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#1328448
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Happy Birthday, OT.com - now 18 years old (as of 10th March, 2021)
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Nope, but when I joined in 2012 I remember that the best source for the OT was the GOUT.

Now we have 4K versions of 2/3 of the trilogy, something that nobody would have thought possible even then.

This place has probably had the biggest impact in spreading awareness of Star Wars in all its original glory, and I think that’s absolutely wonderful.

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#1328445
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Episode IX: THE SHATTERED SWORD - DETAILED SUMMARY COMPLETE
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Thunder echoes through the empty halls of the darkened compound. As Thrawn passes a shuttered window, a lightning flash illuminates his path toward a door at the end of the hall. Behind him, at a respectful distance, a Noghri bodyguard follows silently. He reaches the door and after a moment it slides open, a small cloud of dust rising from the unused surfaces. He enters. Inside is a stately, if spartan, office. Accolades in frames festoon one wall, while behind a modestly decorated desk leans a painting of a large, severe man in Imperial uniform. From beneath a black commander’s hat fall several strands of red hair. Thrawn inspects this painting for a moment, then turns his attention to the desk. He disturbs the dust of the drawers, opening each in methodical fashion. Finally he sees something that catches his interest. Thunder crashes and lightning flashes from the hall. A beep sounds, and Thrawn answers the communicator. The officer on the other line says that Hux is approaching the station, and Thrawn responds that he will be there shortly. Outside the compound, sheets of rain lash the platform. The Noghri rushes to start Thrawn’s shuttle, the Grand Admiral himself walking at his own pace. The shuttle takes off, quickly flying above the clouds and into a clear star-studded sky marred only by the traceries of an orbital shipyard far above the planet Arkanis.

From the panoptic window of a spacious, expensive-looking office, Hux surveys the remnants of Kylo’s fleet, suspended in the traceries of metal and swarming with repair craft. Thrawn enters the room, dismissing his Noghri bodyguard and coming to stand next to Hux. The Supreme Leader asks why Thrawn has requested his presence here, and that it is interrupting a mission of some urgency. Thrawn asks about this mission, and Hux responds that it’s none of Thrawn’s business. The Grand Admiral is amused by this air of mystery and responds by noting that Hux has brought quite a military force of his own to accompany him on this mission, a curious thing given that few places in the galaxy would require such protection. In fact, he says, only the pirate-infested territory of Hutt space remains outside the iron grip of the First Order. But, he says, there is no reason to go into that territory since none of these worlds have been considered worth invading, all except one: Gramelon. By Hux’s expression Thrawn knows that he has guessed right. Thrawn notes that Kylo’s fleet, arrayed below them, is being repaired but that their crews are no doubt contaminated by Resistance propaganda and will need to be reconditioned or terminated. He says that by going to Gramelon, Hux has indicated that he will opt to terminate the crews and replace them with new recruits. Again he has guessed right. But, Thrawn continues, this is not the primary reason for going to Gramelon. Commander Brendol Hux, he says, once attempted to cultivate an Order of dark Force users for the Emperor, an attempt which failed. Hux turns on Thrawn, bristling at the very mention of his father. He grinds out that though Thrawn says that the Force is a distraction from power, he knows that Thrawn was once defeated by a mere whelp of a Force user, and that such a force could end the Resistance once and for all. Hux believes that beneath Thrawn’s calm exterior is a black hatred for their kind, dark or light, as a piece that doesn’t fit into his delicate calculations of power. Thrawn reaches into the fold of his coat for something, and Hux goes for his blaster. A duo of Death Troopers leap out of the shadows and pin Thrawn’s arms to his side. Hux warns Thrawn that he is still the Supreme Leader and Thrawn merely his servant. Thrawn agrees, calmly saying that his only wish is to serve the First Order. The Death Trooper pulls the coat open to reveal a lightsaber at Thrawn’s side. Hux takes it, igniting the yellow blade. Thrawn states that Hux should consider it a gift from the late Brendol Hux to his son, to aid him in gaining the fealty of the Knights of Ren. He only asks that Hux refrain from terminating those on Kylo’s Destroyers until he has gained them as allies. Hux agrees, releasing his Grand Admiral and ordering him to use all his resources in discovering the location of the Resistance. He leaves. Thrawn remains at the window, joined again by his bodyguard. The Noghri says that he didn’t tell Hux of the probable survival of Kylo Ren, and Thrawn replies that there is no reason to worry the Supreme Leader unduly. Besides, he adds, now they can easily predict where the Resistance will inevitably go.

Thunder echoes through the empty halls of the darkened compound. As Thrawn passes a shuttered window, a lightning flash illuminates his path toward a door at the end of the hall. Behind him, at a respectful distance, a Noghri bodyguard follows silently. He reaches the door and after a moment it slides open, a small cloud of dust rising from the unused surfaces. He enters. Inside is a stately, if spartan, office. Accolades in frames festoon one wall, while behind a modestly decorated desk leans a painting of a large, severe man in Imperial uniform. From beneath a black commander’s hat fall several strands of red hair. Thunder crashes and lightning flashes from the hall. A beep sounds, and Thrawn answers the communicator.

Outside the compound, sheets of rain lash the platform. The Noghri rushes to start Thrawn’s shuttle, the Grand Admiral himself walking at his own pace. The shuttle takes off, quickly flying above the clouds and into a clear star-studded sky marred only by the traceries of an orbital shipyard far above the planet Arkanis.

The First Order high command sits on one side of a long table which has been positioned next to a large observation window overlooking Kylo’s fleet. The ships sit in drydock around the planet Arkanis like a necklace of dark gems. Among the assembled officers sit also captains of galactic industry, most attired in severe dark suits save for one man in white with a red Plom bloom on his lapel. Thrawn’s captains sit as models of Imperial calm in stark contrast to the standard First Order officers who are lounging and bickering among themselves. Hux paces along the empty side of the table, expounding on the new division of power under his command. He awards the ships of Kylo’s fleet to Thrawn and several captains express dissention, not trusting this alien who seems to be already calling the shots in this Empire. One general expresses disdain and says he would never have been employed under the Emperor and another, general Pryde, retorts that Thrawn was employed under the Emperor. Angry barbs are exchanged, and into the chaos Thrawn arrives.

He announces that he has no need of these ships and furthermore they will take quite some time to be crewed by new officers so no immediate decision need be reached. Hux tells Thrawn that the crews are being reconditioned as they speak and so he will not need new bodies. However, the First Order will need many more ships to ensure order in the newly conquered galaxy, so quotas of harvesting must be increased. Many look uncomfortable at this, most of all the man in white. Hux says that if they are not able to accomplish this, the First Order will find men who will.

Hux also announces that he is taking temporary command of Thrawns fleet in order to go to Gramelon and accept the fealty of the Knights of Ren. Thrawn’s captains sit straighter in their chairs. Thrawn narrows his eyes at this, saying that he knights are of little consequence. Hux disagrees, saying that the backing of Force users is necessary for retaining power in the galaxy. The assembled officials and businesspeople are split on this, with the First Order officers mostly disagreeing and a majority of the businesspeople nodding in agreement. Notably, one older businesswoman claps her hands. The man in white, who sits next to her, adopts an inscrutable expression. Thrawn says that regardless of their importance, he himself should remain in command of his fleet and recruit the Knights. Hux is adamant that he alone be in command, ordering Thrawn to remain on Arkanis and oversee the operation of refitting Kylo’s fleet.

After the officers and financiers have left the office, Hux whirls on Thrawn. He accuses the Grand Admiral of undermining his authority, coming dangerously close to insubordination. Thrawn responds with a comment about Brendol Hux, Armitage’s father. Hux is taken aback, unsure where this is going. Thrawn continues that Brendol once tried to create an order of Darkside users to ensure the survival of the Empire, and Thrawn says that it’s only natural that his son would wish to do what his father could not. Thrawn maintains, however, that the Force is a distraction and he will show the galaxy how it has no true power.

Thrawn reaches for something on his belt, and two Death Troopers emerge from the shadows and drag him to his knees. Hux takes the object from Thrawn’s belt, and with a snap-hiss he activates Kylo’s lightsaber. Thrawn says that he is merely delivering to Hux his birthright, with a warning that it could be his undoing. Hux demands a test of Thrawn’s loyalty, and tells him to bring forth his hand. Thrawn does so, pulling his sleeve to the elbow. Hux raises the blade to strike off the hand and swings in a blur of motion, stopping the blade expertly a hairsbreadth from the alien skin. Thrawn doesn’t flinch. Hux says that he knows something of Thrawn’s hatred for the Jedi and the Force, having investigated Thrawn’s long disappearance, and knows that it is strong. But now he knows that his loyalty is just as strong. Thrawn asks if he will reconsider his decision about leading the fleet. Hux smiles quixotically.

Two Star Destroyers fall out of Hyperspace, their signatures clearly visible through the nebula. Finn barks out orders: ‘Raise shields! Red Squadron, Black Squadron, launch!’ A collection of TIE fighters and Resistance ships pours out of the main hangar bay, collecting into two distinct groups on the underside of the Destroyer. Rose stands to the side of the bridge with Threepio, asks him his projected time. Threepio responds that they will probably last at least 30 seconds longer this time against the simulation. Finn commands his squadrons, ordering them to flank the Destroyers just below their equatorial turbolasers and come about to attack them from the rear. In this way the squadrons will avoid most of the Destroyer’s field of fire. The holographic forms of the ships appear on out of the nebula, and Ben leads Red Squadron towards the leftmost Destroyer. Poe in his X-wing goes to the right, a motley collection of Resistance ships close behind. Rey flies formation with Poe in a battered A-wing. Poe hits the intercom, telling everyone to get in attack formation and orient themselves down in the direction of the projected enemy fighter launch. Both squadrons fly upside-down, headed toward the simulated Destroyers. Finn flashes a grin at Rose. Her expression is skeptical.

The two Destroyers gun their engines, quickly picking up speed as they rush to close distance, angling nearer to themselves as well. Rey asks why they haven’t launched fighters yet, and to scan for fighters around them in the cloud. Poe answers that scanners pick up nothing, and to keep going. Just as the squadrons converge with the prows of the enemy Destroyers the huge vessels begin spinning against their long axis. The sudden spin seems too fast to be possible, and Poe’s X-wing bobs drunkenly with his disorientation. Both formations waver as batteries of ventral cannons and turbolasers come into view directly in front of the squadrons and open fire.

On the bridge of the real Destroyer, Finn stares openmouthed as the two simulations roll opposite each other in space, every gun on their equators and upper decks now trained on him. With a single burst of holographic light the battle is over. Ben spins his fighter in a playful arc, the only pilot to avoid a simulated destruction. He asks why Thrawn didn’t have to even launch a single fighter, and Poe shouts that the simulation was unfair, that no Destroyer can rotate that fast. Finn’s voice comes on the line, saying that Poe is wrong. The simulations, he says, used their tractor beams on each other in addition to their maneuvering engines, and this gave them the speed to pull off this rout. Finn gives the order to return to the ship. Rey continues flying, saying that there’s still one ship left to destroy. She guns her engines and goes after Ben’s fighter. Ben smiles, warming to the contest, and he cuts across the surface of Finn’s vessel before looping under the bridge and disappearing into the nebula. Rey follows, matching his movements. Finn sighs. Rose tells him it’s no wonder he has trouble keeping order with them around.

Kylo’s TIE fighter and a battered A-wing settle onto the docking bay floor, Rey leaping from her cockpit and waiting as muffled curses emanate from the TIE interior. Rey spies BB-8, R2, and Threepio huddled in conversation near Poe’s X-wing. BB-8 looks up at the TIE and rolls over, followed by the two other droids. Threepio asks Master Solo if he needs a hand, and a metal appendage flies out of the upper hatch to strike him on the chestplate. Rey sweeps up the prosthetic hand and joins the droids by the TIE fighter, asking where the others are. Threepio responds that they are in the mess hall. Rey leaves the bay holding the hand, followed by BB-8.

There is a clatter from the TIE fighter and Threepio rushes over to Ben, who has collapsed in a heap in front of the ship. He asks Master Solo if he is all right, to which Ben responds with a withering stare, staggering up and following Rey to the mess hall. R2 beeps derisively at Threepio, who turns away with something approaching wounded pride. ‘What could I do? I’ll have you know that among my other talents I’m now the galaxy’s foremost authority on the Jedi religion.’ R2 beeps sassily. Threepio turns to him. ‘And what would you know about something like that?’

The mess hall is a scene of barely contained chaos. Tables and chairs have been pulled from their brackets and now form clusters throughout the hall. Helmetless troopers chatter and shout, their armor decorated with bright paint and duct tape. Red squadron sits across from the bridge officers, their flight suits festooned with splashes of red paint. In the center of the room, alongside several tables of Resistance soldiers, sits Finn, Rose, Poe, and Chewie. Rose is going over all the mistakes made during the day’s exercises. She laments that they don’t have more ships since they have crews and pilots for almost two Destroyer compliments.

Rey walks up to the table, a tray of First Order rations in her hand, sitting in the open space between Poe and Finn and setting Ben’s hand beside her tray. Finn asks her if she had a nice flight. She gives him a black look, and he mutters to her that any other Captain would have thrown her in the brig for what she did. Poe overhears, speaks up in Rey’s defense, that it’s normal to need to blow off some steam after a defeat, and that everyone is on edge right now. Finn responds that ever since Kylo has returned as Ben, Rey has been acting strangely. Rose remarks that it’s nice to see Finn and Poe talking directly to each other. Chewie nods. Rey throws down her fork. She admits that Finn is right. Silence falls at the table. She seems ready to admit her secret weakness, and everyone looks at her expectantly.

Before she can say anything Ben arrives in the mess hall. A quiet descends on the hall, but a shout goes up from Red Squadron. Their spokesman shouts ‘Let’s hear it for the leader of Red Squadron, Master of the Knights of Ren, Heir to the Empire…Ben Solo!’ Three cheers go up from the pilots and the rest of the soldiers join in. Everyone at the table turns back to Rey in expectation, but she is now staring at Ben as if seizing on a lifeline.

He sits at the table across from Rey, his expression unreadable. He asks for his hand back. She has put two and two together and realized that these Knights are comprised of Luke’s students, and asks if any of them were knowledgeable of the mysteries of the Force. He says that one was, and slyly asks why she wants to know. She responds evasively that they need people strong in the Force if they are to rebuild the Jedi Order. Ben shakes his head, saying that he believes it to be a fool’s errand. Poe wonders why this is the first he’s hearing about these Knights, and Rose answers. She says that the Knights were once students of Luke’s Jedi school but they chose to join with Kylo and now each rules over a planet largely independent of the First Order. Ben clarifies that these students originally joined Luke’s school to protect their home planets as the Jedi of old had done before the Republic, and that when it became clear that they were to join or die Kylo Ren, they chose to join in return for control over their planets. Now their planets are off-limits to the First Order and their child-harvesting, and these knights care only about protecting these worlds. He says they will not join an unlikely cause, and in fact may already have pledged fealty to the Supreme Leader. Rey says that this is all the more reason to act quickly and try to gain their help or their fight will already be doomed.

Those at the table look in confusion. Finn asks why this should be since they have among them the two greatest Force-users in the galaxy. Before Ben can answer Rey comes to a decision. She announces that she will seek out these knights and gain them as allies in their fight, and Ben will come along to help. Ben seems reluctant. The planet they must travel to in order to convene the knights is in pirate space, he says, and will not be easy to approach. Chewie roars, Rey translating that he and Han once cultivated Rebel allies on Gramelon and Chewie will come as well. Rey reaches to give Ben his hand. He takes it but Rey doesn’t let go, instead saying that they will do this for the Jedi and the memory of Leia. Finn places his hand on the metal hand as well, saying ‘For Leia.’ Poe follows suit. ‘For the General.’ Rose says ‘For our Leader.’ Ben says something as well, but it’s inaudible to the assembled team. Chewie places his paw on top of the pile and roars. Rey translates ‘For the Princess’. Ben asks if he could please have his hand back. He pulls it away from the group and as they all get up from the table to make preparations, he reattaches it to his arm, clenching it into a fist and looking to the departing crew with new resolve.

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#1328375
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Episode IX: THE SHATTERED SWORD - DETAILED SUMMARY COMPLETE
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Updated the previous scene of Thrawn slightly. To continue:

The Resistance fleet falls out of Hyperspace inside a dusty pink and blue nebula, Tantive ships and carriers surrounding their captured Destroyer like minnows. The Falcon undocks from the Tantive IX and shuttles over to the Destroyer.

Ben, Finn, Kalonia, and much of the Tantive crew march down the halls where Resistance fighters are escorting First Order troops into the main hangar bay. Ben sports a new prosthetic leg and arm, his saber at his side. In an anteroom, Poe and Rose voice their concern for this stage of the mission. The Resistance is barely able to contain this many prisoners and Poe doesn’t trust that Ben has had a change of heart. Poe jokingly says that they might have to just open the hangar to space. Rose looks at him in a ‘don’t even joke about that’ way. Finn tells Poe that Rey believes he has changed, and Finn trusts her. Poe asks where Rey is, anyway. Finn evasively says that she is still recuperating from her ordeal. Poe finally decides to trust Finn and Rey on this, so he lets Finn and Ben through to a balcony overlooking the hangar.

On the balcony overlooking the assembled officers and soldiers, Ben arrives to a holo broadcast of Hux declaring himself the new supreme leader. Ben cuts off the video and announces that the First Order has betrayed them and is their enemy as well as his. He names Hux and Thrawn specifically as leaders who will suppress all religions of the Force under their fist and in so doing bring disorder to the galaxy. The soldiers cry out at this, but Rose pulls up the video of Thrawn destroying the city of Amma, telling them that their fellow soldiers were betrayed and murdered in this cold, calculating blood. The soldiers quiet down. Ben continues. He says that as one who was dead and returned to life, he has seen the reality of the Force present in all people, not just those of noble blood. He is no more worthy of command than another. He bequeaths his title and authority to Finn, the man who slew Kylo Ren. Henceforth, he wishes to be known only as Ben. Finn takes this solemnly and the soldiers salute him. He motions this down. His first order to them is to remove their helmets and see their fellows for who they truly are. They fight for the First Order no longer!

Ben wanders through the secondary hangar of the Destroyer, inspecting the TIE fighters in their racks and his own modified TIE racked close to the Falcon on the deck. From that ship he hears cries and sounds of banging metal. He turns to the Falcon and enters its darkened interior. Crates and tools are strewn everywhere. He sees half of Luke’s lightsaber lying amid the scattered trash and he picks it up. Rey sits cradling the other half in the middle of the cargo bay, shaking. Ben tries to console her, saying that even Luke couldn’t heal a broken crystal with all his powers. Rey says that she must heal the crystal, that she must resurrect the Jedi Order, that she must make Leia proud. Ben tries to tell her that perhaps their powers might not return, that the texts could be right. Rey says that Ben is clearly wrong, for the Force is always with a person. It is inconceivable that it would simply betray her. Ben disagrees, but admits that he is no expert on the mysteries of the Force. There were others at Luke’s school, he says, that were far more knowledgeable.

A Porglett wanders over from its nest, roused by the commotion. Ben picks it up with his good hand and gives it to Rey. He says that all life is connected by the Force, and that she is no more or less important than any other, and to gracefully accept these changes as the will of the Force. Luke tried to teach him that, but he wouldn’t listen. He feels that Luke was right that the Jedi should end, and he was right that the Sith would never again return. He sees how the galaxy is now controlled by those entirely without the Force, and that perhaps this is its will as well. Rey recognizes that Ben’s near death experience has changed him, but she says bitterly that it has made him give up. She leaves the Falcon for the Destroyer bridge and her friends, the ones who will still fight.

The bridge is a hive of activity. The former captain of the vessel and his officers are showing many Resistance officers the controls. The captain is in conversation with Finn and Poe when he is drawn away by the insistence of an officer. They go to a corner to converse quietly together. Finn and Poe survey the crews in the pit and look out at the blue and pink clouds surrounding them.

Suddenly a shout goes up in the pit, and an officer points out the viewscreen at a TIE fighter flying off into the clouds. Finn whirls and asks which soldier had gone rogue. An officer replies that they’re checking the registry now. Rey walks onto the bridge and replies that it’s Ben. Poe asks if he’s running away, and Rey says it wouldn’t surprise her. Finn turns to Poe, asking what he as Admiral will do about this. Poe replies that he leaves this to Finn as captain of this vessel. Finn orders the launching of the TIE interceptors to go after Kylo. Officers scramble to alert the crews, who are not at all ready for this test. The former captain and the officer are unperturbed by this event and start manipulating the controls of a computer terminal in the darkened corner of the bridge.

Another shout goes up, this time about two unknown objects approaching them from behind in the nebula. Finn pulls up an overlay on the viewscreen to visualize the new threat and orders the ship to turn about. Poe barks orders for his Resistance ships to follow suit and go into a delta formation on either side of the arrow-headed Destroyer. The shapes resolve themselves as Destroyers, and Finn and Poe both shout ‘Thrawn!’ in unison. Finn orders shields up, double front. The Destroyers continue to close distance as Poe scrambles Resistance fighters into action. These launch and begin to fan out in front of their fleet just as Finn’s TIEs finally begin to launch and fall in behind them. Poe barks that one of these Destroyers will have a Hyperspace tracker, and to prepare the droid controlled transport for a Holdo Maneuver.

Suddenly a new group of signals appears from behind their fleet, coming from the direction of Ben’s escape. The shapes resolve as TIE bombers, and before Poe or Finn can react they launch a blistering array of missiles directly toward the unshielded aft end of the Destroyer. There is no time to alter shields, and everyone braces for impact. A second passes, then another. Rose dares to open her eyes, which had been shut tight in anticipation of disaster. Poe realizes that Finn has taken his hand in panic. They disengage with an embarrassed shifting of eyes and clearing of throats. Suddenly the bridge is rattled by the passage of Ben’s TIE fighter sweeping its wings inches from the windows. The radio crackles to life. Ben’s voice appears on the com, dryly stating that their ship has been blown to atoms. Poe stares in confusion and starts to ask how Ben could have controlled that simulation from a TIE, but then sees the former captain and his officer nonchalantly leaning against a console in the corner. The former captain adds that their Holdo Maneuver wouldn’t have worked either, since the First Order fleet has officially phased out such active trackers after their weakness became apparent. They give a salute to Ben, who continues flying circles around the Destroyer’s bridge giving the Resistance a good dressing-down. This is Thrawn’s modus operandi, Ben says, drilling and testing his crews every spare minute of the day, and it’s what the Resistance will need to do if it wants to survive even a minute against him.

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#1328289
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What are you reading?
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The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood by Howard Pyle

Far too long-winded, written in a difficult-to-parse old dialect, with only the barest attempt at a plot. Marion’s part consists of a single reference in passing across all four hundred pages.

On the plus side, it apparently does a good job of including and stringing together the disparate legends of the character.

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#1328276
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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It’s very good! Subtle but it works.

Though, while we’re on small tweaks, I did think of two possible improvements to the following moments.

The first is the shot where the AT-AT fires on Finn. The head should really be tilted down and to the right, since he’s so close to the cannon at that point. Of course it would be impossible to significantly change the position of the head, but perhaps it would be possible to warp/adjust the position of the body to appear as if it were filmed more from the side and level with the ground. There might be a shot of a walker from this angle which is useable for this purpose.

The other is that when Finn’s speeder is hit by the blast, there’s an explosion sound effect on the shot of Finn in the cockpit where he reacts, then there’s the wide shot of the speeder being forced away from the cannon, presumably by this blast. However, it happens so fast that there’s really not enough time to register the explosion before it’s over. My suggestion would be, if at all possible, to add a blaster/shrapnel explosion behind Finn’s speeder in that shot where Rose’s speeder would have been. Perhaps it was the crumpled gun of the speeder blowing up or something else, but there should be something which has the force to divert Finn’s speeder like it does.

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#1328164
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Dom's (Possibly) Useful TROS Edit (WIP)
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RogueLeader said:

It would GREAT if instead of Rey getting a pep talk from Jedi she doesn’t know, Rey and Finn’s minds connect through the Force, and Finn, the person she actually knows, gives her that encouragement to get up. It would sort of pay off all that build up, and Rey would realize Finn has the Force without him having to say anything.

And there it is.

The perfect solution.

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#1327968
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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On the shuttle scene, the music feels odd to me. Right as it cuts to the shuttle there’s a sting which is a pretty clear signal for a scene change, but it of course continues with Rose and Finn. I wonder if it might be better to remove that last three note segue and blend in the shuttle music instead. This would be a musical indication that we will be continuing with the scene.

Of course it sounds pretty good in any case!

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#1327928
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

What we do know that Kennedy and Abrams started from Lucas’s treatment and the put them through the normal story development process to take a rough idea and expand it to a workable movie trilogy.

They just had to invent a primary villain in the 3rd movie, as well as contriving a connection between the main character and said villain, and give the other antagonist an abrupt redemption arc after giving every indication that it would not happen.

I’d hate to see what would happen if they didn’t do any story development.

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#1327787
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<strong>Return Of The Jedi</strong> - a general <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> thread
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Mocata said:

OK weird thing I happened to think about today for real… but at the end of the movie just as the music swells and the iris effect closes to credits there’s this weird laugh? Is that like an Ewok? Both this and R2 beeping are louder than the score just for a second.

https://youtu.be/TvXm5HuR72k?t=148

Def an Ewok. It’s bugged me every time.

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#1327712
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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True, but I would argue that these two approaches are not highly distinct for an ever expanding property like Star Wars. Even if worldbuilding starts out with little glimpses, future installments will naturally expand these glimpses and give their own. The end result is the same - a large, continuing universe. Whether or not it’s well-thought-out is down to the care and planning of these stories.

So the worldbuilding for Star Wars has been a priority since the beginning of the Expanded Universe. Originally it was supposed to be this grand interconnected story, and it kinda was occasionally, but it quickly became careless and haphazard.

The weird thing is that everyone figured that the de-canonization of the old EU was to make way for a more Marvel-esque expanded universe from Disney, but their attempt has been no better than the first one.

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#1327707
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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He actually seems to go further than that in the interview, saying that he’s not really interested in creating a world or a universe but rather a 2-hour experience in the theater. I’m actually surprised by this because worldbuilding is to me a key aspect of writing, especially sci-fi and fantasy writing.

Whether or not that’s a valid way of creating a story, it really seems to disregard much of the appeal of Star Wars, which took great pains to create the illusion of a vast universe.

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#1327609
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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FreezingTNT2 said:

NeverarGreat said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

Agreed. The Force Awakens does not have a sense of scale.

While TFA had the map to Luke/Millennium Falcon coincidence, Nobody Rey wasn’t a coincidence until she became Important Rey in TROS/DOTF. That’s what really makes it laughable to me.

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#1327606
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.