NeverarGreat

Jackpumpkinhead said:

This edit is shaping up to be the best one yet. SirRidley, you’ve done some great work! I know this edit is only to restructure the SKB shots. But I would love to see a version of this edit where Kylo wasn’t blatantly called out as Han’s son so early in the film. I feel it’s more powerful to be left at the end, just before the SKB fires.

Also, not to rock the boat, but I have to disagree with the comment made about “those beasts” I love it and am glad you are keeping it in.

Mostly agree with both points. I wouldn’t be sad if the Snoke lines about Han got cut, simply because I can’t imagine such a powerful entity caring about Han enough to learn his name. It just seems a little…beneath him, if that makes sense. However, I think it’s absolutely necessary that we know that Kylo is Han’s son at least by the interrogation scene.

But who here truly deserves the title of Poster Child of Posting Posters?

You couldn’t make it until December to make it a full decade necrobump?

Got this on my wall right now:

Also, I’m amazed that there don’t seem to be many broken image links here after 10 years.

Beautiful.

JEDIT: Here’s a faded 70’s version I made in Photoshop:

Immortality was the subject of the very first epic, so the fascination has been with us a long time.

My thoughts on the subject are that nobody could physically live forever because of the heat death of the universe, and in a larger sense, if someone began living, they would naturally need to end. But nobody really begins to live, since we are all part of the environment, animated bits of matter if you will. If we are things, then things can only live until the thing in question breaks down. But I don’t think we are things. These bodies give our lives meaning, a meaning that is only available through experience, but they are not who we really are. We are nothing. We came from nothing, we will return to nothing, no thing will survive. And this is good. Nothingness is existence, the self, that which is, life itself. All else is false, an illusion we experience to know what it means to die, and to know how such death is ultimately false.

DuracellEnergizer said:

This is all Abrams’ fault.

I believe you meant to say ‘Obi-wan’.

It’s Obi-wan’s fault.

It’s always Obi-wan’s fault.

He’s holding you back.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

On a related note, this has been bumping around in my mind for a while now, and I just don’t like it. Trump is our first atheist President. Yeah, I know, he passes for Presbyterian–a lot of us have to pass for something for various reasons, and most of us are way more convincing than he is. But leaving that aside for a moment, what “bad reputation” do atheists have in the larger culture? Let’s see: amoral, untrustworthy sociopaths who think they’re inherently superior to everyone else. Uh-oh. Oh yeah, and at least during the Cold War they were also Russian agents. Igh.

So I’m really, really hoping, in spite of his ongoing collapse in popular support, that when Trump eventually slouches off stage left, that whatever mysterious hypnotic “I’m one of you” hold he has on white Christians remains firmly in place. Because otherwise they’ll say: “That’s what happens when you put an atheist in charge,” and we’re back to the days of debating if atheists can actually be Americans. That’s all assuming that the evangelical support isn’t due to some speed-the-apocalypse-by-supporting-the-antichrist theory, but I’ve been assured by people who actually travel in evangelical circles that this is not the case. And I checked with multiple people, because I didn’t believe their assurances the first few times 😉

I’m with you there, except you’re forgetting Obama.

Wikipedia (yes, I know, thank you) says this:

Obama is a Protestant Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life.[77] He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that he “was not raised in a religious household”. He described his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as being detached from religion, yet “in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known.” He described his father as a “confirmed atheist” by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as “a man who saw religion as not particularly useful.” Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand “the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change.”[78]

In January 2008, Obama told Christianity Today: “I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.”[79] On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice. My family didn’t – frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead – being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me.”[80][81]

Obama met Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright in October 1987, and became a member of Trinity in 1992.[82] He resigned from Trinity in May 2008 during his first presidential campaign after some of Wright’s statements were criticized.[83] The Obama family has attended several Protestant churches since moving to Washington, D.C., in 2009, including Shiloh Baptist Church and St. John’s Episcopal Church, as well as Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, but are not habitual church-goers.[84][85][86]

And here’s Trump:

Religion

The Trump family were originally Lutherans in Germany,[52] and his mother’s upbringing was Presbyterian in Scotland.[53] His parents married in a Manhattan Presbyterian church in 1936.[54] As a child, he attended Sunday School at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, and had his confirmation there.[55][55] In the 1970s, his family joined the Marble Collegiate Church (a New York City affiliate of the Reformed Church in America) in Manhattan.[56] The pastor at that church, Norman Vincent Peale, author of The Power of Positive Thinking and The Art of Living, ministered to Trump’s family and mentored him until Peale’s death in 1993.[57][56] Trump, who is Presbyterian,[58][59] has cited Peale and his works during interviews when asked about the role of religion in his personal life.[56]

After marrying his first wife Ivana in 1977 at Marble Collegiate Church, he attended that church until 2013.[60][55] In 2016, Trump visited Bethesda-by-the-Sea, an Episcopal church, for Christmas services.[61] Trump has said that he participates in Holy Communion. Beyond that, he has not asked God for forgiveness, stating: “I think if I do something wrong, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture.”[62]

Trump refers to his ghostwritten book The Art of the Deal, a bestseller following publication in 1987, as “my second favorite book of all time, after the Bible. Nothing beats the Bible.”[63][64] In a 2016 speech to Liberty University, he referred to “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians”, eliciting chuckles from the audience.[65] Despite this, The New York Times reported that Evangelical Christians nationwide thought “that his heart was in the right place, that his intentions for the country were pure”.[66]

Outside of his church affiliations, Trump has relationships with a number of Christian spiritual leaders, including Florida pastor Paula White, who has been described as his “closest spiritual confidant”.[67] In 2015, he asked for and received a blessing from Greek Orthodox priest Emmanuel Lemelson[68] and, in 2016, released a list of his religious advisers, including James Dobson, Jerry Falwell Jr., Ralph Reed and others.[69] Referring to his daughter Ivanka’s conversion to Judaism before her marriage to Jared Kushner, Trump said in 2015: “I have a Jewish daughter; and I am very honored by that […] it wasn’t in the plan but I am very glad it happened.”[70]

Now do I think that Obama is probably more on the agnostic side of the coin? Yes. But he definitively states that he is a Christian, and has explicitly said ‘I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.’ Although Obama is good at weaseling his way around a question and exaggerating when necessary, I do not doubt that he values the truth and wouldn’t simply lie.

Obviously Obama seems like He who is without sin himself next to Trump. There’s no doubt he values the truth. But I also don’t doubt the very good chance he’s lying about this I wouldn’t consider it weaseling either (this isn’t a lie he’s just made up in interviews, it’s a planned and consistent one). And I don’t blame him. If he didn’t self identify as a Christian (and make it sound like he really meant it), he would never have been president. I don’t think it’d be very hard for him to pretend (I’ve done it myself with certain members of my family), not all atheists are militant about their beliefs. I think he probably just tries to appreciate the good will towards man and community aspect, and doesn’t think too much about the whole God part.

Could I be wrong? Sure. But I’m probably not.

Like I said, he’s probably more agnostic than he’d ever admit. It’s terrible that in the US, you have to lie about your religion if you’re anything other than Christian or a branch of it. But Trump is the exception, isn’t he? Perhaps if the ‘horrible because he’s an atheist’ thing doesn’t stick, future presidents will have an easier time of it.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

On a related note, this has been bumping around in my mind for a while now, and I just don’t like it. Trump is our first atheist President. Yeah, I know, he passes for Presbyterian–a lot of us have to pass for something for various reasons, and most of us are way more convincing than he is. But leaving that aside for a moment, what “bad reputation” do atheists have in the larger culture? Let’s see: amoral, untrustworthy sociopaths who think they’re inherently superior to everyone else. Uh-oh. Oh yeah, and at least during the Cold War they were also Russian agents. Igh.

So I’m really, really hoping, in spite of his ongoing collapse in popular support, that when Trump eventually slouches off stage left, that whatever mysterious hypnotic “I’m one of you” hold he has on white Christians remains firmly in place. Because otherwise they’ll say: “That’s what happens when you put an atheist in charge,” and we’re back to the days of debating if atheists can actually be Americans. That’s all assuming that the evangelical support isn’t due to some speed-the-apocalypse-by-supporting-the-antichrist theory, but I’ve been assured by people who actually travel in evangelical circles that this is not the case. And I checked with multiple people, because I didn’t believe their assurances the first few times 😉

I’m with you there, except you’re forgetting Obama.

Obama is a Muslim.

YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE THIS FORUM GREAT AGAIN!
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE TROLLS, NOT JOIN THEM!

But yes, I hear that Trump has people in Hawaii looking into the ‘Muslim’ thing. Or was that the Birther thing? Ah, whatever.

Jeebus said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

On a related note, this has been bumping around in my mind for a while now, and I just don’t like it. Trump is our first atheist President. Yeah, I know, he passes for Presbyterian–a lot of us have to pass for something for various reasons, and most of us are way more convincing than he is. But leaving that aside for a moment, what “bad reputation” do atheists have in the larger culture? Let’s see: amoral, untrustworthy sociopaths who think they’re inherently superior to everyone else. Uh-oh. Oh yeah, and at least during the Cold War they were also Russian agents. Igh.

So I’m really, really hoping, in spite of his ongoing collapse in popular support, that when Trump eventually slouches off stage left, that whatever mysterious hypnotic “I’m one of you” hold he has on white Christians remains firmly in place. Because otherwise they’ll say: “That’s what happens when you put an atheist in charge,” and we’re back to the days of debating if atheists can actually be Americans. That’s all assuming that the evangelical support isn’t due to some speed-the-apocalypse-by-supporting-the-antichrist theory, but I’ve been assured by people who actually travel in evangelical circles that this is not the case. And I checked with multiple people, because I didn’t believe their assurances the first few times 😉

I’m with you there, except you’re forgetting Obama.

Wikipedia (yes, I know, thank you) says this:

Obama is a Protestant Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life.[77] He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that he “was not raised in a religious household”. He described his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as being detached from religion, yet “in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known.” He described his father as a “confirmed atheist” by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as “a man who saw religion as not particularly useful.” Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand “the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change.”[78]

In January 2008, Obama told Christianity Today: “I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.”[79] On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice. My family didn’t – frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead – being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me.”[80][81]

Obama met Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright in October 1987, and became a member of Trinity in 1992.[82] He resigned from Trinity in May 2008 during his first presidential campaign after some of Wright’s statements were criticized.[83] The Obama family has attended several Protestant churches since moving to Washington, D.C., in 2009, including Shiloh Baptist Church and St. John’s Episcopal Church, as well as Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, but are not habitual church-goers.[84][85][86]

And here’s Trump:

Religion

The Trump family were originally Lutherans in Germany,[52] and his mother’s upbringing was Presbyterian in Scotland.[53] His parents married in a Manhattan Presbyterian church in 1936.[54] As a child, he attended Sunday School at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, and had his confirmation there.[55][55] In the 1970s, his family joined the Marble Collegiate Church (a New York City affiliate of the Reformed Church in America) in Manhattan.[56] The pastor at that church, Norman Vincent Peale, author of The Power of Positive Thinking and The Art of Living, ministered to Trump’s family and mentored him until Peale’s death in 1993.[57][56] Trump, who is Presbyterian,[58][59] has cited Peale and his works during interviews when asked about the role of religion in his personal life.[56]

After marrying his first wife Ivana in 1977 at Marble Collegiate Church, he attended that church until 2013.[60][55] In 2016, Trump visited Bethesda-by-the-Sea, an Episcopal church, for Christmas services.[61] Trump has said that he participates in Holy Communion. Beyond that, he has not asked God for forgiveness, stating: “I think if I do something wrong, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture.”[62]

Trump refers to his ghostwritten book The Art of the Deal, a bestseller following publication in 1987, as “my second favorite book of all time, after the Bible. Nothing beats the Bible.”[63][64] In a 2016 speech to Liberty University, he referred to “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians”, eliciting chuckles from the audience.[65] Despite this, The New York Times reported that Evangelical Christians nationwide thought “that his heart was in the right place, that his intentions for the country were pure”.[66]

Outside of his church affiliations, Trump has relationships with a number of Christian spiritual leaders, including Florida pastor Paula White, who has been described as his “closest spiritual confidant”.[67] In 2015, he asked for and received a blessing from Greek Orthodox priest Emmanuel Lemelson[68] and, in 2016, released a list of his religious advisers, including James Dobson, Jerry Falwell Jr., Ralph Reed and others.[69] Referring to his daughter Ivanka’s conversion to Judaism before her marriage to Jared Kushner, Trump said in 2015: “I have a Jewish daughter; and I am very honored by that […] it wasn’t in the plan but I am very glad it happened.”[70]

yet even when he could lie to protect his political prospects he says that ‘he has not asked God for forgiveness’. It’s not exactly possible to be a Christian in that situation.

Why not?

According to Christian dogma, a person is inherently sinful, deserving eternal damnation. In this dogma, accepting the forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ is the only way to avoid this punishment. To become a Christian, a person must acknowledge that they are sinful, and accept that Jesus is the only way to absolve themselves of this sin. A person cannot ‘make things right’ as Trump says, because sin is unavoidable and only Jesus led a sinless life. In essence, a person becomes a Christian when they ask God for forgiveness for their sins. The person who hasn’t done that cannot call themselves a Christian, and I say this as someone who was confirmed in the Presbyterian Church (Trump’s church) as a teenager.

I am now quite non-religious (though not atheistic or agnostic, long story), but I know rather more than I’d care to know about this religion.

Sounds interesting. I’ll give it a watch. 😃

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

On a related note, this has been bumping around in my mind for a while now, and I just don’t like it. Trump is our first atheist President. Yeah, I know, he passes for Presbyterian–a lot of us have to pass for something for various reasons, and most of us are way more convincing than he is. But leaving that aside for a moment, what “bad reputation” do atheists have in the larger culture? Let’s see: amoral, untrustworthy sociopaths who think they’re inherently superior to everyone else. Uh-oh. Oh yeah, and at least during the Cold War they were also Russian agents. Igh.

So I’m really, really hoping, in spite of his ongoing collapse in popular support, that when Trump eventually slouches off stage left, that whatever mysterious hypnotic “I’m one of you” hold he has on white Christians remains firmly in place. Because otherwise they’ll say: “That’s what happens when you put an atheist in charge,” and we’re back to the days of debating if atheists can actually be Americans. That’s all assuming that the evangelical support isn’t due to some speed-the-apocalypse-by-supporting-the-antichrist theory, but I’ve been assured by people who actually travel in evangelical circles that this is not the case. And I checked with multiple people, because I didn’t believe their assurances the first few times 😉

I’m with you there, except you’re forgetting Obama.

Wikipedia (yes, I know, thank you) says this:

Obama is a Protestant Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life.[77] He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that he “was not raised in a religious household”. He described his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as being detached from religion, yet “in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known.” He described his father as a “confirmed atheist” by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as “a man who saw religion as not particularly useful.” Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand “the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change.”[78]

In January 2008, Obama told Christianity Today: “I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.”[79] On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice. My family didn’t – frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead – being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me.”[80][81]

Obama met Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright in October 1987, and became a member of Trinity in 1992.[82] He resigned from Trinity in May 2008 during his first presidential campaign after some of Wright’s statements were criticized.[83] The Obama family has attended several Protestant churches since moving to Washington, D.C., in 2009, including Shiloh Baptist Church and St. John’s Episcopal Church, as well as Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, but are not habitual church-goers.[84][85][86]

And here’s Trump:

Religion

The Trump family were originally Lutherans in Germany,[52] and his mother’s upbringing was Presbyterian in Scotland.[53] His parents married in a Manhattan Presbyterian church in 1936.[54] As a child, he attended Sunday School at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, and had his confirmation there.[55][55] In the 1970s, his family joined the Marble Collegiate Church (a New York City affiliate of the Reformed Church in America) in Manhattan.[56] The pastor at that church, Norman Vincent Peale, author of The Power of Positive Thinking and The Art of Living, ministered to Trump’s family and mentored him until Peale’s death in 1993.[57][56] Trump, who is Presbyterian,[58][59] has cited Peale and his works during interviews when asked about the role of religion in his personal life.[56]

After marrying his first wife Ivana in 1977 at Marble Collegiate Church, he attended that church until 2013.[60][55] In 2016, Trump visited Bethesda-by-the-Sea, an Episcopal church, for Christmas services.[61] Trump has said that he participates in Holy Communion. Beyond that, he has not asked God for forgiveness, stating: “I think if I do something wrong, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture.”[62]

Trump refers to his ghostwritten book The Art of the Deal, a bestseller following publication in 1987, as “my second favorite book of all time, after the Bible. Nothing beats the Bible.”[63][64] In a 2016 speech to Liberty University, he referred to “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians”, eliciting chuckles from the audience.[65] Despite this, The New York Times reported that Evangelical Christians nationwide thought “that his heart was in the right place, that his intentions for the country were pure”.[66]

Outside of his church affiliations, Trump has relationships with a number of Christian spiritual leaders, including Florida pastor Paula White, who has been described as his “closest spiritual confidant”.[67] In 2015, he asked for and received a blessing from Greek Orthodox priest Emmanuel Lemelson[68] and, in 2016, released a list of his religious advisers, including James Dobson, Jerry Falwell Jr., Ralph Reed and others.[69] Referring to his daughter Ivanka’s conversion to Judaism before her marriage to Jared Kushner, Trump said in 2015: “I have a Jewish daughter; and I am very honored by that […] it wasn’t in the plan but I am very glad it happened.”[70]

Now do I think that Obama is probably more on the agnostic side of the coin? Yes. But he definitively states that he is a Christian, and has explicitly said ‘I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.’ Although Obama is good at weaseling his way around a question and exaggerating when necessary, I do not doubt that he values the truth and wouldn’t simply lie.

Trump, on the other hand, lies without a second thought, yet even when he could lie to protect his political prospects he says that ‘he has not asked God for forgiveness’. It’s not exactly possible to be a Christian in that situation.

canofhumdingers said:

That’s a very cool painting. But what is going on with Vader’s arm? It looks like it’s coming out of his waist. And it’s the wrong (ESB style) glove. That I can forgive, but the angle/perspective on the arm itself is just bizarre. It’s kinda ruining the awesomeness of the picture for me cause that’s all my eye is drawn to once I noticed it. 😕

That bothered me as well. I think it is an illusion caused by the shadow of his cape.

Great! I’ll get to work on the second scene then 😃

https://mega.nz/#!2JsBhCzI!q5jWh078iTDwJ5byvncLPhmZ3rtrd2PRg8-j1Ilwerg

This is what I’m thinking about for the first R2 scene. Audio is temporary, and if people like it, my hope is that someone with a 5.1 surround setup can do more justice to the sound.

For the second R2 scene, it would only require lengthening the shot of R2 waking up slightly and adding the final clicks and flashes of the backup data drive.

What makes that image so good for me is that it’s an entirely new look at something that must have happened in the original continuity. Star Wars has many such ‘must have happened’ moments that are never shown, and that’s the key to unleashing people’s imagination, even 40 years after the fact.

Yep, to me the Finn line is the only thing that still needs work.

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

Just because it’s not what you or I might have expected after ROTJ doesn’t mean it’s a definitively wrong way to do it. As long as it makes sense in the story, and the story is well told, I don’t see any reason to be upset by it.

Story is the worst aspect of TFA (and there are many bad aspects), not because it did not turn out what I expected but because it is actually utter shit:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1056273

You seem to be under the impression that the main character in TFA was Luke. He was not. His story function was similar to that of the Death Star plans in ANH. The real main character is of course Rey, and we spend most of the movie with her. This is not something up for debate, and your criticism is entirely because it did not conform to what you wanted it to be.

FVDnz said:

NeverarGreat said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m sure I’ve brought this up before, and I think I’m probably the only one concerned about this at all, but here I go again.
Is there any feasible way to put Luke in his flight suit during the DS briefing in ANH?
If it could happen, it would make it seem as if a short time has passed since our heroes arrived on Yavin and the Rebels have had some time to analyze the plans and Luke has had some time to prepare. And it would look very cool.
But would this even be a thing someone could do? Is it even something to hope for someday? Is it a dumb idea that nobody likes?

If Disney can make a CGI Tarkin, they can absolutely make a CGI flight suit for Luke. Thought if it were a fan effort, it would probably be easier to film someone in a flight suit precisely mimicking Luke’s movements. There would be some tricky rotoscoping/color work since we see his clothes behind the hair of other characters, but it’s technically possible.

It also makes more sense to have him in the flight suit, as you suggest. But I doubt that it would be worth the effort for most people. I certainly never noticed how odd it was until you pointed it out.

Could something be done like say, Luke’s head being inserted on a body double perhaps?

That’s what I was suggesting, but to pull it off you’d need to place that double behind other elements in the frame, no easy feat.

ray_afraid said:

I’m sure I’ve brought this up before, and I think I’m probably the only one concerned about this at all, but here I go again.
Is there any feasible way to put Luke in his flight suit during the DS briefing in ANH?
If it could happen, it would make it seem as if a short time has passed since our heroes arrived on Yavin and the Rebels have had some time to analyze the plans and Luke has had some time to prepare. And it would look very cool.
But would this even be a thing someone could do? Is it even something to hope for someday? Is it a dumb idea that nobody likes?

If Disney can make a CGI Tarkin, they can absolutely make a CGI flight suit for Luke. Thought if it were a fan effort, it would probably be easier to film someone in a flight suit precisely mimicking Luke’s movements. There would be some tricky rotoscoping/color work since we see his clothes behind the hair of other characters, but it’s technically possible.

It also makes more sense to have him in the flight suit, as you suggest. But I doubt that it would be worth the effort for most people. I certainly never noticed how odd it was until you pointed it out.

Dreamaster said:

NeverarGreat said:

If you discover that they do indeed contain a consistent yellow tint, that would mean a bit more work for my project, which is why I want to be absolutely sure 😉

It’s interesting that this is stressing you a bit given that your current example shots already have a good amount of yellow in them and your philosophy towards editing REEL 5 and 6 was about consistency and not about theatrical purity (for which I am grateful, your preview vids are pure sex). 😃

That’s true (and thanks), but if the Tech really is that much more yellow than I thought, in what sense is it really a Technicolor recreation? I’m not too worried about it, it’s just that I want to consider everything before reel 2 is out the door.

DominicCobb said:

Trump is such a charged situation. For so many people he represents the epitome of everything wrong in the country, and not in the usual “we have a different ideology” way, but in a plainly moral way. And that’s because the guy is living, breathing scum, an example of a bigoted rich old white guy so perfect as to be a parody of itself. The truth is, the bigotry is right there for anyone looking. And for many that makes him completely unredeemable. And for others it doesn’t change a thing for them (and then of course there’s those who like it). Now obviously you have a right not to mind the man’s bigotry. But for many people they just cannot understand how anyone could brush that aside, especially when that bigotry and ignorance can directly affect them. I’m certainly one to preach tolerance, so I understand Trump supporters who overlooked the troubling aspects. But I also sympathize with those who could not. To dismiss those who are so passionately against him is just as bad to dismiss those who are rationally for him. Both have a perspective and a reason for what many on either side may consider to be their extreme opinions.

I would agree with this, except for classifying Trump as scum. I don’t think it’s helpful to vilify anyone, even terrible people like Hitler, since even villains think that they are basically good people.

I don’t think anyone views Trump as a particularly moral person. The fact that the Left constantly harps on this aspect misses the point that people voted for Trump despite his moral failings, and to some extent, because of them. Not because these people are racist, but because they saw in Trump someone who didn’t apologize, who said what he wanted. This is the exact opposite of the value-signaling that the Left engages in, and in the view of the Right, it weakens us all.

The fact that Trump can say things not based in fact and get away with it is far more powerful and important than if he were to say measured, reasonable things like Obama. The Left has claimed for decades that the Right is living in a world divorced from factual, scientific reality, and so people on the Right may often feel threatened when they attempt to profess their religious/economic/political beliefs. For them, our PC, scientifically minded culture is not liberating, it is oppressive. The Left has the academic and scientific resources to amass a great deal of evidence in favor of their beliefs, and the Right has mostly been relegated to talk radio and extreme Libertarian theory. How could there be a vigorous discourse in our society when the odds are so uneven? I do not mean to imply that the beliefs of the left are better than those of the Right, just that the Left tends toward academia.

To bring it back to Trump, his wanton disregard for facts has quickly leveled the playing field of discourse in this country, much like the A-bomb leveled Hiroshima. This is partly the fault of the Left for not recognizing that they were ever more communicating with themselves and leaving half of the country out, and partly the fault of the Right for insulating themselves in their own bubble. Communication is hard, and it’s far easier to retreat to echo chambers. I hope that we as a nation begin to recognize that we need to build a broad knowledge of facts instead of calling everything fake news, and recognizing that Trump’s solution is ultimately destructive. Merriam Webster says it best, when describing the word ‘trumpery’: worthless nonsense.

Sir Ridley said:

NeverarGreat said:

Well, there was the R2 map search that I wanted to offer up for consideration, so I’d probably get working on that as well.

Nice, what was the idea there? Don’t think I’ve heard of this.

From quite a few pages back:

JEDIT: I’ll just leave this idea here to come back to later, since there’s edit specific stuff to do right now:

As it is presented in the film, R2 has been in low power mode ‘since Luke went away’. BB-8 suggests that the map to Luke could be in R2’s backup data, and at the end of the film C-3PO says ‘you’ve found what?’, indicating that R2 has been searching his backup files in low power mode since Luke went away. The problem of course is that it is awfully convenient that he just happens to finish his search when everyone needs a morale boost at the end of the film. The idea that the presence of Rey unlocked the data also strains credulity, in my opinion.

So, my idea is to have R2 awaken some moments after BB-8 hits him but after the others are gone, using the beginning of the shot where his lights come on. He has overheard BB-8’s comment about his backup data, something he had not considered. He then starts to comb through his data, perhaps using a new sound and a flashing light on his body, much like the light of a hard drive reading data. Then, at the end of the film, he can complete his search and announce his discovery as usual.

What this edit would require is lengthening the first shot of R2 when BB8 pulls the cover off of him and deleting BB8, and placing the shot at the end of that scene with a blinking light animation to show that he’s now searching for the map. Then the first shot of the second scene may need slight lengthening to show the blinking light coming to a stop before his primary lights come on.

Is this using the film scanner you recently bought?

I scanned these frames several years ago on a scanner in the art department of a college, used specifically for photography and film scanning. I expect that if the colors were significantly inaccurate, it wouldn’t have been much good for those things. I only know that under close visual examination in the photo lab using a magnifying glass, the colors of the frames seemed to match fairly well what I got out of the scanner.

And certain frames seemed to look quite good to me, such as the Vader shot and R2. Sure, they may look more vibrant when projected in a theater, but to me the Death Star shots I have seen contain a lot of color variability. It seems doubtful that a calibration problem would faithfully represent the colors of one Death Star interior and not another. Granted, I only have a few hundred frames for reference, so you would be a better judge of consistency, especially in the first two reels. If you discover that they do indeed contain a consistent yellow tint, that would mean a bit more work for my project, which is why I want to be absolutely sure 😉

The bootleg seems to have a noticeable green shift, and a very slight yellow shift. I double checked in Photoshop by blurring the images so that I got the average color for the ‘black’ bars. Here are the images with a curves adjustment to return the bars to neutral gray:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/204846

This gets the shot closer to Mike’s preliminary grade, with the purple shadows becoming noticeable. This is one of the shots for which I have Tech frames, and the shot is definitely green on that source, to the point that Mike commented that it looked bad. It’s green to the eye, green when scanned.

Also, R2 is extremely blue in the bootleg compared to Mike’s photo.

From what I see, the Tech is notoriously inconsistent. For instance, all 4 of these scans were done at once:

The Death Star hallways are way too green and the skin tones too yellow in the first one, but they get much more blue with Vader.
The R2 shot has nice colors, but the final scene is notorious for being too red in the highlights, a problem that is much more noticeable without the luma correction.
The final shot is much more blue than the previous shots.

Also, notice that the audio strip which should be neutral gray has turned green in the hallway shot.

Bingowings said:

From a fan edit perspective it would mean making all Jedi saber blades blue in the PT and making Luke’s the first green one in ROTJ. If you wanted to add an obvious explanation you have to add it to the beginning of ROTJ The film could begin with Luke in his X wing with the familiar orange gas giant of Yavin in frame too. It could in the crawl explain that Luke completed his training with Yoda and that the Jedi master tasked him with one last test before his off screen death. As Luke meditates he hears Ben tell Luke he must face Vader again. Telepathically. When he comes to that point a tiny green crystal is retrieved. This would lead into Vader arriving at the new Death Star. An undoing of the victory of the first film. What the crystal does would be hinted at by the colour of Luke’s blade when he first ignites it and add some degree of sense to Vader’s marvelling at his son’s new weapon. As he had used the force to find the needle in the haystack of salvaged debris.

That’s a cool idea. Because it’s cool, I made a thing:

Guided by visions in the Force, Luke Skywalker has foreseen but one perilous way to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

As his friends gather on Tatooine to put his plan into motion, Luke travels to the wreckage of the Death Star, eye of the Emperor’s grand vision, in search of an ancient weapon.

Little does Luke know that the Emperor constructs another eye to complete a vision he has long foreseen, spelling certain doom for the Jedi, the Rebellion, and all freedom in the galaxy…