NeverarGreat

RogueLeader said:

It would GREAT if instead of Rey getting a pep talk from Jedi she doesn’t know, Rey and Finn’s minds connect through the Force, and Finn, the person she actually knows, gives her that encouragement to get up. It would sort of pay off all that build up, and Rey would realize Finn has the Force without him having to say anything.

And there it is.

The perfect solution.

marduk666 said:

If you want a twist for the movie, how about Rey buries the lightsabers and then looks at the camera and her eyes are sithy and you hear a palpatine laugh like from the trailer. Palpatine wins, end of saga.

I was all ready to hate this, but I actually don’t.

Yep, I like the first one a lot! Removing the notes would have only worked if the other music were shifted which as you say isn’t possible.

On the shuttle scene, the music feels odd to me. Right as it cuts to the shuttle there’s a sting which is a pretty clear signal for a scene change, but it of course continues with Rose and Finn. I wonder if it might be better to remove that last three note segue and blend in the shuttle music instead. This would be a musical indication that we will be continuing with the scene.

Of course it sounds pretty good in any case!

DominicCobb said:

Regardless of whether you felt that they gave “every indication that a redemption would not happen,” all evidence points to that being literally the only thing they had planned from the start and never strayed from.

So that’s why they fired Trevorrow. Huh.

yotsuya said:

What we do know that Kennedy and Abrams started from Lucas’s treatment and the put them through the normal story development process to take a rough idea and expand it to a workable movie trilogy.

They just had to invent a primary villain in the 3rd movie, as well as contriving a connection between the main character and said villain, and give the other antagonist an abrupt redemption arc after giving every indication that it would not happen.

I’d hate to see what would happen if they didn’t do any story development.

Mocata said:

OK weird thing I happened to think about today for real… but at the end of the movie just as the music swells and the iris effect closes to credits there’s this weird laugh? Is that like an Ewok? Both this and R2 beeping are louder than the score just for a second.

https://youtu.be/TvXm5HuR72k?t=148

Def an Ewok. It’s bugged me every time.

Midichlorians give me the munchies.

It also feels weird that he’s interacting with stuff and killing fish.

True, but I would argue that these two approaches are not highly distinct for an ever expanding property like Star Wars. Even if worldbuilding starts out with little glimpses, future installments will naturally expand these glimpses and give their own. The end result is the same - a large, continuing universe. Whether or not it’s well-thought-out is down to the care and planning of these stories.

So the worldbuilding for Star Wars has been a priority since the beginning of the Expanded Universe. Originally it was supposed to be this grand interconnected story, and it kinda was occasionally, but it quickly became careless and haphazard.

The weird thing is that everyone figured that the de-canonization of the old EU was to make way for a more Marvel-esque expanded universe from Disney, but their attempt has been no better than the first one.

He actually seems to go further than that in the interview, saying that he’s not really interested in creating a world or a universe but rather a 2-hour experience in the theater. I’m actually surprised by this because worldbuilding is to me a key aspect of writing, especially sci-fi and fantasy writing.

Whether or not that’s a valid way of creating a story, it really seems to disregard much of the appeal of Star Wars, which took great pains to create the illusion of a vast universe.

FreezingTNT2 said:

NeverarGreat said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

Agreed. The Force Awakens does not have a sense of scale.

While TFA had the map to Luke/Millennium Falcon coincidence, Nobody Rey wasn’t a coincidence until she became Important Rey in TROS/DOTF. That’s what really makes it laughable to me.

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

I like the creativity of this idea, but if the base were home to a large civilian population, it would cast the Resistance in a pretty terrible light to nuke the whole thing.

That looks more natural for sure.

I’m not at all sure how ROTJ is ‘supposed’ to look, but to my eyes it’s very low on the red/warm tones to the point that the skin tones appear ghostly. Obi-wan looks good though 😉

I never interested the final scene as Rey forever being the Last Jedi. She only came there to end off the saga. After looking into the binary sunrise (symbolizing a new beginning) Rey will go back to her friends and hopefully rebuild the Jedi Order.

I agree with this. I’ve never understood the argument that “Rey ends the movie on Tatooine, therefore she’s going to spend the rest of her life there!” She was just going there to bury the sabers at Luke’s childhood home. After that she’ll probably go back to the Resistance and continue the Jedi legacy.

Obviously I don’t think Rey will stay on Tatooine in universe, the issue is with the imagery of ending her story here. It sends a subconscious message about her continued isolation that I don’t think was intentional but nevertheless undercuts the effect of the previous scene.

The issue with her taking the name Skywalker is that it is a quixotic conclusion to her character arc. Rey spends three movies searching for a family, and ends by taking the name of a family that is now vanished from the galaxy. Sure, she feels comfortable carrying on the Skywalker legacy (at least the good one(s) anyway), but this does little to satisfy her need for a real living family in whatever form that takes. It’s a big missed opportunity because now there is a galaxy of young people who have been stripped of their parents, potentially forever. Will they all take the name Skywalker? Will Finn? There is no indication of this, and it throws into tension her emotional reunion with Finn and Poe, her presumed new ‘family’. The movie also seems to forget that Rey’s real parents died heroically to save her, so not taking their name is another instance of the film throwing a rake in front of itself to trip over.

Beyond these particular tensions, there is an even larger tension with the final scene, and it has to do with the hero’s journey. In the archetypal tale our hero goes forth on adventure and returns home fundamentally changed in some way. The final scene of a mythic tale gives answer to the final question regarding the hero, that of whether they will return to society or whether the journey has changed them too much to ever truly return. Frodo cannot return to the Shire, instead sailing to the Undying Lands to be healed. Luke does return to society in the final scene of Return of the Jedi, leaving the ghosts of the past to join in the celebration. So what does Rey do?

The penultimate scene of TROS implies that despite being changed by her journey, she will return to society and live happily among them. This is a sufficient answer and completes her arc. However the final scene flips this assumption. Now she is reviving the ghosts of the past through her name and ending the film alone on a desert planet. If she were merely going there to bury the past it wouldn’t necessarily be an issue, but the name implies a connection with this isolation that she will never be rid of. She both does and does not return to society simultaneously, and this is why I find it so frustrating.

DuracellEnergizer said:

NeverarGreat said:

The Mask of Zorro.

Wow. Immediately in my top twenty of all time.

Happy Cat is now Broken Link Cat. 😦

Yep, it feels right to me for them both to be cut off from the Force, for the reasons above and more. The biggest reason for doing this, however, was so that the story could come back around to Rey. Every scene in the previous version was centering on Kylo and it was becoming the Kylo movie instead of Rey’s movie. Now she’s making a decision and suffering the consequences, and precisely when she should before the start of a new act. Now that both are ‘normal’ people there’s the possibility that Force Ghosts won’t be able to communicate with them, and it becomes much more important that they seek out the Knights of Ren as the last remaining known Force users in the galaxy in a desperate bid to turn them back to the light and restart the Jedi Order.

The Mask of Zorro.

Wow. Immediately in my top twenty of all time. How have I never seen this one before?

Then drop the lighting to zero and mix in the sound of a John Wick gunfight followed by a cat yowl.

Press ‘quote’ on that post.