Always nice to see an Adywan mega post. 😃
I’m more excited to see a Ripplin post 😉
Always nice to see an Adywan mega post. 😃
I’m more excited to see a Ripplin post 😉
Use an exclamation point followed by open brackets, then closed brackets, then parentheses where you will place the URL of the image you want to post. Like this:
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…except without the spaces.
It’s ironic; I came up with ‘Sith eyes Rey’ before TROS was even in production as a way to indicate that one particular moment should be read as darker than usual, and when TROS released people insisted I add the two small Palpatine sound references from Hal’s project into mine out of obligation more than anything else. I was trying to allow the project to play nice with any possible future, but personally I oppose Rey Palpatine with every fiber of my being.
But now the edit has apparently become the very thing I swore to destroy.
The freighter idea sounds good. For the other dialogue, perhaps:
Sir, Phasma has all available troops searching the cell block, and base patrols are doubled."
“Put every hangar on lockdown! The longer it takes to find her, the more dangerous she becomes.”
And yes, I was planning on fixing the music issues and making it less repetitive. The original film has this musical theme during the update scenes, but now that they’re all together it needs more variation.
JEDIT: The other option to fix the repetitive nature of the scenes would be to restructure the events to be a bit more in line with the theatrical version.
-Kylo finds Rey missing
-Rey runs down the halls
-Kylo Updated Part 1
-Falcon Hyperspace and landing
-Senate Response (cuts to mountain establishing shot)
-Kylo Updated Part 2
-Han, Finn and Chewie
-Hux Starkiller update
-The Crew Enters the Base
The trouble is that Kylo’s tantrum is a natural end to those events, so cutting to Rey feels odd as well. However, it probably makes the most sense to put the Kylo update part 1 scene right before the Hyperspace shot so that when we come back to the base and have a similar scene it’s as if we are picking up where we left off.
The Clone Wars being above the OT is a war crime, but the lack of TROS forgives all.
I think I’ve cracked it! All that was required was a bit of audio editing.
“Sir, Phasma reports that the girl must have escaped the cell block.”
“She’s just beginning to touch her powers. The longer it takes to find her, the more dangerous she becomes. Put every hangar on lockdown!”
(Rey runs through the halls)
“My Lord, all hangars are on lockdown, but we found a vessel outside the base.”
“She’s going to try to steal that ship to escape!”
“Sir, it’s the Falcon.”
The first line had to be shortened due to Kylo saying more lines after it, but alternately I could cut ‘She’s just beginning to touch her powers’ and keep the flow of the original scene largely intact. For example:
“Sir, Phasma’s troops are searching the cell block, but she could have moved to other levels.”
“The longer it takes to find her, the more dangerous she becomes. Put every hangar on lockdown.”
I’ve updated the prior link with this version. Also available here
In my version, Han’s line and the crashing through the forest has been cut. But even if it wasn’t, they still emerged from Hyperspace some ways above the mountains so there was probably a blip on the radar screens.
I’ve thought about moving the scenes around so Kylo and Han are both in the base at the same time, but I’m constrained by the logistics of what’s happening to a certain extent. We need to have some space between Kylo in the base and Kylo at the Falcon to preserve the continuity of movement, and that’s also why I’m trying to put some dialogue in to indicate the location of the Falcon. Otherwise Kylo would just sense Han and go straight to him.
Children’s drama is Filoni’s strong suit, which is one reason why ATLA was so good.
But as noted, Filoni isn’t great at translating that broad simplistic emotionality into adult drama, which is one reason why his other shows suffer.
Yep, and a bonus if we stick with something that ends with ‘a laser cannon’ is that anyone who wants just the original line replacement can shorten it themselves.
On to the main event, I think I’ve finally cracked the Search for Rey scene progression. It’s basically the theatrical progression with altered dialogue, which means that I can keep every frame of the original short scenes.
Here is the latest. Keep in mind audio is very rough and ready at the end, as I haven’t finalized the music or transitions.
And here’s the sequence in dialogue:
“Sir, Phasma has sent every available Stormtrooper to the cell block, but she may have moved to other levels.”
“She’s just beginning to touch her powers. The longer it takes to find her, the more dangerous she becomes.”
(Rey moves to other levels)
“My Lord, we’ve detected a vessel landing in sector 12, but all ships are accounted for.”
“Put every hangar on lockdown! She’s going to try and steal a ship to escape!”
Hopefully this threads the needle between everything that needs to be established for future scenes to work. We establish Phasma and her sending her troops to the cell block, while admitting that this will probably be insufficient and Kylo must think bigger in order to capture her. Then we get Rey doing what she does well, followed by a very tricky bit of exposition. This must simultaneously establish the Falcon’s location so that Kylo will be expected in that location later, as well as being about the hangar situation so that Kylo’s statement about hangar lockdowns doesn’t come out of left field. I like that the officer doesn’t even register that it could be an enemy ship, but Kylo immediately knows the culprit. Finally, I think it’s neat that Kylo could either be sensing Han through the Force or merely coming to the conclusion of who must be on that vessel.
Keep in mind that fascists like the Nazis often gain support by tapping into the desire to return to the glory of an idealized past.
Blue lightsabers are a reasonable idea. Also, in keeping with the idea that the Jedi were protectors from a more idealized time, I imagine they would have been more like Samurai than soldiers. For example, many would be in service to the reigning monarchs of the frontier worlds like the King of Alderaan, and these were the only ones known as Knights as opposed to people like Yoda who were always unaffiliated teachers and mentors. These Jedi Knights would wear black like Luke in ROTJ.
The Damn Fool Idealistic Crusade of the Jedi may be where people like Obi-wan, Jedi Knights under the command of the King of Alderaan, wish to band together to fight the clones and it may have been their idea to turn the Chancellor of the Old Republic into an Emperor in order to bring the Jedi together. Then, when the Jedi Knights begin to realize the error of their ways, Anakin is secretly tasked by his Emperor with hunting down defectors from the new Order and terminating them.
Indeed, and this is the sort of thing that makes the edit so fun 😃
I also found a pretty good BTS shot of the Resistance Starkiller Briefing scene, so there’s the possibility for Eddie to record a more substantial line for that place in the film. I’m thinking something like:
“They somehow managed to create a hyperlightspeed weapon built within the planet itself.”
“But it operates more like a supernova than a laser cannon.”
“We’re not sure how to describe a weapon of this scale.”
I’m searching for a pretty specific documentary - I remember that it discussed The Force Awakens, specifically the building of the hallways from Starkiller Base. It’s not on my Blu-ray special features at all.
JEDIT: All I’ve been able to find is this Wired article about the hallways:
Perhaps this was a case of misremembered medium.
If I can extend the closeup so it turns back, then perhaps. I’m still working on that one.
Taking a look through the documentary was a good idea, though, since I managed to find a shot that works well to extend the Senate Response scene and give Eddie’s line a bit of room to breathe.
Here is the latest, with just the scene.
I think anyone seriously attempting a rewrite of the prequels would find this guide very helpful…I came up with a lot of the same conclusions at the time and this is a good summary.
So, seeing as this is the premiere TFA edit thread pretty much, I thought I might as well ask this question here.
With each movie in the ST, I know that there’s been a pretty extensive Behind The Scenes documentary for each one on the Blu-Ray that has some alternate takes or cut scenes being filmed or what not. I know with TROS, some footage from that was used to great effect in Hal’s Ascendant edit (mostly just because of the lack of actual deleted scenes). I wonder if there are any scenes from TFA’s documentary that could be used as well alongside with the deleted scenes?
Just wanted to respond to this again, since I’ve just been going through the BTS footage.
In the feature length documentary, there’s about four minutes of behind the scenes footage that could potentially be used for edits. Of course, most of it is highly situational and almost all would require added cleanup and/or VFX. I have a standard quality version in my resources folder if anyone wants to take a look.
I’ve fixed the voice trailing off issue, and I have a potential fix for the jump cut head turn, but I’m drawing a blank at replacing the 180 shot with something else, simply because there’s only two shots in that scene.
I’ve been going back through deleted and BTS material and I can’t find anything remotely about the Starkiller Base hallways. This is weird because I distinctly remember watching someone talk about how they built the Starkiller hallways to be filmable from many directions, but I don’t have any idea where I watched it.
I could extend the last two shots a bit.
Hal 9000 said:
Maybe when he chokes on the word “escape,” add a sneeze a second later.
This is why I keep you around 😉
JEDIT: Maybe I’ll try fixing that word in Audacity
Well the reason I flipped it was because it would just cut from a shot of Kylo to a slightly different shot of Kylo from the same angle. I realize it breaks the 180 degree rule, but that’s really the only thing I could do to put enough footage in the scene to cover the dialogue. Of course I could cut the reversed shot of him turning his head back, but that breaks the continuity of action which is an even more noticeable sin.
The question is whether the idea survives with those shots in that configuration, so if it’s a dealbreaker perhaps not.
I’d be interested in hearing what specifically makes it feel odd. Keep in mind the music and integration of the scene will be changed, but really I’m wondering if the basic premise of the scene works, the dialogue and progression of the shots.
-Mountain establishing shot
-Troops marching down the corridor
“Sir, Phasma’s troops are converging on the prison level, and all sectors are on alert.”
“She’s just beginning to touch her powers. The longer it takes to find her…” (Distracted by the Force)
“Put every hangar on lockdown! She’s going to steal a ship to escape!”
-Rey runs furtively down the corridor
You’re both wrong. He falls down the shaft with lightning still shooting out of his hands, then on his way down he redirects his lightning hands to act as rocket boosters and launches himself at high speed back up the shaft, exploding out of the throne room ceiling into space like the elevator from Willy Wonka.
Don’t forget what happened to the man who got everything he always wanted. He lived happily ever after.
File this under ‘weird ideas’ but I wanted to see if it was possible to combine both Kylo update scenes into one. The answer: maybe! I think it’s pretty fun, especially the unintentional zolly effect at the end that makes it feel extra intense, and with some effects work may even be a viable scene.
It gets me thinking, of course, whether such a scene could be used in this edit. It would need officer voiceover like before, basic stuff like ‘Sir, Phasma’s troops are converging on the prison level’. I like the idea that Kylo senses Rey’s intentions on the base rather than his father many miles away, but it would require some other scene where he goes after the Falcon. With repurposed Stormtrooper dialogue in the other update scene, they could say something direct like ‘Sir, the Falcon has been found in the mountains above the base.’ without Kylo responding at all, or just his quiet ‘Han Solo’. This would send him off for his scene on the Falcon like before. Having a specific line of dialogue about the Falcon also explains why Kylo goes directly to the Falcon rather than intercepting Han, whom he can apparently sense from miles away in the theatrical cut.
So perhaps the scenes would go:
-Base Establishing Shot
-Combined Kylo Update
-Rey Roams the Halls
-Trooper Alerts Kylo to the Falcon
-Han and Finn move to the base
One could interpret energy absorption as an ability Vader uses when Han shoots his blaster at him.
And if it only works against Force lightning, the ability to negate another Force ability seems lame, especially since AOTC neutered the ability before it appeared by showing that lightsabers can do the same job just as well.
AotC: Lightning Absorption
RotS: Plagueis Deeplore
Ah yes, the ‘possible editing mistake’, the ‘tertiary Force ability from ESB’, and ‘happened offscreen twenty years ago’.