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#1266289
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Also, I just listened to the commentary and have a question for Hal (and everyone else): When watching Rey tap into the Force and overpower Kylo at the end, do you interpret this as her using the Dark Side, or just harnessing the ‘light’ which has ‘always been there’? I ask this because if Rey were so susceptible to the Dark Side here, that might constitute a very great character flaw and go a long way towards making her a more dynamic lead.

BTW, thanks for the many shout outs in the commentary Hal, you’re really too kind!

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#1266288
Topic
TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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littlev87 said:

Hal, you mention in your commentary that you found Finn’s character arch to be disappointing, specifically referring to the “taken from birth and programmed” part of his history, and that he doesn’t seem to fit that description in any way. I am in the process of watching your latest version of the edit, and it seems it would be possible to edit out those specific facts about the first order storm troopers. It would make his character much more realistic if he wasn’t taken from birth. It could be reasoned that he only partook in the first order out of fear. Just a thought.

edit post viewing:

I also want to say this edit is absolutely unreal. Honestly, in my opinion the best ep7 edit. One other question can anything be done about the music during the falcon tie chase on jakku? Ep5 asteroid chase theme is all I can think about watching that scene.

thanks for making this excellent edit.

That’s an interesting idea, taking out the ‘raised from birth’, but you would have to remove both Hux’s line on the Finalizer and Finn’s admission to Rey in Maz’s castle.

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#1266283
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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littlev87 said:

NeverarGreat said:

littlev87 said:

This whole tracking ships thing is kinda ambiguous since day one of star wars. Doesn’t Leia suggest in ep4 after escaping the death star that they are being tracked, that is why they escaped so easily? Doesn’t boba fett track the falcon to cloud city after drifting off with the garbage? Also, doesn’t obi wan track jango in ep2 from kamino to geonosis? I can’t remember all the details off the top of my head but in all instances I think lightspeed was used. So whats the deal?

None of these examples are ambiguous.

In Ep 4, Tarkin says ‘You’re sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?’, clearly indicating that it was a device which they installed.

In Ep 5, Boba Fett was able to track the Falcon using line of sight and sensors since the Falcon couldn’t enter Hyperspace.

In Ep 2, Obi-wan throws a homing beacon onto Jango’s ship.

In all of these examples, it’s clear that for hyperspace tracking a physical device is necessary.

Why couldn’t the first order just shoot a tracking device at the resistance ships similar to the one obi wan throws at jango’s ship? The first order fighters are able to pass through the shields of the resistance ships.

That would have made much more sense, actually.

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#1266261
Topic
The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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littlev87 said:

This whole tracking ships thing is kinda ambiguous since day one of star wars. Doesn’t Leia suggest in ep4 after escaping the death star that they are being tracked, that is why they escaped so easily? Doesn’t boba fett track the falcon to cloud city after drifting off with the garbage? Also, doesn’t obi wan track jango in ep2 from kamino to geonosis? I can’t remember all the details off the top of my head but in all instances I think lightspeed was used. So whats the deal?

None of these examples are ambiguous.

In Ep 4, Tarkin says ‘You’re sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?’, clearly indicating that it was a device which they installed.

In Ep 5, Boba Fett was able to track the Falcon using line of sight and sensors since the Falcon couldn’t enter Hyperspace.

In Ep 2, Obi-wan throws a homing beacon onto Jango’s ship.

In all of these examples, it’s clear that for hyperspace tracking a physical device is necessary.

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#1266109
Topic
The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

Good point. The scene doesn’t bother me either, but just trying to see ways to make it more enjoyable for others. Although at this point I think people either like it or don’t, know matter how much I might try to make it more bearable for those who didn’t like it.

Honestly the more I think about the Last Jedi, the less things I think are necessary to change. I think for some inevitable edit of my own, I probably would use some of Hal’s trims as a basis (along with the additional Finn scenes, darthrush’s shift of the Yoda scene, and maybe a slightly altered opening crawl), but beyond that I think I would only introduce maybe two major additions that I haven’t scene before.

I myself have a fan edit in mind which is mostly pretty light save for one semi-major change that I haven’t seen proposed yet. Will post if I can ever get it to work right.

The suspense is killing me.

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#1265781
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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SWOTFAN25 said:

What do you guys think about the star wars fandom in general right now.

I love the members of this website but if you go elsewhere specifically YouTube its just a complete dumpster fire.

Its either clickbait from Mike Zeroh, #StarWarsDead, or “Disney/Kathleen Kennedy should be burned alive” videos. Besides the Vader fan film to me its all pretty embarrassing…

Youtube has always been a Wretched Hive, moreso after The Last Jedi.

I have no hard data to back it up, but I fear that a lot of the toxicity around Star Wars right now is coming from my generation, the ones that grew up watching the OT on VHS and seeing the Prequels in theaters, people who are now in their thirties or forties. Because I can’t imagine people like my parents, children of the 60’s and 70’s, caring too much about what the Mouse House is doing with the franchise after the mess that GL had made, nor having the time to whine about it in YouTube comment sections. And it’s funny, because I had come to assume that the folks here at the OT forums were the nitpicky cantankerous grumps, whereas many who grew up enjoying the prequels would love the franchise no matter what.

But there are still places unaffected by the toxicity:

https://sleemo.com/

That’s one I visit whenever I feel like the criticism and toxicity becomes too much.

I realize now that there are certain ways in which I interpret the (soon to be) three trilogies which allow me to appreciate them. The Original Trilogy requires the least interpretation, mostly just stripping it of the later EU baggage so that the films can stand on their own as the works of art they are. The prequels I can appreciate on the level of theme and concept, stemming from the pulp anthropologist mind of George Lucas. The themes of corruption and allusions to the Roman Republic, wrapped in a stilted classic Hollywood style make these truly unique and valuable films.

Finally, I find I can really appreciate the ST for its high production values and the genuine love for Star Wars on display, centered around some genuinely excellent and magnetic characters. The weaknesses of the ST being an overreliance on coincidence and fan service make it feel like the most extravagant fan project of all time, which I think is why it’s so easy to fanedit - the trilogy itself is an evolving collaboration between fans of the series with naturally differing viewpoints, so what’s one more viewpoint in the mix?

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#1265618
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Ideas for "Fanedit Documentary"
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Sounds like fun!

Maybe you could use TFA Restructured as an example of a collaborative edit - I personally had a blast working on it with Hal and Ridley and the many others who contributed. The Leia deleted scene and the Star Destroyer over Maz’s castle were both areas that simply couldn’t have been done (or done well) without everyone working together.

And of course if you’d like to use any TFA:Starlight materials feel free.

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#1265580
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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SWOTFAN25 said:

Sir Ridley said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Thank you!

The edit is in progress, and probably won’t be released for quite some time due to the number of edit’s I’m still working on.

As for the TIE crash, I can see your sequence working, but you’d have to lose the scene of the female officer informing Hux of the impending crash. I’m working on some ideas for that scene right now though, and it might be worth losing that bit.

JEDIT: Here’s a somewhat rough mockup of a much earlier concept - the First Order has visited the crash site before Finn wakes up and has left a probe droid behind:

https://vimeo.com/312448116

Password: fanedit

What it really needs is a decent establishing shot of the droid.

Force Awakens Restructured V3 is amazing. HAL 9000 gives you a TON of credit in the commentary. I just need to know, how did you get the time stamp off of the deleted scene with Leia!?

I removed the time stamp from the deleted scene where Leia talks to Snap Wexley and Korr Sella (NeverarGreat did a small part of it too) for TFA Restructured. I used Adobe After Effects to recreate the video hidden behind the time code piece by piece by using still images that were animated to move around and follow the background (and sometimes people and objects) that moved behind the time code. Some shots were easy with a simple background while others needed many layers of objects that had to be animated in various ways to recreate the hidden footage.

Extraordinary work, I should’ve double checked that it was you not Neverar lol

If you want to see the process I used for removing the timestamp from one shot (which was quite similar to Ridley’s approach on the rest of the scene), I posted a little walkthrough here (page 7 of this thread):

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Force-Awakens-The-Starlight-Project/id/54912/page/7#1147760

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#1265425
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Thank you!

The edit is in progress, and probably won’t be released for quite some time due to the number of edit’s I’m still working on.

As for the TIE crash, I can see your sequence working, but you’d have to lose the scene of the female officer informing Hux of the impending crash. I’m working on some ideas for that scene right now though, and it might be worth losing that bit.

JEDIT: Here’s a somewhat rough mockup of a much earlier concept - the First Order has visited the crash site before Finn wakes up and has left a probe droid behind:

https://vimeo.com/312448116

Password: fanedit

What it really needs is a decent establishing shot of the droid.

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#1265278
Topic
The future of OT.com - UPDATE: Please donate!
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DZ-330 said:

As long as 20 people here donate at least $4 dollars each month that more than covers it. In my opinion, if you can’t spare $4 a month maybe you should stop reading this and update your résumé. 😜

Also, is there a way we can add some kind of indicator to how much is left before the deadline? It may help to incentivize people to donate.

An indicator would definitely be helpful.

Donated!

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#1265222
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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The ‘Agreed’ is from the TFA Lego game. It’s not 100%, but works well enough I think and primes the audience to expect that the scene will play differently.

You’re right, there’s something still not working about the First Order imagery. If the goal is to make them an intimidation tactic by Kylo, then they need to be more personally relevant to Poe or have Kylo say something villainous about the Starkiller threat.

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#1265153
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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It’s funny, I did originally have a shot of BB-8, and even played with form cutting to Starkiller, but both versions felt too obvious.

I see what you mean about the reused footage though. If only there were some more deleted materials to use. As it is, the only way to not reuse shots is to rely solely on visions from Kylo like the deleted weapon charging shot and the stormtrooper salute. Maybe it would work if it were implied that the mind reading is mostly projection used to wear down the victim.

And yes, the final shot of Poe was an intentional nod to the trailer 😉

JEDIT: Here’s the interrogation with minimal Poe flashbacks and almost all deleted material from Restructured:

https://vimeo.com/312240300

Password: fanedit

It might also be interesting to remove the Poe shots from earlier, and have them here instead so that there is a slight mystery for some people as to what he actually did with the plans.

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#1265118
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I’ve tried several approaches, though none of them were quite what you propose. However, I think it’s best to let this stay hypothetical and move on to other ideas.

For example, I was thinking about how there really should be an introduction to the Starkiller threat early in the movie so the audience isn’t blindsided by it later on, and also considering how the Resistance seems to know about it (in Restructured V3 Poe will say ‘Finn’s familiar with the weapon system, he worked on the base’). So how does Poe know about it? I thought that it would be neat to show some brief clips from the Hosnian destruction scene in Kylo’s interrogation of Poe, keeping some original shots to make it clear that these visions or predictions are unique to Kylo and differ slightly from actual events:

https://vimeo.com/312200109

Password: fanedit

It will also serve to foreshadow the type of thing I will do in Rey’s interrogation scene, and establish how Kylo’s mind reading is a two way street even for non-Force users.

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#1264873
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Dr. Krogshöj said:

There’s only one thing that bothers me in the first act. Whatever sequence you end up with, Poe’s only waking up during the night following Rey’s and Finn’s escape with the Falcon. So he gets off Jakku, back to the Resistance and to Takodana while the Falcon flies from Han’s freighter near Jakku to Takodana. Which implies that it has a really, really, REALLY slow hypedrive at this point.

Poe’s hastily contrived survival has always bugged me, but there’s really not much I can think to do about that. On the other hand, I like to think that Finn’s escape from the First Order on Jakku had to do with fellow Stormtroopers looking the other way in their search.

In other news, I’ve played around with the idea of opening with Rey, and I’m quite satisfied with the fact that there’s simply no way to do that restructure with the available footage. Congratulations RL, you were right 😉. However, I just had to see the concept of the false starfield in action, so I put some time into the mockup:

https://vimeo.com/311822845

Password: fanedit

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#1264687
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Here’s a fairly quick and dirty version of the restructure.

https://vimeo.com/311589354

Password: fanedit

The sequence is now:

-Poe arrives on the Finalizer, Finn is accosted by Phasma
-Poe is interrogated
-Rey’s day and finding of BB-8
-The Rescue
-Hux sends the squad to the wreckage
-Finn awakens/sees Niima outpost
-Hux and Kylo bicker
-Rey arrives at Niima with BB-8/Plutt bargains for the droid
-Finn arrives at Niima.

The Apocalypse TIEs seemed out of place, so I decided against using them. Without that buffer, I had to leave the Hux and Kylo scene where it was originally.

RogueLeader said:

That’s true too. I don’t think it would hurt to try and push the grass in one direction, and if it is too much, find a happy medium somewhere.

You also will have that wide shot where Rey swoops by the sunset on her way back home. The sun is very visible there so you’ll have a clear shot to illustrate the sun’s color.

Grass?
Regardless, I’ve since discovered that every attempt at turning the sun/sky a different color plays havoc with the explosions and blaster bolts later on. If it was just a few shots I could work around it, but there are dozens of shots which would need serious work and I don’t know if it’s worth it.

Dr. Krogshöj said:

There is an exterior shot of the Finalizer just before Kylo Ren’s monologue to Vader’s helmet. Since you already plan to move that scene (as far as I remember), it might act as a buffer between the Interrogation and the Escape. The problem is, there’s Starkiller Base in the background so that would have to be removed, which is surely a time consuming project if it’s even possible.

Good idea. There really needs to be less time between Finn being sent to Reconditioning and the rescue. As it is, I don’t know how to do that without Rey’s day getting in the way. Unless…

Opening crawl paragraph 3 describes how a clue to Luke has been found on a planet ravaged by war.
-Cut from false starfield to Rey opening the compartment, as was intended at some point in TFA’s writing.
-Show Rey’s day through shot of her riding past the setting sun at dusk, then interior of her home until the wall of scratches.
-Use this as a transition to Tekka describing the despair in the galaxy, through his remark about Leia being royalty.
-Closeup of BB-8 viewing danger, rushing into the hut to warn Poe.
-Action, Kylo, return to Finalizer, etc.
-Poe’s interrogation.
-Rey’s home interior, making dinner (repurposed as breakfast), sitting out watching the evening (morning), finding BB-8 (sans ‘tomorrow you leave’). This extended introduction to Rey might justify using the Reydream here.
-The rescue, Finn’s journey to Niima, Hux and Kylo bicker.
-Rey arrives at Niima, Plutt’s offer.
-Finn arrives at Niima.

This restructure has many advantages - the passage of time is very clear in day and night cycles, Rey gets enough of an introduction to perhaps use the Reydream, and Rey finding BB-8 is short enough that Finn could reasonably have postponed his trip to Reconditioning, vs the original where an entire day goes by in the meantime.

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#1264472
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I do have the Battlefront SFX, and I’ll be sure to make use of them in the final edit. 😃

In other news, the new computer is up and running, which means I can begin the authoritative version of this weird collection of ideas.

…but that doesn’t mean I can’t have new ones. Sparked by the discussions in the Sequel Radical Redux Ideas, here’s a concept for a more desolate and alien Jakku:






For Comparison:

The idea is that the sun is quite blue, turning the light more and more blue as the sun reaches its zenith.

With this single LUT I am able to bleach the highlights while leaving low light situations in fairly good color: