NeverarGreat

.Mac. said:

NeverarGreat said:

.Mac. said:

Do we need to see Leia gain admittance though? Just like with Lando, we didn’t see how he got in; he just is already in, which could work the same for Leia also.

Right, with this idea Leia is already in the palace and has probably been there for a while.

If she has already been in for a while, then that tells me she was already accepted, and so then it still makes zero sense for her to surrender Chewie for no apparent benefit. I understand what you were going for with the idea, but we don’t need to see her get the “You go girl” nod from Fett. My point is she could’ve already been accepted in by Fett and everyone else, just as Lando was.

Also with the removal of this whole scene, we then won’t have to worry about seeing Lando pulling down his disguise and essentially telling the audience, “Hey it’s me guys!”

It doesn’t make sense that she would have been accepted like Lando. Lando was a known scoundrel. It’s reasonable to believe that he would have the cred to be accepted into Jabba’s service as someone who recently lost their gig as a city administrator and has fallen on hard times. Leia, on the other hand, is instantly recognizable as a former senator and member of the Rebellion. There’s no way she’d be accepted sight unseen without a really good disguise and plausible Bounty Hunter credentials. Enlisting Boba Fett to help ‘capture’ Chewie solves this problem. Chewie is her price of admission, even if it’s inconvenient later on.

Anyway, let’s take further discussion here so as not to clutter the thread.

.Mac. said:

Do we need to see Leia gain admittance though? Just like with Lando, we didn’t see how he got in; he just is already in, which could work the same for Leia also.

Right, with this idea Leia is already in the palace and has probably been there for a while.

Chewie’s introduction in the cell is one of the few changes I’d really like to see in even a ‘soft’ fanedit like this. It’s basically a plot hole that Chewie isn’t captured, since 3PO says ‘Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place’.

To make it work, Boushh’s bargain with Jabba should be cut, leaving only the brief word between Boushh and 3PO after the negotiation. Boushh would need to be dubbed to say more alien words, and subtitled so she says ‘We captured Chewbacca’ or ‘We captured the Wookiee’. Her glance at Boba Fett, who nods in return, explain the presence of Boba Fett and make sense of the scheme: She needed the trust of a renowned bounty hunter to gain admittance to the palace, not just Chewie and a disguise. Finally, we see Lando in a guard uniform, and can piece together the plan - Luke sends the droids as a peace offering, and if that fails there are two people inside the palace who can rescue Han, Chewie, and the droids. When this fails as well, it falls to Luke to rescue them all.

I haven’t watched much of Clone Wars so I can’t comment on that, but this edit would remove the darkest moments from RotS (child murder, immolation). Of course RO isn’t a part of this idea, but though it may have more explicit violence than ESB it still doesn’t capture the sense of nightmarish fear that the Dagobah cave scene was able to create, at least for me.

New Trailer on October 9th

Or maybe not. Better disconnect from the internet now just to be safe, all ye who recoil at further footage.

ray_afraid said:

Here’s my ideal opening for ROTJ. It’s from the “wish list” thread and is now 6 years old, but… here it is. I hope you can follow.

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star.

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new light saber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then igniting his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader’s shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that, cut to Yoda’s hut on Dagobah for Yoda’s death scene. After Luke says “So I am a Jedi.” Cut Yoda’s line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying “When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.” This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star then back to Dagobah for the Obi-Wan scene, then on to Tatooine.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba’s palace.

I know some feel that this opening would drag and be boring, but at this point the audience should be invested in the characters and story enough for this to be interesting. It certainly is to me.

And as for Luke showing up late to the briefing, footage would need to be altered so that he’s already there. (the “I’m with you too!” moment is corny anyways.) His moment with Leia (“What’s wrong?” “ask me again sometime.”) should be before the briefing begins.
As for the deleted footage of Luke in the cave not being HD and looking terrible next to the other footage… Yeah, I dunno.

There would be some problems with this sequence, especially with the lightsaber building. The whole reason the scene was cut in the first place was that it played much better to have the saber revealed during the sail barge fight. Similarly, Luke’s wearing a black traveling cloak in the cave but not when he’s walking around on Dagobah. So he goes from looking menacing and slightly evil to having Beru’s haircut in Yoda’s hut, then back to him being a menacing badass when he’s (re)introduced on Tatooine.

The theatrical version has problems, sure, but I don’t see how it can be changed without creating more problems than it solves.

FanFiltration said:

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How do you feel about that? http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/351408-trump-using-rnc-money-to-pay-legal-fees-in-russia

I think it’s acceptable for people who aren’t billionaires.
So go on ahead, Trump, we understand 😉

^ Usually you’d need some pretty good upsides to invest a lot of time and effort into an idea, such as the late Starkiller Firing in TFA:Gentle Restructure. I’m not sure what the potential upsides to such a change actually are.

Another possible crawl, this one playing up the finality of the conflict and differentiating it from the plot of the previous films:

It is a time of open war. As the Rebellion gathers its strength for a decisive strike, Luke Skywalker has returned to the hidden world of Dagobah to complete his Jedi training.

Unable to face the revelations of Darth Vader, he awaits a summons from his friends as they attempt to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

Little do they know that the EMPEROR, intent on completing his Imperial fortress, has been secretly constructing a Death Star to secure his tyrannical rule once and for all…

I wonder if Adywan is going to use Harmy’s Despecialized version to replace the out-of-focus section (shuttle Tydirian approach and landing on Endor).

jarbear said:

NeverarGreat said:

Are we questioning the logic of the Star Wars universe?

Always could add a poster like that in a scene. It could be an easter egg! (/sarcasm)

Rey has that poster in her AT-AT house, and then when she is captured she is horrified to see one just like it on the wall of the interrogation chamber alongside a ‘Hang in there’ cat poster.

It may not even be necessary to remove the line ‘I have a promise to keep, to an old friend’, since he has promised to ‘finish what he begins’ and complete the training. No doubt he believes that he has left his training unfinished yet again to go rescue Han Solo, only to be corrected when he goes to Dagobah one last time. Also, this line made it seem (to me) that Luke had spent more time with Yoda than we were led to expect given the events of ESB, so it could further imply their close friendship. In the theatrical version of the movie, it just sounds like Yoda is a friend and also happens to be old, which is rather less compelling.

adywan said:

I haven’t had time to go through every comment yet, but here are a few things that WON’T be happening in ROTJ:R -

Extra Boba Fett / Boba Surviving - Boba is going to die ( someone already guessed the one way i’m planning on killing him 😉 )

Unless I missed a guess, that narrows the guesses down to one.
And if that’s true, then that’s an ambitious change and I can’t wait to see it in action 😃

nhoj3 said:

Proposed Revisited ROTJ Opening Crawl (85 words, 7 more than original):

While his friends have scoured the galaxy for Han Solo, Luke Skywalker has evaded Darth Vader’s relentless pursuit by continuing his Jedi training on the secret planet of Dagobah.

With Han finally discovered in the lair of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt, Luke has left his training once again to join his friends in a daring rescue attempt.

Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

Here’s your crawl edited to remove some redundancy:

It is a time of open war. As the Imperial Starfleet struggles to contain the growing Rebel Alliance, Luke Skywalker has continued his Jedi training on the hidden world of Dagobah.

Meanwhile, his friends have traveled to Tatooine in an attempt to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

In this version, the scenes could stay as they are. In fact, the crawl now mirrors the structure of the first act with the Death Star scene occurring first, then Tatooine, then Dagobah. Now it appears that Luke was only called away for a few days to rescure Han, and is returning to find Yoda pretty much as he left him. Luke doesn’t seem surprised that Yoda is in poor health, and even tries to deny his obvious infirmity out of politeness.

JEDIT: Good idea Ender. Perhaps something like this:

It is a time of open war. As the Rebellion gathers its strength for a decisive strike, Luke Skywalker has returned to the hidden world of Dagobah to complete his Jedi training.

Unable to face the question of his true father, he awaits word from his friends as they prepare to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

Are we questioning the logic of the Star Wars universe?

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TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

Amusing, but fake

Covers (at rough estimate) 87.23% of the random pictures and gifs in this thread.

Is it just a coincidence that this is exactly the same as the 2011 male literacy rate in India?!?!

Amusing, but fake

joefavs said:

NeverarGreat said:

Don’t know if this has been posted before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=861&v=nVZGUV77aRg
The guy’s got a point, y’all.

This is wonderful.

Alderaan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Don’t know if this has been posted before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=861&v=nVZGUV77aRg
The guy’s got a point, y’all.

That was unwatchable.

I’m glad we all agree.

Never would have noticed the problem until you pointed it out, and now it’s all I can see. Thanks.

Classic double o’ posts.

According to the EU (I know, I know) the gas giant Endor has nine moons. The mining operation could take place on one or more of these moons, and we could see a partially destroyed moon passing in front of Endor prime in one shot. There’s some potential here for striking imagery, ala Avatar:

doubleofive said:

.Mac. said:

The interior of the Sentinel’s cockpit is similar to the Lambda’s anyway (unlike the Zeta), so he wouldn’t have to change anything there.

So does the exterior nose, which means some background replacement for the docking bay set instead of replacing every set piece.

I am, however, very much in favor of seeing a string of thousands of various cargo/construction crafts moving between the Death Star and the moon, which can include the Zeta-class; for there it makes sense and I hope we see it.

I was thinking of this too, but does the current dialog on the Star Destroyer allow for Tydirium to just be one of hundreds they’ve seen today? And would they all have to pass right over the Destroyer and “fly casual”?

It would be cool to see dozens of shuttles milling about the Death Star, but since the moon only contains the shield generator and this is operational, there shouldn’t be many craft traveling that way. So perhaps Tydirium is in a line of shuttles headed for the Death Star but breaks away for the moon, taking it across the path of the destroyer.

ChainsawAsh said:

Vengeance is absolutely fantastic. One of the best fanedits in general I’ve seen, and it’s the definitive version of STID for me.

I just saw this edit, after last seeing the original over a year ago. This is the first edit I’ve seen that makes me wonder why I disliked the original, since it’s so seamless in excising the bad. It all seems effortless, which is all the more impressive since there were so many changes.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

captainsolo said:

I will admit that I’ve only been absolutely destroyed by how devastatingly bad a picture is a handful of times. One was CR 2006. One was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. One was TFA. And then there was what happened to poor Speed.

After watching the trailer, my brother and I looked at each other and knew that this wasn’t going to be a return to the used-universe aesthetic of the originals, no matter what JJ had promised.

I assume you were pleasantly surprised in this regard when you saw the film.

I had already known that a lot of the creatures and props would be practical, but there’s no denying that few frames of the movie are untouched by digital enhancement. That and the more modern editing style did take some getting used to, but eventually I came to appreciate the film for what it was and not my unrealistic vision of what it could probably never have been.