NeverarGreat

FVDnz said:

NeverarGreat said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m sure I’ve brought this up before, and I think I’m probably the only one concerned about this at all, but here I go again.
Is there any feasible way to put Luke in his flight suit during the DS briefing in ANH?
If it could happen, it would make it seem as if a short time has passed since our heroes arrived on Yavin and the Rebels have had some time to analyze the plans and Luke has had some time to prepare. And it would look very cool.
But would this even be a thing someone could do? Is it even something to hope for someday? Is it a dumb idea that nobody likes?

If Disney can make a CGI Tarkin, they can absolutely make a CGI flight suit for Luke. Thought if it were a fan effort, it would probably be easier to film someone in a flight suit precisely mimicking Luke’s movements. There would be some tricky rotoscoping/color work since we see his clothes behind the hair of other characters, but it’s technically possible.

It also makes more sense to have him in the flight suit, as you suggest. But I doubt that it would be worth the effort for most people. I certainly never noticed how odd it was until you pointed it out.

Could something be done like say, Luke’s head being inserted on a body double perhaps?

That’s what I was suggesting, but to pull it off you’d need to place that double behind other elements in the frame, no easy feat.

ray_afraid said:

I’m sure I’ve brought this up before, and I think I’m probably the only one concerned about this at all, but here I go again.
Is there any feasible way to put Luke in his flight suit during the DS briefing in ANH?
If it could happen, it would make it seem as if a short time has passed since our heroes arrived on Yavin and the Rebels have had some time to analyze the plans and Luke has had some time to prepare. And it would look very cool.
But would this even be a thing someone could do? Is it even something to hope for someday? Is it a dumb idea that nobody likes?

If Disney can make a CGI Tarkin, they can absolutely make a CGI flight suit for Luke. Thought if it were a fan effort, it would probably be easier to film someone in a flight suit precisely mimicking Luke’s movements. There would be some tricky rotoscoping/color work since we see his clothes behind the hair of other characters, but it’s technically possible.

It also makes more sense to have him in the flight suit, as you suggest. But I doubt that it would be worth the effort for most people. I certainly never noticed how odd it was until you pointed it out.

Dreamaster said:

NeverarGreat said:

If you discover that they do indeed contain a consistent yellow tint, that would mean a bit more work for my project, which is why I want to be absolutely sure 😉

It’s interesting that this is stressing you a bit given that your current example shots already have a good amount of yellow in them and your philosophy towards editing REEL 5 and 6 was about consistency and not about theatrical purity (for which I am grateful, your preview vids are pure sex). 😃

That’s true (and thanks), but if the Tech really is that much more yellow than I thought, in what sense is it really a Technicolor recreation? I’m not too worried about it, it’s just that I want to consider everything before reel 2 is out the door.

DominicCobb said:

Trump is such a charged situation. For so many people he represents the epitome of everything wrong in the country, and not in the usual “we have a different ideology” way, but in a plainly moral way. And that’s because the guy is living, breathing scum, an example of a bigoted rich old white guy so perfect as to be a parody of itself. The truth is, the bigotry is right there for anyone looking. And for many that makes him completely unredeemable. And for others it doesn’t change a thing for them (and then of course there’s those who like it). Now obviously you have a right not to mind the man’s bigotry. But for many people they just cannot understand how anyone could brush that aside, especially when that bigotry and ignorance can directly affect them. I’m certainly one to preach tolerance, so I understand Trump supporters who overlooked the troubling aspects. But I also sympathize with those who could not. To dismiss those who are so passionately against him is just as bad to dismiss those who are rationally for him. Both have a perspective and a reason for what many on either side may consider to be their extreme opinions.

I would agree with this, except for classifying Trump as scum. I don’t think it’s helpful to vilify anyone, even terrible people like Hitler, since even villains think that they are basically good people.

I don’t think anyone views Trump as a particularly moral person. The fact that the Left constantly harps on this aspect misses the point that people voted for Trump despite his moral failings, and to some extent, because of them. Not because these people are racist, but because they saw in Trump someone who didn’t apologize, who said what he wanted. This is the exact opposite of the value-signaling that the Left engages in, and in the view of the Right, it weakens us all.

The fact that Trump can say things not based in fact and get away with it is far more powerful and important than if he were to say measured, reasonable things like Obama. The Left has claimed for decades that the Right is living in a world divorced from factual, scientific reality, and so people on the Right may often feel threatened when they attempt to profess their religious/economic/political beliefs. For them, our PC, scientifically minded culture is not liberating, it is oppressive. The Left has the academic and scientific resources to amass a great deal of evidence in favor of their beliefs, and the Right has mostly been relegated to talk radio and extreme Libertarian theory. How could there be a vigorous discourse in our society when the odds are so uneven? I do not mean to imply that the beliefs of the left are better than those of the Right, just that the Left tends toward academia.

To bring it back to Trump, his wanton disregard for facts has quickly leveled the playing field of discourse in this country, much like the A-bomb leveled Hiroshima. This is partly the fault of the Left for not recognizing that they were ever more communicating with themselves and leaving half of the country out, and partly the fault of the Right for insulating themselves in their own bubble. Communication is hard, and it’s far easier to retreat to echo chambers. I hope that we as a nation begin to recognize that we need to build a broad knowledge of facts instead of calling everything fake news, and recognizing that Trump’s solution is ultimately destructive. Merriam Webster says it best, when describing the word ‘trumpery’: worthless nonsense.

Sir Ridley said:

NeverarGreat said:

Well, there was the R2 map search that I wanted to offer up for consideration, so I’d probably get working on that as well.

Nice, what was the idea there? Don’t think I’ve heard of this.

From quite a few pages back:

JEDIT: I’ll just leave this idea here to come back to later, since there’s edit specific stuff to do right now:

As it is presented in the film, R2 has been in low power mode ‘since Luke went away’. BB-8 suggests that the map to Luke could be in R2’s backup data, and at the end of the film C-3PO says ‘you’ve found what?’, indicating that R2 has been searching his backup files in low power mode since Luke went away. The problem of course is that it is awfully convenient that he just happens to finish his search when everyone needs a morale boost at the end of the film. The idea that the presence of Rey unlocked the data also strains credulity, in my opinion.

So, my idea is to have R2 awaken some moments after BB-8 hits him but after the others are gone, using the beginning of the shot where his lights come on. He has overheard BB-8’s comment about his backup data, something he had not considered. He then starts to comb through his data, perhaps using a new sound and a flashing light on his body, much like the light of a hard drive reading data. Then, at the end of the film, he can complete his search and announce his discovery as usual.

What this edit would require is lengthening the first shot of R2 when BB8 pulls the cover off of him and deleting BB8, and placing the shot at the end of that scene with a blinking light animation to show that he’s now searching for the map. Then the first shot of the second scene may need slight lengthening to show the blinking light coming to a stop before his primary lights come on.

Is this using the film scanner you recently bought?

I scanned these frames several years ago on a scanner in the art department of a college, used specifically for photography and film scanning. I expect that if the colors were significantly inaccurate, it wouldn’t have been much good for those things. I only know that under close visual examination in the photo lab using a magnifying glass, the colors of the frames seemed to match fairly well what I got out of the scanner.

And certain frames seemed to look quite good to me, such as the Vader shot and R2. Sure, they may look more vibrant when projected in a theater, but to me the Death Star shots I have seen contain a lot of color variability. It seems doubtful that a calibration problem would faithfully represent the colors of one Death Star interior and not another. Granted, I only have a few hundred frames for reference, so you would be a better judge of consistency, especially in the first two reels. If you discover that they do indeed contain a consistent yellow tint, that would mean a bit more work for my project, which is why I want to be absolutely sure 😉

The bootleg seems to have a noticeable green shift, and a very slight yellow shift. I double checked in Photoshop by blurring the images so that I got the average color for the ‘black’ bars. Here are the images with a curves adjustment to return the bars to neutral gray:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/204846

This gets the shot closer to Mike’s preliminary grade, with the purple shadows becoming noticeable. This is one of the shots for which I have Tech frames, and the shot is definitely green on that source, to the point that Mike commented that it looked bad. It’s green to the eye, green when scanned.

Also, R2 is extremely blue in the bootleg compared to Mike’s photo.

From what I see, the Tech is notoriously inconsistent. For instance, all 4 of these scans were done at once:

The Death Star hallways are way too green and the skin tones too yellow in the first one, but they get much more blue with Vader.
The R2 shot has nice colors, but the final scene is notorious for being too red in the highlights, a problem that is much more noticeable without the luma correction.
The final shot is much more blue than the previous shots.

Also, notice that the audio strip which should be neutral gray has turned green in the hallway shot.

Bingowings said:

From a fan edit perspective it would mean making all Jedi saber blades blue in the PT and making Luke’s the first green one in ROTJ. If you wanted to add an obvious explanation you have to add it to the beginning of ROTJ The film could begin with Luke in his X wing with the familiar orange gas giant of Yavin in frame too. It could in the crawl explain that Luke completed his training with Yoda and that the Jedi master tasked him with one last test before his off screen death. As Luke meditates he hears Ben tell Luke he must face Vader again. Telepathically. When he comes to that point a tiny green crystal is retrieved. This would lead into Vader arriving at the new Death Star. An undoing of the victory of the first film. What the crystal does would be hinted at by the colour of Luke’s blade when he first ignites it and add some degree of sense to Vader’s marvelling at his son’s new weapon. As he had used the force to find the needle in the haystack of salvaged debris.

That’s a cool idea. Because it’s cool, I made a thing:

Guided by visions in the Force, Luke Skywalker has foreseen but one perilous way to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

As his friends gather on Tatooine to put his plan into motion, Luke travels to the wreckage of the Death Star, eye of the Emperor’s grand vision, in search of an ancient weapon.

Little does Luke know that the Emperor constructs another eye to complete a vision he has long foreseen, spelling certain doom for the Jedi, the Rebellion, and all freedom in the galaxy…

Jetrell Fo said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

I think a lot of things fall under the umbrella of “dated.” The question is to what degree it matters. Some of the hair styles in Star Wars are dated but that ultimately doesn’t really affect much and certainly doesn’t make the film as a whole any less timeless.

Something like a “dated” mindset towards perversion could be a bit more of an issue.

I actually just watched The Quiet Man for the first time, and a lot of it is a product of its time and a product of the time it’s set in - the characters in general have a lot of different attitudes than we do currently and that’s okay because that’s the time it’s depicting. But a few moments are more definitely “dated.” In particular, the scene in which John Wayne forcibly and carelessly drags Maureen O’Hara for miles is played in the films for laughs and we aren’t supposed to think any less of Wayne’s character for it. But, watching it now, it’s just pretty fucked up, honestly and not very funny or endearing in the least bit.

During our roadtrip through Ireland, we stopped at the Quiet Man bridge, where the scene was shot. It was a lovely location, and after that I made a point to watch the film. I didn’t care for it. It’s too much a film of its time to resonate with a filthy millennial like me.

On the other hand…
Kong: Skull Island

A delightful monster fest. As my girlfriend said: ‘It was everything I expected it to be - and a little bit more’.

You have a cool girlfriend.

😃

Thanks! (She thinks so as well) 😉

chyron8472 said:

Watched v1.0 the other day. It’s a great start and really does help the second act. One thing I did think about is… if the star is being drained during the X-Wing approach, why is the stream not visible in that shot? I figure the collector is maybe not the same location as the cannon, but you can still see (sunlight on) the planet–so the star should be behind the camera somewhere, meaning the stream ought to have been visible.

The collector was established to be in a different location, but the star was probably in whatever place was best for the lighting of the shot.

Well, there was the R2 map search that I wanted to offer up for consideration, so I’d probably get working on that as well.

😃

It was only ever an idea. Perhaps when I complete my current project and the 3 into 1 Hobbit trilogy fanedit, I’d get around to it.

ETA: 2045

😉

Don’t forget the stabilized final shot!

Was there anything else I needed to submit?

But Ackbar calls for a retreat before Lando talks him out of it.

I always thought that they stayed because they ‘won’t get another chance at this’. If they failed here the Rebellion would be finished.

Darth Lucas said:

Bingowings said:

Maybe Luke’s ROTJ sabre has a green blade because he salvaged a crystal from Yavin space… just suggestin’

Maybe the Empire had processed these crystals to make the Death Star Weapon work so reducing the need for green blades in the prequels

What if the Kyber used by Luke for his ROTJ saber was actually a shard of the big one used to power the Death Star. That’d be an interesting idea to play with I think.

I mean, well beyond the scope of any fanedit, but still interesting to think about.

The Dark Crystal vibes are strong with this idea.

Darth Lucas said:

I’ve always had a problem with the “over-yellow” tatooine corrections that have been done previously. It just always looked so unnatural that I couldn’t fathom it was intentionally on the original film; yet it looks completely natural on the print photos and the mverta screening pics. I think because, in trying to replicate the look, an unintentional side effect is that skintones become jaundice-y, the whites of artoo turn into a milky yellow, and the silver turns green. However, on the photos of the print and the Mverta screening photos, it takes on this yellow look without the unsightly side effects. Skies still look blue, whites are still white, and skintones are still skintones. It’s gorgeous, really. I wonder why it’s so hard to replicate without the unsightly side effects.

I think one of the reasons, for the Blu-ray at least, is that the yellow/blue channel is so deteriorated that the information just isn’t there to make the correction. The Blu-ray masks the blue deficiency by giving everything a blue cast, thus making the skin tones purple in the process. This is also noticeable in the clothes. Often the costumes will be blue/white, rather than their original off-white or tan, and it’s impossible to completely recover this without ruining the highlights.

I notice that the skin tones aboard the Death Star shift between yellow and a more natural pink. The Ben shot and the first Tarkin shot are very yellow, and there are two shots that are much more balanced. I wonder if most of reels 2 and 3 are unintentionally yellow-shifted, since the shots aboard the Falcon when fleeing Tatooine are also extremely yellow.

Keep in mind that Tech prints were supposedly timed to a more yellow projection bulb, so the colors on a print seen in neutral light should be more blue than normal. I have a hard time believing that the extreme yellow is supposed to be shifted even further yellow.

Also good to keep in mind, the complete Tech prints of Star Wars that we have are the result of cobbling and splicing together the leftover bits of prints from the closing of the Technicolor plant in Britain. We have no idea what the quality control looked like, and whether what pieces we have were ever intended to be shown. I’m not trying to discourage anyone, but simply trying to reconcile the look of these frames with the other sources at our disposal, none of which were this yellow.

DuracellEnergizer said:

And that’s why I’m an absurdist.

Rufus Riley: [to Agatha] “I’m sorry for whatever I’m going to do and I swear I didn’t do any of that stuff I did.”

Trump’s ‘ultimatum’ is fairly brilliant in a cynical way. He believes that there aren’t enough votes to pass the massively unpopular bill, so instead of spend the time to craft a decent piece of legislation, he’s hoping the bill will fail so that he can blame Congress for its failure and escape most of the repercussions. This also allows him to get away from the complicated and difficult subject of healthcare where he is completely out of his element and toward more flashy bits of executive showbusiness.

People keep underestimating Trump, saying that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He absolutely knows when to deflect, distract, blame, defame, and call names. He knows how to play Machiavelli’s lion and fox, and I fear that the media is just going to let him slink away on this one.

^shiny*

*like a treasure from a sunken pirate wreck

SwissArmyTin said:

FanFiltration said:

Man this show is a complete train wreck!

When I first saw this Klingon ship concept I thought immediately of “Stargate: Atlantis”. And that is not a good thing.

The video I link to below is a fair rundown of the situation thus far.
“Star Trek Discovery in Trouble? Rumor Rundown” = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5qVwZvjm8

What in christ’s sake is that thing

It looks like a trident covered in gothic cathedrals and mosques.

The frames I have include some of the Death Star Walls, which look as green as the ones you have. In my discussion with Mike Verta, he said that the green cast was not really accurate. It certainly wasn’t that green on set. His version was much more of a blue-green, but it’s a tricky thing to get right. My version makes the walls almost gray in the brighter areas, falling off into a greenish blue (slightly more green than blue) in the shadows, as Technicolor tends to do.

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Alderaan said:

TPM was at least shot on film, and didn’t have Yoda flying around like a monkey. That seals it for me.

Plus, the factory sequence. Which I would never remember, if not for RLM, since I only saw the POS once.

I was watching Minority Report the other day, and when I saw the factory scene I immediately thought of AOTC. Minority Report came out the same year as AOTC, and was also scored by Williams. They both feature gravity guns, arm entrapment, and a death fakeout shot, yet the difference in quality between these two scenes is dizzying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7omoVzuynmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzWyLDQvKng