Part of this complete breakfast.
So how would y’all feel if in '77 this happened:
A DOCTRINE OF FEAR
LIGHT OF THE KILLING MOON
…or anything to do with the Death Star, really, since it feels like the main character of the story.
It sounds like we have similar ideas for what the scene needs, maybe just different ways of approaching the issue.
The biggest problem when it comes to editing will be the music, I imagine, since my idea switches the locations of the airy Rey Force moment and the dramatic Luke illusion reveal.
I mean, it would be entirely different and not open to useful speculation. Would it use Hamill, Fisher, and Ford playing their characters just a few years older? Would it recast for a plot taking place hundreds of years in the future? Who knows?
Ha! I knew it.
I had the same idea you did about someone else helping Rey lift the rocks, except I wanted Leia to lift them. I think that could be a much better option. It would set up Leia training Rey in TROS, to make these movies seem more connected. It would show that although Rey has plenty of raw strength, as demonstrated in the rest of the movie, she still needs to learn to concentrate. And it would avoid deifing Luke’s character by having someone who hasn’t shown much Force sensitivity before performing such an enormous task.
That would be good, except that there’s really no footage that can be made to indicate this.
This is what makes me think that they might have originally intended for Luke to be involved - her look of surprise.
Yeah, any issues with the power of Rey are secondary to the larger issue of her place in the story, which I think in TLJ becomes a bit usurped by Luke.
Here’s my question though, I also have an issue with that scene in the movie, but how is your change fixing that? Not saying it doesn’t I’d just be curious to hear your thought process.
I’d like to hear the specifics of your issue with it.
As for my thought process, as I said above, her powers are well established and clearly equal to Kylo’s according to the saber breaking scene. It may seem a bit paradoxical to cure the issue of Luke’s limelight stealing sacrifice with even more evidence of his awesomeness, but the important thing is not the miraculous acts but how they relate to the characters. Luke knows that the First Order will see his power and glory on full display with his illusion. He must also know that if he helps Rey save the Resistance through the lifting of the rocks, she will get the glory and legend for this act though he had a hand in it. I see it as a final gift to Rey, a vindication of her belief in the legend of the Jedi which he passes on to her in this moment. Luke may feel that he is undeserving of his legend, yet in the end he faces evil regardless. He sees the value in such an act, and now Rey has the opportunity to feel what he feels; generating a legend greater than her own acts to become a spark of hope.
Yeah, any issues with the power of Rey are secondary to the larger issue of her place in the story, which I think in TLJ becomes a bit usurped by Luke and he steals the show. It seems a bit weird to imply a collaboration between them in this act of levitation since this might serve to add to that ‘Luke is awesome’ narrative, but Rey has proven her power many times before this point.
Reviving this thread to add a few ideas:
Luke and Yoda
Though the Luke and Yoda scene has been improved by a later placement in the film (Hal and Poppa), in viewing the film holistically I think there’s a good argument for removing it completely. The scene acts as a way to show Luke’s change of heart regarding the Jedi, but in practical terms it consists of Luke’s old master ordering him to take care of Rey. It also feels weirdly and hopefully conclusive, a feeling in opposition with all potential scenes around it. Without this scene, Rey is retained as the primary force for bringing Luke back to the fight. It can be assumed that Luke has returned to protect his friends in their time of need, much more in keeping with his character than returning due to being admonished by a ghost.
Rey lifts Rocks
The entire sequence of Luke facing Kylo intercut with Rey lifting rocks feels like a missed opportunity. There are several issues, notably the arbitrariness of Luke’s death and his lack of a final contact with Rey. Both issues could be resolved if his voice called out to Rey as she lifts the rocks, clearly making him present at both her location and with Kylo.
Here’s how I might go about recutting this.
Kylo and Luke fight.
‘When I kill you, I will have killed the last Jedi!’
‘Amazing. Every word of what you just said, was wrong. The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi.’
Luke deactivates his saber.
Kylo runs at Luke, slices him in half.
Luke is revealed to be an illusion, meditating on his island.
Poe and Finn look on as the rocks are lifted.
Closeup of Luke facing Kylo. Luke says something to the effect of ‘The thousand generations live in you now’…he disappears from Kylo’s presence…‘Rey’
Cut to Rey as she lifts the rocks, surprise on her face.
Luke collapses on the island.
Reyunion and Fin.
I almost commented on the feminine aspect of purple, and how it seemed almost ‘pink ranger’ typical and for that reason to be avoided, but maybe that’s just me.
It’s very cool!
One thing I wonder though, since Rey’s saber is yellow at the end, whether it might be more fitting to have Leia’s be yellow as well. It would be an illustration of Rey carrying on Leia’s legacy even if we lose the ‘Rey Skywalker’ moment, and actually might be more powerful as just the color callback than anything she could say.
The problem with Mustafar is that it’s not really a scene. It’s just ‘Kylo goes to a place and finds a thing he was already looking for’. For it to earn a place, something has to happen that changes a character or plot element, otherwise it could just open with Kylo arriving at Exegol.
Maybe the crawl tells how Kylo is trying to make good on his promise to end the Jedi and the Sith, and this has brought him to Mustafar to wipe out Sith cultists. When he finishes killing them, the ‘Find me’ can lead him to the wayfinder.
This would at least help give the scene some element of interest as Kylo may not have realized the wayfinder was here.
Well it’s not as bad as the original version, so +1.
‘Palpatine sort of forgot about Rey’
caressed the prosthetic fish person
Yeah no reason to apologize! It’s great work.
I think there is some value in giving Rey these darkside abilities, since Palpatine or not she is struggling with some dark emotions in TROS. The lightning especially feels very right for Rey, and I like it even more if it is unconnected with her heritage because it feels organic to her struggle with Kylo.
Not quite sure how you spotted that Nev.
You have a much keener eye than I.
I tried a frame by frame on the computer and couldn’t see it.
Did so on the bluray and easily saw it.
NEVER would have seen that if you didn’t bring it up though.
Did you watch the whole show in slow-mo or something?!?!? 😄
Anyway, I’m good with it.
I’ll never see it again.
Good catch Nev.
And thanks again for the edit Poppa!
This issue would crop up all the time on my edit due to time-stretching, so I’ve become almost hypersensitive to it 😉
I’ve detected an error in V3 - it’s during the siege cannon run right after Finn yells ‘Rose’ and there is the shot of the Resistance officers. There is a single frame of Leia before cutting back to Finn.
The collection grows
JEDIT: The Archives were Incomplete
Here’s to hoping!
Since it was Snoke who turned Kylo evil (presumably through voices in his head) and since Sheev says that he’s been every voice in Kylo’s head, I assumed that they were trying to have Sheev be responsible for turning Kylo. Whether or not Sheev is directly controlling Snoke or in spiritual possession of an otherwise lifeless meat puppet, the point is that Sheev is Snoke in every way that matters.