NeverarGreat

That’s on my to-do list.

https://i.imgur.com/jd7sxcj.mp4

It’s funny but it’s also rather true that the Rebel Alliance in the OT could be classified as a terror cell full of religious extremists whilst the Empire is basically secular.

Oh it’s this again, is it.

TestingOutTheTest said:

NeverarGreat said:

The difference is that those aren’t soft reboots that force the world and story to retread the same tired ground for the sake of nostalgia, and in fact those examples derive much of their impact from the accomplishments of the prior movies.

Except nothing they did ended up mattering in the slightest, either.

Nothing Thor, Heimdall, Loki or Hulk did in Ragnarok mattered, Thanos was just gonna kill the other Asgardians.

Except for the half he didn’t kill who formed New Asgard on Earth…

Getting the Avengers to team up didn’t matter either, they just broke up in Civil War.

Except when the Avengers saved the entire universe…

Everything that happened in Future Past didn’t matter, either, all the other X-Men are dead and the Earth is basically an apocalypse now.

Ecept that Days of Future Past specifically averted an apocalypse and there’s no apocalypse in Logan despite your bizarre assertion that there is one. I genuinely wonder if you are hallucinating a different movie.

At least the OT’s accomplishments delayed Palpatine and the Empire, and gave our newest generation of heroes enough time and lessons and training and preparation and whatnot to stop them forever. The specific destruction of the NR was necessary to make the FO threat seem real and set up TLJ and to show that the Republic was inherently flawed and that the galaxy’s citizens and people needed to cooperate with each other. The specific destruction of the Jedi is there to make Luke feel guilty for failing Ben.

I’m not gonna bother rebutting each point because digging a hole in a river would be a better use of my time, suffice to say that nothing you say even comes close to even addressing the fact that the films are soft reboots that force the world and story to retread the same tired ground for the sake of nostalgia.

So why are you even bringing up this page 1 statement on page 5? That’s a rhetorical question, btw. I think we all know why.

Despite the flak that original scene gets, in my opinion it just requires some more precision and snap to the choreography. I imagine these two combatants know each other’s moves backward and forward, so there would be a minimum of flair as they re-acquainted themselves with these strategies. Vader would attack, Obi-wan would deftly deflect and retreat, rinse and repeat.

Judging Endgame by the standards of movies like 1917 or Citizen Kane seems silly. They’re so different in terms of audience and intent that they might as well be different mediums.

In my opinion, Endgame was a triumph of blockbuster comicbook storytelling that is unlikely to ever be equaled in film, but that doesn’t mean it is great in the same way that Casablanca or 12 Angry Men are great, nor should it try to be.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Concerning that last point, the fact that Kylo rebuilds his mask, Rey rebuilds her lightsaber, and Luke catches it…so many people read it as a middle finger to TLJ without really understanding how it actually builds upon it. TFA is the thesis where things are presented, TLJ is the antithesis where they are violently broken down, and TRoS is the synthesis where they are put back together. It’s about characters being broken down and rebuilt stronger, like how a sword must be soften by the fire before being hardened.

Oh I get it, the rebuilding of the mask/saber/whatever isn’t at issue. My TROS rewrite even has a remade saber. The issue here is how badly it was handled in TROS. Rey’s saber is rebuilt offscreen with barely a hint of the damage it sustained and no mention of that damage in the film. Kylo’s mask, far from being reforged as a symbol of Kylo’s status as a new leader of the First Order, is instead a symbol of his regression back into a mere henchmen for a greater power.

TROS makes a mockery of the Dialectic tradition of Star Wars.

PM Sent!

Also FYI, the latest workprint is from June 22, v107. I probably won’t make another until the final release.

Thank you GMatias for your assistance!

Just a quick mockup of the dice shot in motion to see the broad strokes of what needs doing:

https://vimeo.com/590342667

Password: fanedit

For me Han is feeling a bit constrained by the large panel covering his chest, I’m considering moving that down in relation to the rest of the cockpit to give him some more room in shot. Also, I could move the entire frame down somewhat.

All of these attempts feel almost but not quite there. I think that it has to do with how he says the word ‘end’ as if it’s the final word of the sentence. The word needs a bit more attack and depth here in the middle of the sentence.

JackNapier said:

jarbear said:

NeverarGreat said:

“UNLIMITED POWAH” (Lightning curves around entire city blocks and smacks the temple and it gets blowed up)

A single stream of lightning gets bounced back from a lightsaber at the temple and nuts Palps.

Palps jacks off in order to force lightning the temple.

You made me read this with MY OWN TWO EYES THAT MY PARENTS GAVE ME

Imhotep said:

I finally got around to watching this edit (version 105 I think). You’ve made excellent additions to the film. It’s great to see an edit not only trimming things away, but adding elements in a thoughtful way. Amazing work!

Some notes from my viewing:

• The drawing of the island in Rey’s hut is a beautiful and seamless addition.
• Your restructuring of scenes to space out events over a longer period of time works well, given the constraints of the available material. It always bothered me that the majority of TFA seems to take place over just a day or so.
• I enjoy the new placement of Kylo’s meditation scene, but am unsure about making this a prayer to Snoke. I prefer to keep separate his submission to Snoke and worship of Vader. Though, his worship of Vader was an element that should have been paid off in Episode IX, but wasn’t. So it doesn’t really go anywhere, except for brief dialogue from Snoke at the beginning of TLJ.

Yeah, like you said his Vader worship doesn’t really go anywhere. With him praying to Snoke, it does a few things. First, it introduces the idea of a Supreme Leader without mentioning his goofy name, potentially getting an audience on board through incremental info. Second, it reinforces the implication in TFA that Snoke can manipulate people’s minds across vast distances such as turning Ben to the Dark Side. This is an explicit plot point in TLJ so I think it helps both films in that regard. Finally, Ben knows that Vader turned back to the light in the end, so it doesn’t even make sense to pray to Vader since he doesn’t even exist as a Dark Side spirit at this point.

• I miss Rey’s dream sequence on Jakku from a few versions back, what are your thoughts on removing this?

I went back and forth for a while on this one, ultimately concluding that the scene works better as an introduction to Rey as a normal girl. Giving her a vision this early short-circuits some of the power of her later Force development such as the saber visions. I have also become less-enamored of visions and things which disrupt the flow of ‘normal’ events in the film. It was still a hard decision because I do still like the vision and it will probably make it into the other version of the edit.

• The shots of the Falcon entering and exiting hyperspace after leaving Jakku are excellent.
• I wonder if Leia’s deleted scene with Kor Sella could be placed after the Resistance learn of Starkiller base, as this would clarify the sense of urgency in the deleted scene.

That’s a good idea, but the main problem is one of integration. There would need to be some buffer between Finn telling Leia about the weapon and her going to Kor Sella. Maybe the brief Chewbacca and Kalonia cutaway scene would work there, but it might be too brief. It can’t really happen after the scene between Leia and Han since at that point they’ve already sent a reconnaissance mission to Starkiller and it would be weird to alert the Republic about info they don’t have, and putting the scene after that point feels too late.

The other issue is the music. The music in this scene works really well since it was originally part of the D’Kar landing and all that I did was cut some of Finn wandering around to make room for the deleted scene.

• Rey’s extended mind trick scene is great.
• Great use of voiceover from the stormtroopers, where Rey climbs down to hide in Starkiller base. This really helps give context to the scene.
• I’m keen to see how the restored scene with Kylo in the Falcon worked with the child voice over, would you mind reposting this? I feel this could connect well with Snoke’s line in TLJ, ‘you’re just a child in a mask’.

https://vimeo.com/459628132 Password: fanedit
It’s at about the 6 minute mark.

• If you can add in the dice scene, that would be amazing! Unfortunately I can’t think of any shots that would help in that regard. It sounds like a difficult shot to add, but it would be a fantastic addition.
• The binary beacon is a great addition.

The edit is in a great place. It looks like you’re on the finishing touches at the moment, but then you always seem to find ways to improve the film that I never would have expected! I look forward to watching it again when you get to the final version.

Thanks for the review, glad to hear that so much is working!

“UNLIMITED POWAH” (Lightning curves around entire city blocks and smacks the temple and it gets blowed up)

It would be a difficult endeavor to replace Anakin with Palpatine in the temple scenes, but I’m not gonna say it’s impossible.

Yeah, anyone who wants to try this edit out be my guest 😃

We’re probably getting away from unpopular opinions, so my thoughts on the subject can be found here.

More to the thread, I think it’s still somewhat unpopular to think of TROS as worse than AOTC, at best most people probably view them as similarly bad. But they’re wrong. TROS is the worst. By a lot.

RogueLeader said:

Are you planning to use the same musical cue from Solo as Ridley did? Perhaps you could trim the shot before his face moves in front of it. You kind of end up with weird continuity between that shot and the following shot regardless. At the very lest that could be an option if that ends up being too difficult.

That’s a possibility, especially since we were planning on making a new shot of the dice directly after that shot.

Master Lawdog said:

Is it possible in the shot where Kylo Ren’s saber is glowing before he turns it on to kill Lor San Tekka to digitally remove the glow than cropping it out? Just curious.

I tried that first, but it’s a very strong glow across a lot of the shot and it was rather untenable to fix the bottom of the frame. I recall it barely worked to fix the rest of it.

Then I won’t worry about it. 😃

I will have to take out the camera rig, as well as remove some of the ceiling and maybe some of the man to the left of Han if he enters shot. The worst bit of this shot will probably be when Han’s face goes half-behind the camera rig. I’ve never had to do that level of reconstructive surgery.

Well if anyone wishes to continue the project or any other which incorporates these ideas, you will have my blessing.

True.

Looks pretty fun!

I vividly recall my first viewing of ROTS and being on board with Palpatine whispering in Anakin’s ear about how the Jedi are flawed and the Dark Side could grant good effects if only the Jedi would allow them. I thought it was a really smart way to go about Anakin’s turn.

But then we get to Mace’s death scene and all of that goes out the window as Anakin cartoonishly pledges himself to Monster Mash and vows to murder all the children. It’s just so out of left field that I mentally checked out and threw the prequels in the garbage because of that scene.

So if this change were to be achieved, it’s not hyperbole to say that for me it would almost single-handedly save the prequels.

LexX said:

Bluto said:

LexX said:

Speaking of small details, does anyone still know what the intercom voice says here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKs0iI68Rx8&t=30s
I have some idea but I still don’t know for sure what he says.

NeverarGreat said:

“Media Squad, prep your team and check any power (powdered?) supplies.”

Maybe. The sounds change based on what I’m expecting to hear.

That’s a tough one. I couldn’t make out anything at first, but now think NeverarGreat is very close.

• “… squad, prep your team and check …” sounds spot on.
• “Media” has the right sound, but the context doesn’t fit. Due to the sudden cut to this scene, perhaps there’s something before the “edia” sound that was lost in the editing?
• My ears hear different vowel sounds (as well as a different rhythm) at the end: I don’t think it’s “power supplies”, but confess not to have a better suggestion at present.

Someone once suggested it’s meteor squad but I don’t know if that makes any more sense.

Meteor does sound more correct from a Star Wars perspective. I was trying to figure out what that first word was and came up with ‘Phoenix’, but Meteor does sound best.

Well in the mockup I posted, I only replaced two window panes with the BTS footage. In the left front window you can just see in the shadows the ESB cockpit door. The door is repeated in the BTS footage behind Han, which means that the perspective is shifted a good meter or so to the right at the back of the cockpit. I could line up the perspective more accurately, but if I do that then Han’s face is obscured by a window pane. Notice also that part of the BTS cockpit is curving down from the ceiling into the window area, which would need to be fixed.

So basically, I had to misalign the shots to create an acceptable composition. If I had a more straight-on view, the misalignment could be sold more easily.

If it’s not a big deal to anyone I could go ahead and work from this, but it’s not entirely ideal.

The implication here could be that Rey might have left it specifically for Finn before being taken by Leia rather than Leia having the other one from the outset. Either way, it’s just a fun thing for sharp eyes to notice for the two seconds it’s in frame.

Also, just a reminder that I’m still on the lookout for HQ reference images of the Falcon cockpit.