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Hal 9000 said:

Happy to.

No one looking up at the destruction of Hosnian Prime from Maz’s castle seemed to have any issue identifying what was happening. That explanation just doesn’t fly.

And I do feel similarly about lightspeed skipping. Maybe it’s just me being an insufferable dork, but I do.

I feel the same way about that scene and I’m definitely an insufferable dork, so there’s no maybe about it 😉

I’ve been searching for a good-quality version of Han Solo and the Princess that Williams composed in 2018, and this popped up in my recommended tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWem0wXiSSY

It’s slower and less grand than this rendition, but it does feel more like a studio recording.

I did just that last night and it’s quite the sight to behold. Bravo Jonh!

Chase Adams said:

I had so many great ideas for the ‘Muxing up Movie Quotes’ thread but now there’s nobody to appreciate them.

JEDIT: Usually don’t get them, but I still read them.

benduwan said:

there´s some information about this:
https://vimeo.com/36474256

The info is at 9:29 and shows the callsheet where ‘lightman’ appears, though I don’t think there is any more context about what his purpose was.

Arch, maudlin, or romantic dialogue only works with charismatic actors and competent direction, often where the actors play archetypal characters. See The Adventures of Robin Hood for that style done to perfection. ANH actually does a reasonable facsimile of this since the characters are properly archetypal (the rogue, the princes, the farm boy, the wizard). The problem is that the prequels have almost none of these elements. The charisma of the actors is buried under robotic direction, and the underlying characters are muddled and pale shadows of their archetypal counterparts in the OT. As such, the stilted dialogue is just another nail in the coffin.

I assume this is the source of the info?

https://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2016/10/deleted-scene-enter-lightman.html

Some more sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyjuHeVJcI4

From this site, there’s some more discussion.

I wonder where aficionado got his info, since his is the only source I can find that suggests this creature had an entire scene devoted to him. Maybe you could email him?

JEDIT: Also interesting to note, these two images show very different costumes. The first one appears to be intended to be placed on the actor’s back, and the second one appears to be on his front, and there are different patterns of lights on each costume.

It might be interesting to extend the scene of Tarkin learning the situation on Dantooine. It would start with the darkened conference table and a voice coming through from the orb at the center. The Emperor warns Tarkin that the destruction of Alderaan could drive more support to the Rebellion, but Tarkin assures him that they now have the location of the Rebel base. The transmission ends and they receive word that Dantooine is a bust, leading Tarkin to call for Leia’s execution.

JakeRyan17 said:

No, but she says civilians deserve to be murdered by cops… again: brainwashing is brainwashing. Anyone can be radicalised.

Anyone can be the victim of propaganda, sure. Do I view my parents as victims of their propagandistic media diet? Yes. But they also haven’t picked up arms and joined a terrorist organization bent on ruling the world. At a certain point there’s a choice with an adult, brainwashing or not.

I’m just saying that if we want to feel better about stormtroopers in Star Wars being people, stunners is the way to go. Trying to find reasons to excuse murders just feels wrong. Stormtroopers being abducted as children or conscripting as adults doesn’t really matter. They are adults now with the ability to go against those orders (as Finn, Jannah, and several others have) or not. I don’t think we need to create an age limit for when someone joined they deserve to die or not.

Of course it matters if they joined as adults…that means that the choice Finn consciously made in TFA to defect was available to every one of them before they even joined and they all joined anyway. When Finn tells Rey he made a choice…well that’s actually his second choice. His first was to join in the first place, and his defection is him merely atoning for that choice like Vader atoning for his decision to follow Sidious. Before this atonement Han was right to shoot at Vader on Cloud City in an attempt to kill, even though you could argue that Vader was definitely brainwashed by Sidious to be evil over the course of Anakin’s entire childhood. There was still a choice that Anakin made, the same choice that Finn would have made were he conscripted as an adult.

If empathy is the goal, looking for excuses why some people deserve to die and others don’t, especially separated from their own actions (as no one is changing what the First Order is doing, we’re not talking about cutting out the violence stormtroopers inflict here), just doesn’t feel like the path to it.

If people being killed bothers you, stunners solve that problem. A new backstory that’s barely different doesn’t really change the fact that people who used to be in the same position as Finn and Jannah are now being killed by them.

Actually, stunners solve basically nothing since almost all of the First Order troopers die in starship crashes. Millions died before our eyes in the final minutes of TROS. If they were willing recruits, that’s entirely different than if they were kidnapped as children and programmed to be soldiers. We don’t cry out at the destruction of the Death Stars. Why? Because we view those inside as willing and complicit soldiers fighting for an evil empire, not as victims who were raised in isolation to kill.

You have my trust SilverWook, for what it’s worth. I believe this place would be a darker one with your absence.

Indeed, it doesn’t make sense to have a hard age limit at all, especially with the different growing periods of different species.

And a happy new year!

I don’t think there’s necessarily a problem here, for once. It could be that the Jedi did have an ‘official’ age limit to begin the training, but clearly these rules are out the window after their almost total extinction. Yoda’s excuse about age still feels to me like a last-ditch grasp at straws.

We’ve finished Season 6 and are into Season 7 now.

The Inhibitor Chip episodes were pretty good, I liked the use of the sassy medical droid and the amount of intrigue. It’s just a shame that it makes the Jedi Order look even more incompetent than in the movies since now they know of the anti-Jedi defect in the clones.

We decided to watch the Clovis Arc even though we hadn’t seen his previous episodes. It’s a strangely adult-themed arc with brutal jealous violence, a financial plot, and melodrama galore. It’s not terribly relevant and Padme continues to be wasted potential.

The Lost One feels peculiar. On the one hand it’s nice to have answers to AOTC’s dropped plotline, but on the other hand…the Jedi now have answers to AOTC’s plotline. Again they seem totally incompetent for not putting two and two together that the clones are an anti-Jedi weapon. Points for the mysterious sandstorm opening.

To wrap up the show, Yoda goes on an excellent adventure which becomes sort of a bogus journey until he has to face the music. It’s nice to see the show experiment with grand philosophical questions about the nature of the Force and immortality, and some of the imagery is great. The masked beings are striking and it’s good to see Yoda realizing that he has a dark side that he’s been repressing. The Sith episode doesn’t make much sense to me, but at least it’s trying to wrap up the story in a somewhat hopeful way before ROTS.

…

So there’s another season.

The Bad Batch is fun.

That’s all. It just sort of ends. The drama of the bomb is diffused pretty quick and Trask feels like an afterthought. Echo’s torture is pretty dark for the show, which actually feels at odds with the lighthearted Rambo action.

Here’s to seeing how this final final season ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJH_RbnrGUs

Dunno if it was posted before, but a lovely Mando trailer.

RogueLeader said:

Oh shit, you’re right. In his TROS Ahch-To scenes, his right hand is concealed the whole time. Not sure what the deal was with that.

Obviously a symbol of his restraint in war, a true man of humility.

We’re officially through Season 5.

The Youngling arc was fun, though it always felt to me that the building of a lightsaber was the final test of a Jedi’s skill. I suppose for a militant Jedi Order the lightsaber would be even more fetishized, however, so that makes some sense. Hondo also feels like his character is whatever it needs to be for the plot. Still fun, but sloppy writing to have him attack a Jedi ship then have a sudden change of heart. The ancient droid is a nice addition, I hope he appears in the High Republic materials somewhere.

Maul is boring. Mandalore is boring. Sorry for everyone who likes them, but I just don’t care about these noble warrior stereotypes. I am really struggling to find something nice to say about these episodes. I liked how the Black Sun was taken care of. But everything else fell flat. Savage was never a character, the plan for the planetary takeover was childishly easy, and Maul decides not to kill Kenobi for…reasons? Palpatine decides not to kill Maul for…reasons?

The temple bombing arc was great. This is the first time Ventress has felt like a real character. I liked the decision to put almost no humans in the undercity, implying a racist stratification which is quite dark for a kid’s show, as well as the implication that the Jedi don’t even realize how little their employees are paid. I had always assumed that Ahsoka had left the Jedi of her own volition instead of being expelled, and that kind of happens, but I think it still would have been stronger had she decided to leave without the Jedi’s inquisition. Overall, still a great end to the season.

^My recommendation would be similar, except for replacing TROS with the Holiday Special.

Random thought: is the statement ‘It is the will of the Force’ the correct spelling, or would it be ‘It is the Whill of the Force?’

Well that was quite the rollercoaster.

Now that is stunning work!

jedi_bendu said:

JadedSkywalker said:

My opinion of the sequel trilogy changed,i sort of hated them until i saw the rise of skywalker, i’ve pretty much come to like them a lot.

This is an interesting one: I loved them until I saw The Rise of Skywalker! It’s weird how that one movie has retroactively influenced how I feel about the other two films. In the end I think they’re well-made movies, or at least TFA and TLJ are, but I don’t like the rehash of Empire vs Rebellion with Palpatine as the main villain. I need to read more Legends novels beyond the Thrawn trilogy but I already think I might take those instead.

This is where I am as well. The ST had some promise until TROS decided to abandon it. I don’t hate the first two movies now, but only because I don’t treat TROS among my personal canon.

As far as my opinions changing over time, I’ve definitely grown to appreciate the original films more over the years as more and more ancillary movies and shows have been released. The originals feel more and more like a different genre, even considering the Mandalorian.

I dunno, Darth Vader is pretty evil-sounding. It makes more sense that Anakin changed his name at some point to something more sinister. The issue is that Darth became a title given to any goofball with a red lightsaber instead of a unique first name.

Yes, that’s definitely better. And though I think a bit of light bleed over the brightest part of the planet behind the ship might improve it, it’s certainly good either way.

No more complaints from me 😃