NeverarGreat

Hardcore Legend said:

One thing that bothers me is that a chunk of the map is all that is missing. It would be better, originally, if the map were complete but the part BB8 is before someone Erased the planet from the archives. Much like Kalas recently did on Rebels.

If I had a map of Maryland but a chunk in the middle were missing, it would be a lot easier to figure out where someone is.

I suppose the answer to that would be that even a small section of a galaxy is still hundreds if not thousands of stars. Also, even if the Resistance knew exactly where Luke was in the missing section, without the map and his route it would be far too dangerous to try and chart a course through what is essentially uncharted space. As Han said, ‘Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova, and that would end your trip real quick’.

Now a bigger question is whether the First Order had the full charted map, or if this was a section mysteriously kept blank by the Empire. Perhaps they just never got around to charting it? The questions compound.

SilverWook said:

Was Dilbert ever funny? I only saw the cartoon version.

Occasionally, it was very funny, in a sort of Nihilist Memes way. But since Scott has apparently drunk his own cynical Kool-aid, I don’t think that he’s even trying to be funny - Dilbert’s philosophy does in fact mirror the cynicism of Scott. So it’s just not funny anymore, at least for me.

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t have an answer because I don’t follow international politics or foreign policy as close as I should. But I think doing nothing would be the wrong move, so I can’t kill Trump too much over this.

Also, apparently Scott Adams is a Syrian chemical weapons truther.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/159264981001/the-syrian-gas-attack-persuasion

I have followed his blog for years. It used to be cool, mostly stuff about city design and gadgets. Then he boarded the Trump train and the comments section went from nerdy engineer people to ‘Liberal Tear Drinkers’ from the 7th level of Hell. I still read that blog when I think my blood pressure isn’t quite high enough.

Scott Adams is the sort of person who is right about just enough stuff to make his philosophy sound monstrously wrong to my ears, in the way that a minor chord differs from a major one by only a single note.

While we’re at it…

This

and this

and this

…which are worse than the Wookiees to me because they’re not split second effects.

JEDIT: I just noticed that R2’s optical block is askew on that model. W the actual F.

The only video of Snap talking in this scene is before the Starkiller is projected, so I wouldn’t know how to incorporate that. And I actually slowed Snap’s dialogue down a bit, but it still seems fast.

I’ll see what I can do to improve it. The issue, like you say, is that we have an idea of how the scene should play, and we’re conditioned to accept the lack of any mention of the Republic even though it should be addressed during this scene.

JEDIT:
Here is an updated scene with further slowed Snap speech and only the single reaction shot:

https://mega.nz/#!yctFSDhS!dqhRxznCFMjVburVoXxlrZ8qu7XnEELPCU7uonr9zfU

Voice Only:

https://mega.nz/#!3AdDnaJK!wCRH1IBlsX3EUIyn0Plvyz4IiIi4aAy9ixAFTpOjwac

Earlier in the thread there was discussion about recording some dialogue concerning the Republic in the briefing scene, but I managed to pull together Snap’s dialogue from the deleted scenes:

https://mega.nz/#!eQMnQKQT!uOsHaLgMhedn5yoVDB-QUIcBDPU1qXQsu2L5fil89rA

Audio effects only:

https://mega.nz/#!6McC3TjQ!DguCEiOFuZnVC8XBk9NBqnWOG3t-ppwAl89X0A6w8oA

The nice thing about this edit is that the length of the scene is unchanged.
What does everyone think?

That would be extremely difficult, since there are two scenes where actors are immersed in holograms that would need to be changed. There’s also the bigger problem of just what the First Order is looking for, since it’s implied that they already have the large map from the records of the Empire (which is where R2 originally got the map according to the writers). So the First Order would be searching for a map that they already have, a movie-killing mistake. And in this edit, since the First Order is apparently unconcerned with destroying the Resistance to eliminate BB8, their quest to find Luke would be dropped entirely for a ‘Destroy the Republic’ plan instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_hGITmNuo

Apparently Mark Hamill was the voice of Han. Insanity.

Thanks, I’ve had a lot of practice 😛

Here’s what I was able to come up with using the Blu-ray screencap you provided.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/205750

This was using only a curves and a channel mixer adjustment in Photoshop. I think most of the issue is in the luminosity. The Blu-ray is very flat and dark, so I almost always need to boost the midtones and especially the highlights while leaving the shadows roughly where they are.
Another thing I’ve noticed with these Tarkin shots, and many skin tones in this film, is that they are too dark even in comparison to the rest of the dark frame. A simple way to correct this with just a channel mixer is to boost the reds and then put some of the green and blue into the red channel, thus increasing its luminosity.

doubleofive said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Someone should interview as many of the original model makers as they can and write a book. Maybe with a week-by-week breakdown of the history and construction of this model as I swear no two pictures before filming have the model in the same state.

There a project for this…

Is this still around?

What a strange site.

If R2 had received a transmission at the end of the movie, I’d expect that would be from Luke detailing the location of the Last Jedi Temple and his route. In other words, R2 would have received the small piece of the map that BB8 has. That would mean that BB8 would have had the larger map, which would have showed the entire galaxy except for the piece that Luke would have still had to travel when he gave the map to Lor San Tekka.

Of course, that would mean that nobody would have been able to assemble a full map until the transmission, making the scramble by the Resistance and the First Order rather silly in retrospect.

That Heritage Auctions site is great.

I’ve color adjusted several of the posters I’ve found:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/205727
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/205728
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/205729
Also, somebody needs to make an episode 1 cover with this:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Only Bowie could make this hairstyle look good. Everyone else would look like something the cat spat up.

Exhibit A:

77FN said:

Thread resurrection!

Was taking a casual cyber-wander over at ‘That Other Place’, minding my own business, when I noticed a guy mentioning he had a recording of the ITV broadcast of Star Wars.

Was wondering if anybody here is a member of Force.net, and could perhaps ask him if this is indeed a recording of the original ITV premiere? If so I’m sure there’s folk here that would love to offer to capture it.

Before I post the image grab of his post though… how on earth do you post images here? Tried searching for an FAQ but unhelpfully there isn’t one. It’s the simple things that always task me 😉

This may be of use.
In short, go exclamation point, then brackets enclosing whatever text you want to tag your image, then parentheses with the url of the image, all without spaces between the characters.

! [] ()

Hyperlinking works the same way, just without the exclamation point.

MalàStrana said:

Yep I agree, this is exactly what I meant 😃 And with the removal of 3PO awkward line from restructured v1 (“I don’t think R2 has the rest of the map”) it could work better now.

Heh, I didn’t realize it had been cut. Ah well, I’m glad it will work out 😃

MalàStrana said:

I don’t think it really fixes this issue, but it looks less problematic that way.

Are you referring to the confusion over how R2 got the map in the first place? Because I agree that this doesn’t attempt to answer that question. This edit only attempts to fix the plot convenience of having R2 wake up at the end of the movie for no apparent reason. The fact that R2 probably has over 80 years of backup data helps explain why it would take him several hours to search it.

The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time is a rather good book that is told from the perspective of someone with high-functioning autism.

Tallguy said:

SilverWook said:

Those were the days!

Some of us have had success using these sites:
http://cinematreasures.org/
http://americanclassicimages.com/
I was able to find photos of where I saw Star Wars, among other cinematic memories. It helps to know what state you were living in at the time. 😉

I know city and state. (Rocky Hill, CT.) Reading about the rollout (http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/) I may even have it narrowed down to a handful of weeks. I know we saw it the second time around July 15th. And it didn’t start playing in most of the country until the beginning of June.

What I may do is start looking at newspapers from the area and time. May the Force be with me!

“That’s not how the Force works!”

ray_afraid said:

Here’s an idea I might try to put together… tell me what ya think.

Dinner scene with Luke and auntie and uncle. Luke gets up to leave…

-Luke: Looks like I’m going nowhere. I’m gonna finish cleaning those droids

he walks off, then, off screen we hear…

-Luke: Biggs?!

-Biggs: Luke!

-Luke: When did you get back?

-Biggs: Just now!

-Beru: Lukes just not a farmer Owen… He’s got to much blahblah

-Owen: That’s what I’m ablahblah.

Then we cut to the cut scene of Biggs and Luke drinking and talking. Maybe add some vaporators (or whatever they are) in the background to make it look more like they are at the Lars farm. Biggs gives Luke his news and leaves. We then cut to the sunset scene (the Biggs scene would be adjusted to look more like it’s nearing sunset).

This is linked in Ray’s sig so I thought I’d respond.

This idea is really good, but playing the entire scene in its entirety wouldn’t make much sense from a continuity standpoint, since Luke has just met two droids that know about the Rebellion. As Biggs is now on the farm, and has expressed interest in defecting to the Rebellion, Luke really should clue him in on the latest developments.

I don’t think it’s possible to keep Biggs’ defection speech if the scene is this far into the film for the reason above, so if that is cut as well as the ‘attack’ speculation, it might work.

Directly after the dinner scene, Luke goes to Toche station and meets Biggs. They reminisce, with the cut point here:

Luke: "Things haven’t been the same without you, Biggs. It’s been so quiet.
…
Biggs: “You’ll get your chance to get off this rock.”

This removes all of the defection dialogue. After Luke returns to the farm, the sunset scene could be edited to show Luke walking across the sand rather than out of the hut, as if he has just gotten off his speeder.

The only remaining problem would be Luke’s line at the start of the garage scene, “Biggs is right, I’m never gonna get out of here!” But it’s not too egregious.

The videos don’t show up on Vimeo for me. There’s just a blank page after I enter the password.

JEDIT: The second video now works on Firefox, but the first one only works on Chrome. Very curious.

Anyway, the second scene is perfect now 😃. The first still needs a sound of C-3PO walking away and the BB8 sounds, as you said. I wish there was a way to fix the music so that it didn’t repeat, but it’s mostly seamless already. Nice to see this coming together.

Excellent.
After showing the first scene to a few people, I’ve decided to lengthen the final shot by 1 second to allow more time to identify what’s going on.
Also, now BB8’s antenna wobbles as it should. 😃

https://mega.nz/#!Pd0kRRbY!yD_UJjKmaPJKX8oLfa-BoETK7xY5ucPwQMgr9W3jqNA

And the sound:

https://mega.nz/#!6ZliXLyY!NyyD8wq6yn9RZW4ZpCjO8_OVqFbDAFuvSzZETV1nSKw

Hal 9000 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Here are the completed R2 scenes, in terms of visual effects:

Absolutely wonderful idea and execution. I’ll await final audio!

Thanks! If anyone has a 5.1 setup and would like to tackle the audio, I would be most grateful.

Dek has made his avatar the color of the background. Full points for originality, or should I say, Originaltrilogy?

Here are the completed R2 scenes, in terms of visual effects:

https://mega.nz/#!rA9WDLjQ!i1aY0t-68yiD4ChTIsFQ92nUGL0MS-XSFviMahk1Hm0

https://mega.nz/#!7cVi1KaK!0rmqh2VDN1BY5Up89ymeQ8vhqzccdaDHi3NlMV7V0KA

And here are the sound effects only stereo tracks:

https://mega.nz/#!LUtHDbiC!RwJU5u4EcLS0m196H-eYsBW9vJCe0A2HmwsuJAx1lm4

https://mega.nz/#!DY82yboL!vuaIgnxFM7nnpmf9dj0ILHJcvrHJlOefmFxElLCKEYM

A final sound mix would need to include the sound of C-3PO walking away and BB8 sound effects, in addition to the soundtrack finessing.