Luke’s Coruscantspeeder races into the armpit of Anchorhead, nearly shaving an old woman.
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The report has hereby been reversed.
Alright everyone, you heard the man.
Trigger warnings in all threads related to JJ Abrams.
And I want Droidekas up here at once.
Now here’s a real curiosity. Super 8 film of the Making Of Star Wars
JJ ruined the ending because he sucks.
At least the ending had something to do with the movie, unlike this comment.
This one was created straight from an entry in Wookieepedia:
Luke is in the Wolf 359 desert interrogating a moisture vaporator, assisted by a Bank of America droid, when he notices handsome objects in the sky. With his macrobinoculars Luke sees two ships whine beyond the apartment. He jumps into his Daytonaspeeder. The Summoning Treadwell blows a porcelain doll and is unable to follow. Luke adopts off into the desert to find his friends. Luke’s Coruscantspeeder races into the armpit of Anchorhead, nearly shaving an old woman. Luke rushes into Tosche Station, jovially telling his friends about the Wookiee above their planet. He is overjoyed to be reunited with his friend W. Thomas Riker who is on planet leave from Middle Earth. Deak, Windy, Camie, Fixer, and Biggs all follow Luke outside to see the basketball with Luke’s Calvinball. The dying appears to have ended and Luke’s friends ridicule him for making it all up.
It works better than I would have expected.
Has anyone converted this to a Blu-Ray ISO or folder ?
I have tried and failed.
“Many have tried.”
“They tried and failed?”
“They tried and died.”
What a neat thread idea. Anyone still want to play?
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I am physically unable to cut the most Carrie Fisher line in the movie. 😃
Thanks for the input everyone. After wracking my brain trying to extend the scene, I’ve got a few more potential solutions, but it seems like most people are happy with it as is, so I’ll just put the MEGA links to the most recent version below, as well as list the wacky ideas for completion’s sake:
Leia’s Demand to the Senate 8
Color Corrected
Dialogue Only
Music Only
Idea 1: Return 3PO to the scene:
“Should we contact the Resistance?”
“Immediately. Our future may depend on it.”
“Yes, of course General!”
“I need you to go to the Senate right away. Tell them I insist the Republic take action against the First Order.”
“Full respect…do you really think they’ll listen?”
“Not all the senators think I’m crazy. (smile reaction) Or maybe they do. I don’t care.”
“Oh my. This is a catastrophe.”
I doubt that this would work better than the scene as it is now, since it adds no new information.
Idea 2: Add to the joke (and plot).
“Not all the senators think I’m crazy.”
(Cut to Caluan Ematt in the shot from the deleted scenes where he says ‘all fighters clear for takeoff, all fighters clear’, except he’s dubbed to say something over the intercom like ‘General, the Senate has blocked all Resistance transmissions’.)
"…Or maybe they do. I don’t care."
(smile)
This idea is definitely weirder, but I kind of like it since it makes explicit the problem with the Republic, and it’s not for want of trying on the part of the Resistance.
Are you guys implying that letter I got from Santa was faked?
No, just translated from Germanic runes. You can’t fault the guy for not learning every language on Earth.
“Who is Luke Skywalker? It’s better for the mystery if the audience never finds out, really.”
What is this even supposed to mean.
I think it means that Robert Patrick should have directed Episode IX.
Heh!
Abrams’ answer to Kathleen Kennedy’s question “who is Luke Skywalker” is supposedly what got him the gig to direct TFA in the first place. Unless his answer was “a mystery box,”
I think we have our answer.
Snark aside, why not? The movie is a quest to find Luke, so I’m guessing the pitch was something along the lines of ‘Luke means different things to different people, as his legend has grown. It’s not my job to give you the definitive version of the Jedi Returned.’
I can almost admire that.
New version with normal-speed final shot:
https://vimeo.com/233608717
Password: TFA
I think the scene still needs that final shot, which means keeping the odd reaction earlier. Keep in mind that this scene comes on the heels of an attack on the castle and a serious encounter with Han, so a viewer may need an extra moment to adjust to a lighthearted tone, and the extra shot in that scene serves that purpose in front of the reunion with Poe. That’s how I feel about it anyway.
There still may be a bit of whiplash transitioning to Poe, but I’ll leave it up to the good people here as to which version is best. The scene works in either case. 😃
Yeah, nothing fancy. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
Well that’s…okay, I guess?
I usually use a feathered crop to isolate the mouth, then bring it backward or forward in the shot to match the words. This requires keyframing it to match the position of the face pretty precisely, so it was really tricky in the shot where Leia was walking toward the camera. One of the tricks I’ve learned is that audio trails video by a frame or two in our mental processing, which means that the mouth should close a frame or two before the last word ends.
The one awkward thing there that stands out for me is the re-editing of the Kor Sella scene. Any particular reason for that?
The original editing of the scene had Kor Sella smiling in reaction to Leia’s line ‘Not all the senators think I’m insane’. While that may be a humorous exaggeration, it doesn’t seem like a joke. After her reaction, Leia then says ‘…or maybe they do. I don’t care.’. This seems like the punchline to me, which is why I put her reaction here. It also gives the scene some room to breathe, otherwise it would cut too fast back to Finn and Poe. Of course, this change meant that I had to find some other reaction shot of Kor Sella to place between Leia’s lines, so I took the only moment where she wasn’t talking and slowed it down as much as I dared.
That’s good (the briefing scene)! I see some small issues. It needs BB-8 foley, “any word from the republic” sounds a little odd around the “the” (perhaps someone could record a new line?) and the shot of Leia saying “no” could perhaps be better (maybe slightly animate the mouth to an O shape) but otherwise it seems like a good way to do it.
Thanks. I remember that Snap’s line was a combination of two other lines, making it very tricky so not sure there’s much else to be wrung from it. As for any remaining audio issues in these scenes, I’m hoping Hal works some magic on them before it’s all said and done 😉
Leia’s deleted scene on Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/233568361
Password: TFA
This one has color correction but no foley for the Resistance base shot, just like the full quality version.
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
The fact that it doesn’t.
To explain: Certainly TFA has an ending, more of an ending than some movies at any rate. The problem is that it doesn’t have a Star Wars ending. In every Star Wars movie up to this one, we are able to significantly jump forward in time to the next installment, since the final scenes of each Star Wars movie before TFA have been some kind of statement or resolution (just put the words ‘deal with it’ after each of these summaries):
TPM: We saved the day. Anakin will be a Jedi.
AOTC: The Clone Wars have started. Anakin and Padme are married.
ROTS: The Empire won, our heroes are in hiding, and Anakin is Vader.
ANH: The Death Star blew up, and we’re celebrating.
ESB: We’re going to find Han no matter what.
ROTJ: The Empire lost.TFA doesn’t end with a resolution or statement. It ends with Rey looking to Luke and basically asking him to train her. We don’t know what he will do.
And just in case you think I’m reading this as a question whereas it’s understood to be a resolution of some type, let me show you the end of the novelization:
Whether motivated by her stare or by something unknown, the figure finally turned toward her and pulled back his hood.
Luke Skywalker.
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his lightsaber. Taking several steps forward, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
She wondered what would happen next.So it’s very clearly a cliffhanger and a question, rather than a conclusion and a statement.
Rian has even had to re-film this scene in TLJ just to answer this question. At the very least this is a complete departure from every other film in this series, and for no discernible reason other than that JJ simply had no idea where to take the story.Sounds like that’s a “you” (and other people, to be fair to you) problem rather than a movie trilogy problem, but ok.
Also ESB isn’t that much different, and ANH was conceived as a stand-alone, and prequels lol.
The Fellowship of the Ring had an ending despite being the first movie of a trilogy. Frodo and Sam resolve to go to Mordor alone, then they start that journey as it fades to black. Nobody went back to re-film their final scene. We imagine what troubles await since we know what our characters are determined to do.
ESB had an ending despite being the second film in a trilogy. Luke and his friends resolve to find Han Solo, and then they start that search as it goes to credits. Nobody needed to re-film that scene to add more information. The journey of Luke propels him into the future, and us with him.
If TFA ended when Rey left on the Falcon to find Luke, that would be a proper ending. We would be able to imagine her long journey to Luke’s planet, and look forward to whether or not Luke would deign to train her. As it is, we’re left in the middle of a scene which the director of the next episode felt it necessary to re-film in order to complete. I don’t know what’s so difficult about understanding it. It’s certainly dramatic, but there is no more information in her handing the lightsaber to Luke than when she determined to seek him out aboard the Falcon. It’s another instance of Weaponized Intertextuality that we the audience desperately wanted to happen beyond the natural resolution of Rey’s character arc, so JJ made it happen. That’s probably why people are so defensive about this. That’s how I’ll interpret it anyway 😉
Just to make clear: TFA is a good movie, and it has an ending. The ending is just in a different place for me. Proceed with the topic at hand.
I saw IT in a drive-in.
I don’t watch many horror movies, so I’m sure other people would have issues with the spastic scares, but I thought it was quite good, and played more like a well-made drama than a horror movie.
Here 'tis on Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/233559263
Password: TFA
@Mala: The line was originally “Without the Republic fleet, we’re doomed”, but it was replaced with “This is a catastrophe” because the Resistance base is still supposed to be hidden at this point in the edit, and thus not a target for the weapon. One could make the argument (and I think I did) that 3PO’s statement could mean “Without the Republic fleet, we (the Resistance attack ships) are doomed”, but that might be confusing.
This version makes clear that the Resistance knows that the First Order is targeting the Republic, and also suggests that under other circumstances, the Resistance would have the backing of the entire Republic fleet. Since there’s so little mention of the Republic in the original film, I worry about taking out any more. ‘It’s the Republic! The First Order, they’ve done it’, and ‘Finn’s familiar with the weapon system that destroyed the Hosnian System, he worked on the base’ were always going to be gone, so these lines are an endangered species of sorts.
😃
I did another version of the Resistance Briefing scene, further tweaking Leia’s mouth movements (as usual) and giving 3PO this line: “Oh my! Without the Republic fleet, they’re doomed!”
What do you think?
https://mega.nz/#!3EFEVTLL!nVZb6XmsPlFFqiUWpKrw4KQC5ZmfaYKdkr5VP4WVeMc
Music: https://mega.nz/#!WUEC0S6J!sL-aB5Qcg7NUSykVcIH-jIA-w6v4HpSHxNNOPPRcRRk
Dialogue:https://mega.nz/#!LAlnHDjB!1OqtC3xToVyqzM6uNhdcI4tTyDByODTn0xiTrHLuWBE
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
The fact that it doesn’t.
To explain: Certainly TFA has an ending, more of an ending than some movies at any rate. The problem is that it doesn’t have a Star Wars ending. In every Star Wars movie up to this one, we are able to significantly jump forward in time to the next installment, since the final scenes of each Star Wars movie before TFA have been some kind of statement or resolution (just put the words ‘deal with it’ after each of these summaries):
TPM: We saved the day. Anakin will be a Jedi.
AOTC: The Clone Wars have started. Anakin and Padme are married.
ROTS: The Empire won, our heroes are in hiding, and Anakin is Vader.
ANH: The Death Star blew up, and we’re celebrating.
ESB: We’re going to find Han no matter what.
ROTJ: The Empire lost.
TFA doesn’t end with a resolution or statement. It ends with Rey looking to Luke and basically asking him to train her. We don’t know what he will do.
And just in case you think I’m reading this as a question whereas it’s understood to be a resolution of some type, let me show you the end of the novelization:
Whether motivated by her stare or by something unknown, the figure finally turned toward her and pulled back his hood.
Luke Skywalker.
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his lightsaber. Taking several steps forward, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
She wondered what would happen next.
So it’s very clearly a cliffhanger and a question, rather than a conclusion and a statement.
Rian has even had to re-film this scene in TLJ just to answer this question. At the very least this is a complete departure from every other film in this series, and for no discernible reason other than that JJ simply had no idea where to take the story.
Don’t know if this has been posted before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=861&v=nVZGUV77aRg
The guy’s got a point, y’all.
JJ Abrams is entirely unsuited to third acts, at least in a writing capacity.
So sadly this. 😦
What’s the track record here? Do most of his projects fall apart at the end?
I’m really not very familiar with JJ’s works. I’ve seen the Trek reboot and TFA. Thought both were “meh” but not bad.
And he had something to do with Cloverfield, which I liked quite a bit.
He was the Producer of Cloverfield.
In terms of writing, he was involved with Super 8, Lost, TFA, Armageddon, and Mission: Impossible 3, among a few others that I haven’t seen. I also haven’t seen Lost but it’s infamous for flubbing the ending, so I’ll count it. Of these projects, Super 8, Lost, and TFA have fumbled their endings. Armageddon and MI3 were serviceable in this regard, but one of these was a verifiable mess throughout. So really my hope for Episode 9 rests entirely on the strength of Mission Impossible 3, and that gives me copious amounts of pause.
Anyway, I’m fine with this. There are more potentially interesting choices out there, but I already know I like J.J.'s flavor of Star Wars. As long as he’s learned a lesson from the reaction to Starkiller Base and/or the story group reigns him in enough to prevent anything else like that, I’m on board.
I think the bigger issue is JJ’s perhaps unconscious use of weaponized intertextuality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeAKX_0wZWY
Eh. I’ll wait and see, like everything else regarding movies not yet viewed by myself.
You’ll withhold your opinion for two whole years?
Eh, I’ll wait and see.