run through the “resync-subs” script using the NEG1 frame reference. See the section of the readme titled “How to synchronize subtitles to a different video frame reference”. You can do this for both SUP and SRT format.

PM me if you need a link.

👍

You have no idea how satisfying it is when I discover someone actually using one of the obscure little utilities I spend my time tinkering with!

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

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#1412985
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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CatBus said:

Nick66 said:

Anyone know if there any Engish subtitles synced to the original “Renegade” ESB Grindhouse release (not the Dreammaster GOUT version)? Cheers!

Yes indeed! The regular Project Threepio subtitles can be run through the “resync-subs” script using the NEG1 frame reference. See the section of the readme titled “How to synchronize subtitles to a different video frame reference”. You can do this for both SUP and SRT format.

PM me if you need a link.

👍

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#1407888
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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stwd4nder2 said:

Nick66 said:

So I’m curious about something. When you stream the new master from iTunes/Apple TV on an 1080p SDR monitor, what are you actually watching? I get that the 4K would just be downscaled to 1080p, but what about the HDR? Is there some kind of tone mapping being done, or does Apple already have a 1080p SDR version of the new master that automatically streams if they detect you’re using a non-HDR screen?

I’d assume all streaming services have an HDR and SDR version of films, and just give you what your monitor supports.

That’s what I’d assume also. But the 1080p/SDR version of the new LOTR masters hasn’t officially been released yet (a release is scheduled for this summer), so if Apple does indeed have the SDR versions, we’re getting a preview of what those are going to look like.

stwd4nder2 said:
Tone mapping HDR to SDR is very resource intensive and not very accurate, while storage is cheap.

Perhaps. But my Nvidia Shield does HDR to SDR tone mapping on the fly, as does Plex, and the results are actually pretty impressive.

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#1407879
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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44rh1n said:
WOW, you’re right! I just checked my iTunes copy, and it looks REALLY good! It’s still only HD for me (hopefully it upgrades to 4K for me eventually – iTunes usually does!), but it’s definitely the new master. It looks WAY better than the old green extended Blu-ray master!

So I’m curious about something. When you stream the new master from iTunes/Apple TV on an 1080p SDR monitor, what are you actually watching? I get that the 4K would just be downscaled to 1080p, but what about the HDR? Is there some kind of tone mapping being done, or does Apple already have a 1080p SDR version of the new master that automatically streams if they detect you’re using a non-HDR screen?

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#1392909
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Perhaps unsurprisingly, it looks like from Jackson’s comments (see video below) that his intention with these remasters from the start is to make the films “look as if they’d all been shot at the same time”, including creating a uniform colour grade throughout the six films. Which for the LOTR, basically means making them look like The Hobbit, given that the colours on that trilogy, while tweaked, more or less remain the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn21u6j6Ywc

Frankly, I never really expected him to even consider sticking with the theatrical color grade, that was unrealistic and not Jackson’s priority. And all this is fine I suppose if you’re Peter Jackson and, in a Lucas type way, are concerned about how audiences will see these films for years and decades to come, and want to create a uniform look. But if you’re someone like me who loves the theatrical look of LOTR (and rarely revisits The Hobbit), it’s disappointing. It’s not a Star Wars level disaster, and this will probably be the way I watch them from here on out. The new colours after all aren’t displeasing, and mostly look fine in their own right (in fact the HDR is often stunning), but when coupled with the DNR/EE, the seemingly permanent loss of the theatrical grading for 4K HDR make this set a minor letdown.

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#1388763
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Ha Ha! True about the avatar. Hmmmmm…

Yeah, it’s not the same grade as the DVD, or even theatrical blu-ray, but those probably aren’t exactly true to the original theatrical version either (if anyone can remember what that looks like). Like you said, it just needed to be good, and it sounds like it’s great. Honestly, it’s a relief.

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#1388557
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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44rh1n said:

Overall, most of the daylight exteriors look VERY close to the original release, though! It looks SO GOOD! I can’t verify this, but I would almost bet money that Peter Doyle returned to do this new color grade. It definitely looks like his handiwork!

You should have made that bet! Initial review is up at TheDigitalBits (spoiler: he likes it), and indeed, Doyle did the re-grade. Lots of good technical info and sounds like the 4K HDR on BD is going to be nothing short of spectacular.

https://thedigitalbits.com/item/lord-of-the-rings-trilogy-2020-4k-uhd

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#1388266
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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44rh1n said:
Thanks for letting me know, Nick66! This is FANTASTIC NEWS!

Agree that it looks fantastic. Love your enthusiasm and your incredibly knowledgable comments. All I’ve ever wanted is something that closely matches the colours on the theatrical, but against all hope I almost think this in some ways looks…better.

Thanks for providing us with the light of your version during the dark (i.e. green) times. It was my go-to for a long time.

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#1343819
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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44rh1n said:

Harmy said:

I’m wondering what the UHD LOTR will be sourced from. While it was shot on 35mm,it was finished digitally as a 2K DI,so going back to film would mean redoing the entire post production and believe me, it would not be as simple as rerendering CGI in 4K - even if they still had all the assets and project files, which is ridiculously unlikely, CGI is rendered in layers, so the compositing would have to be redone as well - basically it would take pretty much the full cost of doing post production on a very high budget movie,so more than likely, they will go to the original 2K DIs, upscale them and give them an HDR grade.

I’ve been wondering about this myself. Since LOTR is so VFX heavy, redoing visual effects in 4K is probably out of the realm of possibility. Honestly, I just hope it’s sourced from the original 2K DI, and upscaled. No monkey business, no green tint, no DNR, no artificial sharpening, no scanning of a print — just the original file that got rendered out as the master, before it got printed back onto film. That would be the best source IMO.

Then again, Warner may be trying to capitalize off of the new Amazon series, so maybe they will release it later and do a full 4K remaster. It’s hard to say. That would be a very Peter Jackson-y thing to do.

All I want is for the film to look exactly like it looks on the EE DVD, but at the highest resolution and bitrate available.

This. Barring them redoing the SFX completely, which is not going to happen, this is exactly what I want as well.

My guess is that they’ll remove the green tint, but I’m not confident the colours with match the EE DVD’s for any of the films either.

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#1343162
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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44rh1n said:

Maybe I’ll go revisit some select scenes for a newer release, but I’m holding out hope that the new official 4K version coming this June will finally be a good version.

Are you sure about this? I think this was just a rumour, and that we’d have heard something by now if this was coming next month. My guess is that they’ll wait until the 20th anniversary of FOTR next year to put this out.

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#1302086
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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44rh1n said:

For those interested, forum user Dwalin has used my restoration as one of the sources in his own new restoration of the film. He used my grades of the extended scenes, but went even further by completing a shot-for-shot regrade of the rest of the theatrical footage from the extended Blu-ray as well (unlike my release, which uses the theatrical Blu-ray for those scenes).

I haven’t watched it yet, and I haven’t done a side by side comparison with the DVD yet either. So I can’t yet verify the integrity and consistency across all of its shots. But a quick scrub through of the film looked pretty good to me! (There are a few shots that I noticed have some banding and other compression artifacts though. It’s unfortunately only available in a 24GB version).

Anyway, feel free to go check his out his version too! I think it’s really cool that there are multiple restorations out there now! Hopefully Warner/New Line will see our demand for a proper release!

Here’s Dwalin’s thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/LOTR-EE-color-re-grade/id/61304

The Digital Bits is reporting what they describe as very reliable information that the 4K UHD release is coming perhaps next year but more likely 2021, the 20th anniversary of FOTR. If this is true (and I suspect it is), let’s hope that Warner & Jackson have been listening and thy quietly correct the “intentional” green mess on Fellowship.

For now, your FOTR is my go-to version since you released it. I’ve shown it to many people on my 70" screen, and they’re blown away. I’m really excited to see what Dwalin comes up with.

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#1236552
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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I finally got a chance to watch this last night, and I have to say…absolutely stellar job by 44rh1n. One of the best, and most needed, fan restorations I’ve ever seen. Given how important, and beloved, this film is, and how egregious the green tint which plagues the EE BD, I’m frankly surprised this release has not gotten more attention here.

The colours, as near as I can tell, are a near perfect match for the EE DVD and TE BD. And anyone who’s familiar with the TE BD know its problems with edge enhancement, but 44rn1n has done an amazing job of ameliorating that…as least as I believe is possible with this release. In addition to the colours being what they should be be, the muddiness and lack of definition in the extended scenes has been greatly improved.

Really top notch all around, including the little details…including all the commentary tracks, removing any black screen between the disc transition, no cropping, etc. A job very well done and highly recommended.

44rh1n, just a couple questions…as you know, in addition to the significant additional scenes and alterations in the EE, there are many minor, almost unnoticeable changes from the TE…sometimes something a little as lingering for half a second at the end of a shot. How did you handle these?

Also, now that you have a cap of the Netflix TE (which I’ve watched as is an improvement I agree), any plans to upgrade this release anytime soon?

Again, much thanks for taking this on and giving it so much care and thought.