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DominicCobb said:

It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?

The Space Shuttle Atlantis uncouples from the ISS at the conclusion of another successful mission. On the other side of the space station, a VW Beetle from Russia fires its retro rockets on approach.

krausfadr said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?

^^ 😃 yes! being this anal will end with someone working on edits of TROS for the next 20 years like saddo George Lucas in his basement. Take Obi-wans advice and “move along…”

Good advice. If anything, changing the specifics of this movie to make logical sense will just decrease the sense of overwhelming shlock, which is the only level on which I can enjoy this shitshow.

The Battle of Endor might not be the best example since it’s almost constant music even in the quieter Throne Room scenes. But you’re right, sometimes less is more, like for instance the last act of ANH. There is no music in the scenes leading up to the final battle because the filmmaker’s thought (rightly) that the absence of music would make its return much more powerful.

RogueLeader said:

Nev, if you could change that shot what kind of ship would you change his to?

Imperial Shuttle.

The fins would be badly beat up and the top fin would be mostly missing. It would be a rusted, barely flyable piece of junk but it would have a hyperdrive. It would also have the thematic resonance of being the same type of ship that the redeemed Vader would have been on, had he survived. In this way Kylo is picking up his father’s story where it left off, in a way.

JEDIT: Now I almost want to do a mockup of the shot. Curse you, RL!

And also with you.

canofhumdingers said:

The other thing that bothered me, of all things, was that Kylo took a standard imperial TIE fighter, the kind they explicitly point out that has no hyperdrive in ANH, across the whole galaxy to Exogol. It’s particularly irksome because there are many other tiny details in the movie that show the filmmakers were really paying attention to little details (such as the way Kylo points just like Han). It’s a small detail but feels like a blatantly obvious oversight.

I’m glad someone else is bothered by this.

There’s potentially an explanation if he brings the entire Destroyer with him to the Endor system and he goes back to that after being redeemed to travel to Exegol. That would also explain why he thought he could fit both himself and Rey in his (presumably) single seat fighter. If I’m being particularly charitable I would surmise that maybe they established the Destroyer in the Endor system in an earlier cut but it was discarded for time.

But I’m not that charitable to this tragedy of a film.

Yeah, I figure that for color grading purposes there will be power windows, but I was under the impression that these are beyond even color grading and directly change the brightness and contrast of certain areas to make certain parts of the image ‘pop’ more for 3D.

Harmy said:

I am now in contact with oohteedee and we’re talking about collaborating on v3.0 using his D+xy versions as a basis and despecializing them further.

I have said before that now that we have 4K77 and 4K83 as 100% true theatrical preservstions (with 4K80 hopefully coming soon) the focus of Despecialized can shift to being what a modern transfer of the movie, if the SE never existed, could be. This is why I don’t think power-windows, not 100% theatrically accurate grading or redone wipes and such are really a problem.

Color grading and recomposited wipes are a given for a modern transfer based on the original negatives, but power windows to differentiate foreground/background elements for 3D feels noticeably different, at least based on none’s comparisons.

I wouldn’t be too torn up if they appeared in 3.0, but it seems a shame. Is there any idea how many of these power windows exist in the OT?

The Despecialized edition v 2.1 had a particularly strong green hue, so it is a problem with grading.

https://i.imgur.com/ZK7UB6A.mp4

idir_hh said:

RogueLeader said:

Idir, that video you shared regarding the score made me want to play around with some rescoring.

I wanted to play around with adding Chewie’s Theme from Solo to when Rey realizes he’s still alive. I also feel like this restore add a sense of relief for Rey, relief that she didn’t kill him.

I did three versions, back to back, and I didn’t remove the original score so you might still hear bits of it. Just a rough idea. Let me know if you guys like any or prefer a certain version.

https://streamable.com/njzz2h

Rescoring opens up so many opportunities, I’m digging the 2nd and 3rd version.

I think the third version bleeds too much into Threepio’s dialogue, but the second version really works for me.

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2020/05/04/taika-waititi-is-getting-his-own-star-wars-movie

So this is nice, if it happens.

From here: https://imgur.com/gallery/pHo3E0W

Hal 9000 said:

krausfadr said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

Poe’s arc… from hothead flyboy to responsible general.
Finn’s arc… from victim of the empire and all alone, to force sensitive leader who teams up with other victims to topple it.
Rey’s arc… from someone who is lost, drawn to darkness, and doesn’t know her place or have a family to someone who chooses good, has a family, and presumably becomes the leader of a new Jedi Order.

If that’s not an arc… I don’t know what an arc is then.

Maybe it’s just not the arc you would have written.

All of those arcs seem to have been addressed to my satisfaction in TFA and/or TLJ. At least one twice already.

Exactly. JJ had no idea what to do with his own characters.

Very cool

https://i.imgur.com/bhlHMWP.mp4

^I am suspicious, but will let it pass.

Darth Madness said:

Hello. I will have something I’ve been working on ready to share this Monday. What would be the very best way to share it with anyone interested?

It depends on what it is. If it’s related to a fan project it would go in this forum:

https://originaltrilogy.com/discussion/Star-Wars-Fan-Edits-and-Other-Projects/id/9

You can make a thread for it there, and post a link as long as it isn’t a full fanedit. If it is a full edit, you can still make a thread but people will have to Private Message you for the link. Just check the FAQ if you’re unsure.

Maybe they did, but just figured that this was just an odd name for the rat from a previous owner. Obviously an oversight on Rowling’s part.

It’s not whether they have answers or not but whether these moments feel genuine. I was pointing them out because where these moments might feel natural in another film, here they feel like little more than a string of actions placed on film purely for the audience and not for Rey herself.

Anakin Starkiller said:

You know what would make these films feel less OT derivative? Replacing much of OT music with PT music! It would make the Saga feel more unified. Maybe Palpatine’s Sith choir can recite a portion of Duel of the Fates. There could be a hint of Battle of the Heroes in the Death Star since they sorta mirror each other in a fire and water kinda way. Across the Stars could play when Ben and Rey kiss. Kamino’s theme as the camera passes the jar of Snokes (btw, why is that theme there when Palpatine sucks Ben and Rey’s lifeforce?). Of course these only apply to TRoS, but I’m sure there’s some you could use for the other two films. Oh, I know! I’m So Sorry could play as Rey refuses to take Kylo’s hand in TLJ. In fact, I think I’ll got put that together right now, see how it looks.

I know for a fact that last idea was mocked up by someone earlier, can’t remember who though. It did work wonderfully.

“It would never have worked out between us, R2.”

It’s an improvement, but damn that scene gets worse each time I see it. Every moment feels either subtly or explicitly wrong.

Why is Rey going to the homestead?
Why is BB-8 acting like it belongs to Rey instead of Poe?
Why is Rey riding down the sand like it’s a treasured childhood memory instead of a reminder of her painful past?
Why does Rey go down into the empty house at all if she goes back outside to bury the sabers?
Why does Rey bury the sabers?
Why does she activate her own saber and look at it? Does she just like admiring her own work that much?
Why does a woman suddenly appear in a place where ‘there has been nobody for so long’, and ask about Rey’s last name? Were the Lars family her friends? If so how would Rey’s Skywalker pronouncement mean anything to her?
Why do Luke and Leia appear to her in this moment and not Ben?
Why does Rey turn away from the old woman, who clearly wants to talk to someone, to go stare at the binary sunrise?

Sorry if this comes off like a CinemaSins rant, in most films a lot of this would be nitpicky, but here every moment oozes fanservice instead of in-character or even in-universe motivation and I really wish there was a way to replace this scene altogether. I mean, even the Binary Sunset copycat closer from ROTS felt more compelling than this.

I think at minimum Rey should leave the question of ‘Rey who’ unanswered, but Hal, something drastic needs to be done with the end of this movie.

He did say it was for the Sith Cultists, but it was placed over the DS battle in the trailer and feels like a better place for it there, so that’s my theory.