darklordoftech said:
How everything was linked to ancient aliens, from hyperdrives to black hole clusters to planetary biomes.
I liked the idea of the celestials. But I guess it would get old quick.
RicOlie_2 said:
You know, that doesn't seem as funny with Obi-Wan referring to himself in the third person. Perhaps he could start using "I" after he dies?
Was just going to say that. The joke should die with him, if not earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMjFUmowQ0
For an entire internet generation (1 week), people have experienced The Force Awakens the only way it's been possible...
Bingowings said:
ranger613 said:
... Not the Pt we have now that are not only bad movies that stain the OT but ruin the plot as well (ep 5's reveal moment shock is gone, etc),...There are people around these here parts who call that crazy talk... or maybe it's only when I say it... hiding under in the cupboard under the sink.
My view is there are lots of fans for who the PT is their entry point to the saga and while I think they are poopy-poop-poop I can understand why other people may incorrectly disagree with me.
So here's my thoughts.
Keep the big history making events the same but put them in the background (have the Jedi, the Separatists, the politics as background details) and create a new trilogy of films set the same time as the prequels that plop and make them not plop.
There is a whole lot of stuff happening in the background of (dare I say it?) Guardians of the Galaxy that we don't get to see much if at all. It doesn't distract us from an interesting group of characters, the fate of which is not predetermined or already made better in our own imaginations after years of thinking about Ben's memories of the Old Republic (or the Odd Republic if you watch the Ploppy Trilogy)
That's what I would like from the spin-offs. A spin off trilogy which acts as an alternative PT for those who want one but doesn't decanonise the original plop.
Spin-off Part 1: (Occurs between AOTC and ROTS). Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker is wounded in a distant battle and places himself in hibernation to survive, telepathically guiding a young scrap dealer and her scavenger crew to pilot his cruiser through enemy territory to reach the safety of the Republic.
Spin-off Part 2: (Occurs during the events of ROTS). The scrap dealer discovers affinity for the Force, perhaps as a side effect of her previous telepathic link with Skywalker. She joins the Republic as a pilot, and goes into battle just in time for Order 66. She saves her Jedi commander from the clones, but is without her ship, her old crew, and thinking Anakin is dead, she loses her abilities with the Force.
Spin-off Part 3: (Occurs after ROTS). Our hero and her wounded Jedi commander search for any remaining Jedi or their offspring, and the location of one of the Skywalker twins is discovered. In order to protect this secret, the remaining Jedi and a Separatist remnant join forces, and our hero faces the murderer of Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, in an aerial battle across the surface of an alien sun.
You're welcome.
Bingowings said:
Tobar said:
Bingowings said:
Having Anakin raised on the same planet as Luke makes practically no sense either.
Ben Kenobi said:
That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.
Just because Owen thought he should stay on Tatooine doesn't follow that where Anakin is from.
If some Kung Fu Guru types took a child from Washington and everything began to go pear-shaped it would make sense for the whole family to move to New Mexico and suggest the kid stay with them and keep away from the dojo.
This is by far the most reasonable series of events that could have happened to the Lars family. The new Empire has created a refugee crisis by seizing the more fertile agricultural worlds for military use, leaving Owen and Beru to find any interstellar rock they can cling to. They offer Anakin the choice to join them in finding a new home, but he refuses and they depart. Anakin never knows where they end up, and isn't particularly interested in finding out.
Oh, and Episode 7 looks promising, I guess. ;)
obikal said:
NeverarGreat said:
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Hmm, I agree that Yoda sees suffering as a 'potentially' necessary sacrifice, for sure. But what reasoning would there be for allowing Sidious to become an Emperor?
If Yoda just takes a non-violent stand against Sidious, that would be totally acceptable and quite cool to see. I guess it's just a fine line between passivity and hypocrisy.
I don't see Yoda being anywhere near able to defeat the Emperor in the OT. Extrapolating back to the PT era, I don't think that Yoda would be powerful enough to oppose the Emperor. After all, he presumably trained Luke simply to confront and defeat Vader. He may have had no idea that Luke would be brought before the Emperor. I imagine a scenario where Luke confronts Vader and defeats him, and upon taking the title of Jedi Knight, trains Leia to be a Jedi. Together they may just have the wherewithal to defeat the Emperor. Or Luke could turn Vader, but Obi-wan doesn't see this as an option.
I just had an idea, if Yoda is still involved in the Prequels. He would literally use the Force for knowledge and defense, alerting the galaxy to the plans and aspirations of this dangerous Chancellor. However, instead of backing down and becoming embroiled in scandal, Palpatine moves more quickly and unilaterally to stifle the Jedi and form the Empire, where it otherwise may have taken decades. Because of this failure, Yoda retreats in shame for 20 years to Dagobah.
darklordoftech said:
NeverarGreat said:
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Did you get a similar impression of The Emperor?
Now there's an interesting idea - use the moral ambiguity of the Jedi Masters as one of the Emperor's justifications for starting a war for the 'greater good' of the galaxy. Back when I first went to see ROTS Palpy seemed to be doing just this, sowing the seeds of distrust in Anakin's mind about the questionable motives of the Jedi council. But it didn't really go anywhere.
You charming devil.
Nobody quote the above please.
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
I notice that the third one is unopened. Guess it's not that important.
DuracellEnergizer said:
NeverarGreat said:
It crackles with barely contained energy, it's rough and dangerous, it's everything an eviscerating killing device should be.
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Ah, I suppose your father was slaughtered by a three bladed lightsaber.
luckydube56 said:
The more I watch this trailer:
1. The more I like the lightsaber. Especially the way in which the wielder presented arms....its bad ass.
2. The less I care about the soccer ball droid.
If for no other reason, the lightsaber is cool because it isn't a prequel-era glowstick. It crackles with barely contained energy, it's rough and dangerous, it's everything an eviscerating killing device should be.
unamochilla2 said:
I wonder if that soccer ball droid is going to become the "new" sidekick of the new characters kind of like R2 was for the OT characters (and PT characters, I guess). Or, could it simply be a short lived gag moment like Chewbecca scaring away the mouse droid on the Death Star?
I highly doubt that it will be a throwaway gag, as this trailer shows most major players in the movie. I would bet money that this is Daisy Ridley's droid, on some sort of mission at the station.
ray_afraid said:
I hated the trailer on first watch except for a few shots. After watching two more times, my feelings have kinda reversed.. kinda.
-I hate that soccer ball droid. How's his R2 head staying on? Looks so silly. I just can't understand people saying it looks like it was plucked out of Star Wars (ANH).
-I hate the stupid cross lightsabre and it's fiery blades.
-I Hate that the dialog (and title) are all about the force and light/dark side. The Jedi stuff is the least interesting thing about Star Wars to me.There are some things I like though.
I'm hoping the full trailer will have more of a 'Star Wars' feel and less of a 'any new blockbuster' vibe.
This is why it's so difficult for JJ to please anybody with this movie. I think that if this was the first Star Wars movie to be made since 1983, we would still be very interested in the light/dark sides of the Force. The prequels and EU have done it to death though, it will be very hard to tread new ground here.
dan76 said:
I thought it was pretty good. This is the first thing to come along since 1983 that actually shows promise.
Its going to be a modern film and will have that modern look no matter who is making it (once it's on bluray just desaturate the colour). It will never seamlessly fit in with the OT visually, but it might in terms of pacing, characters etc.
I loved the shot if the x-wings, the falcon was a bit flashy, but it will be cool to see these old ships do things they never could before.
I'm guessing the weird lightsaber hilt will have some special purpose for fighting, so I'll hold off shitting on it for now.
Great that they didn't reveal the OT characters, it's a teaser. I want more.
Yeah, I was just thinking about it, and since the crossguard elements didn't activate until after the main blade, and since they seemed to act more like flames than mini-blades, perhaps the crossguard is simply some sort of plasma 'vent' that can be activated at will, and won't be used in combat except to surprise an enemy.
I'll break this down shot by shot.
Boyega in the desert - it's strange that people would say that this shot isn't Star War-sy, as it's a similar reveal to the trooper standing into frame in the desert of Tatooine (look sir, droids!) I like this shot, it gives me something real to latch onto immediately.
The soccerball droid - It's similar enough to the other droids we've seen in Star Wars movies to be familiar, and has a fun method of locomotion. Not much to say really, it looks good as long as it avoids Jar Jar comedy routines.
Troopers in the carrier - I'm not a fan of shakycam, but if it's used sparingly I can live with it. These shots look the most like a modern movie, but really I'm just glad we get actual people into the trooper suits this time.
Daisy Ridley (?) on the speeder - Looks like a lot of shots from The Phantom Menace, such as Maul on his speeder. That's not a bad thing, actually. I have no complaints with this shot.
Rebel pilot in cockpit - Evocative of the speeders on Hoth, classic and straightforward.
X-Wings over water - A nice effect that I don't think has been done in a Star Wars movie.
Robed guy in forest - As much as I dislike the crossguard elements of the lightsaber, upon rewatching it I really liked how the blade crackled with energy. It's a welcome break from the sterile glowsticks of the prequels, and seems like an intentional callback to the flickering sabers of the original
Millennium Falcon - One of the most exciting and worrying shots in the trailer. I hope that it ends up looking more realistic later, but I like how JJ is not afraid of moving the camera. It's exciting, and I'll bet it's much more so in the theater. The original trench run was intended to be similar to a roller coaster ride in the 70s, and this has the same feel.
Overall, I'm optimistic. Watching it the first time was very jarring, seeing Star Wars in such frenetic movement, but upon rewatching I'm definitely feeling this more.
I'm going to post this here in the spoiler thread just in case.
Has anyone considered the possibility that a third party has gained control of the galaxy in the power vacuum left by the weakened Empire and the small rebellion? In the leaked images, the old Rebel bases are being used once again. This would make no sense if the Empire was still battling the rebellion, but if it was an entirely new threat, the Imperial remnant could have made an alliance with the rebellion, making these bases useful again.
Here it is corrected to the GOUT, though I have no idea how accurate the GOUT is:
This is clearly from a deleted scene where Luke imagines what Yoda could look like.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Apotheosis through deicide? How cromulent.
Had to look up 'cromulent'. Marvelous word. Marvelous.
It does look quite red shifted, but it's quite amenable to correction to the tech photos:
SilverWook said:
http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2014/11/report-force-awakens-trailer-shown-at.html
I think next week is going to get a little crazy.
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-debut/
You can say that again.
I thought that it wouldn't come out until December at earliest.
I recall the old Star Wars Visual Dictionary having a description of Vader and his past which was very different than the prequels, essentially describing him as some maligned and half forgotten holdover from the Imperial past, who nevertheless becomes useful to Tarkin. If I remember correctly Tarkin is the one who takes Vader under his wing, not the Emperor.