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My attempt:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176821

My idea of the timescales of ESB hinges on the assumption that Bespin is a planet in the Hoth system:

My lord, the fleet has moved out
of light-speed. Com-Scan has
detected an energy field protecting
an area around the sixth planet of
the Hoth system. The field is
strong enough to deflect any
bombardment.

The word ‘system’ in Star Wars can refer to either a planet or an entire solar system. So if this is the case, Bespin wouldn’t be more than a few AU’s away from the Ice Planet of Hoth. Presumably Bespin is closer to the star, past a particularly dense asteroid belt which separates it from the unnamed Ice Planet. It is highly unrealistic for Bespin to be located in another star system entirely, since star systems are usually light years apart. This would require Luke to train on Dagobah for over a year, regardless of the time dilation effects on board the Falcon. Alternatively, if the Falcon traveled at the speed of light across only the Hoth the system, it would probably take less than an hour to make the trip. At even 1/4 the speed of light, this trip wouldn’t need to take more than a day or two.

Of course, this fast travel time implies that either Luke’s training was very brief, or that the Falcon couldn’t accelerate to even a significant fraction of the speed of light. I’d bet on the latter, since the ships in the Star Wars universe act more like they are in an atmosphere than in a vacuum, and thus don’t act as if under constant acceleration with constant thrust. For the purposes of the story, ships have ‘full throttle’ which is their top speed, and even at full throttle the Falcon takes quite a while to make a journey across the Hoth system.

There are several other reasons why the story wouldn’t take months: Vader couldn’t realistically continue a search for that long with so many valuable Imperial resources, rebel forces most likely wouldn’t wait around at the rendezvous point for weeks on end, and it would be highly irresponsible of Luke to abandon his troops for such an extended period of time.

TL;DR: ESB takes place over several weeks at the most, more likely no more than two weeks.

Totally serious title idea: Hosnian Shot Last

DuracellEnergizer said:

"“Luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter.”

Best incorporation of Gnostic philosophy in SW EVER.

This is why nobody’s personal cannon can ever justifiably exclude ESB. Yoda IS the Force.

If you’re looking for just general TFA art that could work as a cover, I created this yesterday:

There’s another that I made with a two color scheme.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Episode-7-Fan-Posters-Thread/id/15196#957885

Earl said:

On a less serious note, Youtube seems to continue changing their layout without warning as usual

“What did you just say? About Mein Kampf?”

Darth Id said:

Tyrphanax said:

Inconsistency is the name of the game for their edits.

I think the official title is actually, “Cringeworthy Revisionist Aimless Pointless Obscurantist Laughable Amateurism.”

FTFY, because acronyms.

^^ Thank you for making my point for me with the official TFA poster. Incidentally I happen to like the Yoda-less ESB poster more than the one with Yoda, but that’s mostly because I like the coloration of that one more.

But I should clarify my original statement. I simply think that a poster is stronger when it features the actual leads in the film or visually illustrates broad themes, rather than specifically including characters given as an emotional reward to the audience at the end of the film. The same thing applies, perhaps to a lesser extent, to the ROTS poster. I feel that it would be stronger without the giant mask in the background. It doesn’t matter if you know Vader, or Luke, will make an appearance or not.

TV’s Frink said:

Why would he be on the poster? It’s not like he was in the movie or had anything to do with it OH WAIT HE WAS AND HE DID.

I have this poster on my wall, and it’s one of my favorites. But you know who’s conspicuously absent? Yoda. The makers of this film knew even then that he was one of the best things about this movie, so they wanted to preserve his reveal as much as possible, to the extent of holding back on putting his image on promotional materials. Granted, they later put his face on ROTJ’s VHS cover, but this was years after the sequel came out. My point is that much of the interest for this movie is the question of what Luke looks like after all these years, and so to see him on the poster lessens the impact of seeing him at the end of the film.

SilverWook said:

Old school visual FX are back, baby!
http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/blog/sci-fi-legend-finds-outer-space-in-a-fish-tank

I was looking forward to this movie based on the fact that it was an introspective sci fi movie starring Mark Strong (which makes it sound like a spiritual prequel to Sunshine, one of my favorite movies) but knowing that it also uses practical effects to such an extent brings that to a new level.

I wonder if it wasn’t just that the effects people had accidentally turned some layers off for the film and DVD and turned them back on for the Blu-ray. I wouldn’t put it past them.

Is anyone else bothered by the idea that Han and Chewie would just stand idly by and take time out of their day to question Maz about a lightsaber while they know that the First Order is about to occupy the castle?

I feel like a quick cutaway to Kylo ordering his agent to sabotage escaping ships and later a single explosion wouldn’t be that much more difficult. I bet the guys at Auralnauts could provide the voice for this line (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFicXlvJBdo) and I could do the VFX for the shots if nobody else is interested.

Here’s the previous rough mockup in case anyone missed it: https://vimeo.com/170422931 Password: Kylo

^ Same here, although Han looks oddly dopey and they shouldn’t put Luke on any posters for this movie.

In the prequels, I’d edit the end of ROTS so that Padme doesn’t die.

In the originals, my one change must be two, the first of which is to have the first Death Star only partially destroyed. The second change is of course to the crawl of ROTJ to indicate that the Empire is repairing the First Death Star instead of building another one.

IsanRido said:

Yes, it has gotten worse. The extra cartoon aliens, the Blu’s DNR, “pretty hot”, etc. If I’m not mistaken, the colours are as messed up as the OT, too.

As for Yoda, however different Yoda looked from the OT, the special effect was still well executed. He was there with Samuel and the others, and the mannerisms were top notch.

The colors of the blu-ray are very strange, with many parts of the film having a purple tint and others (especially the Tatooine scenes) being brown and desaturated, to the point that some gradients may be gone.

And yes, CPY was a decent effect, so I’m torn on how I feel about that.

It will be interesting to look back on our first impressions of TFA in a decade.

I liked the podrace, though it could stand to be shortened. Those extra shots are so baffling, because they clearly don’t fit in with most of the rest of the footage. The CG in those shots is worse than in the rest of the film. Even so, it’s one of the more insidious changes to a Star Wars movie since at least most people are aware that the OT was changed. Very few people even realize that TPM has gotten worse with each iteration (with the possible exception of Creepy Puppet Yoda).

Here’s the cutaway I’m thinking of when the agent reports BB-8 at Maz’s Castle:

https://vimeo.com/170422931

Password: Kylo

I really wish I had my copy of TFA to examine, but alas, I have lent it to my parents.

Anyway, it makes very little sense for Han and Chewie to gaze up at a Star Destroyer with approaching fighters and not at least attempt to get to the Falcon. Even my previous suggestion of just showing the star destroyer/destroyer behind an exploding ship makes no sense from this perspective.

I propose a more radical series of events. When our heroes first arrive at Maz’s castle, the First Order spy could report to Kylo Ren, and then we cut to an unused shot of him (perhaps the one cut where he’s on the Star Destroyer viewing the superlaser) and overlay some new dialogue where he orders the spy to plant a thermal detonator on the first ship scheduled to leave the castle. It would be better if Hux were to say this since he doesn’t care if BB-8 is destroyed, but Kylo has the advantage of a mask and a muffled voice. This provides some tension during the ensuing scenes. The exploding ship never has to be seen, just the sound of a ship taking off and its destruction during Finn’s entry onto the transport, causing him to turn around. Then the rest of the scenes can happen pretty much as structured.

I was being a bit flippant about those reviews, since although I do enjoy them, for me they’re intended to induce a state of cathartic dissatisfaction with the prequels instead of explaining how exactly the plot doesn’t work. I haven’t watched Episode 2 in its entirety in quite a while, but I don’t recall that they went into any depth about Dooku or Sypho-dias or Palpatine’s thought process for allowing the Republic to get the clones.

When I try to open certain threads, I get this error message:

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Right now it’s just for some threads. Others I can open without issue.

I’m pretty sure most people on this site have seen the Plinkett reviews, and while they’re great, they don’t really go much further than pointing out things that ‘don’t make no sense’.

Possessed said:

I don’t presume-

BUT YOU DO! REVEALED YOUR OPINION IS!

…

I don’t have anything to contribute.

JEDIT: Jealous Gods, from Poets of the Fall. It’s pretty good. Better than Twilight Theater anyway.

Well that’s disappointing. What a waste of Christopher Lee.