NeverarGreat

Jim Smith said:

Shopping Maul said:

The bigger issue with the ‘Leia as other hope’ thing is the fact that she simply couldn’t have been an option at the time of Yoda’s original declaration in ESB. When Yoda said “there is another”, Luke was flying off to Bespin to rescue Leia - the same Leia whose fate Yoda could not see and who Yoda had just encouraged Luke to sacrifice for the greater good. She simply wasn’t an option at that point, sister or no.

Great catch. Yoda does basically want Luke to sacrifice his friends for the greater good and stay on Dagobah to finish his Jedi training. Yoda pulled his line of, “There is another.” directly out of his green ass.

Or Luke pulled the idea of Leia being his sister out of his not-yet-Jedi ass, and Ben just let him believe it.

Here’s the demuxed audio from the deleted scenes, as unprocessed as it gets:
https://mega.nz/#!XAFjnThK!YmNeMUPv07ENlpg66t5sFFjaw7D_ePh3aj0OlonZG4A
The relevant audio sections are at 1:16-1:21 and 4:21-4:36.

Here you go:
https://mega.nz/#!6ctjVQIa!OYbFfKse73xYRWcVTAG-uG05WZwnc_UyXjSkoTXxNIE

I altered the audio of ‘this First Order’ to make it sound like ‘the First Order’, since the original sounded like she couldn’t decide which word to go with.

Also, I don’t know if this is a Vimeo compression thing or not, but the scene looks a lot more blue than Ridley’s grade: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0B1NNN8U

Sir Ridley, is it possible to upload a version without color correction? I’d like to take a crack at matching it more closely to the other scenes. 😛

That Porg shot really shows the awkward side of practical effects.

Yes, that’s the Blu-ray, though seems like all of the bluray Special Edition shots are even worse than normal in terms of color.

Dre, there seems to be some artifacting going on, especially around the engines and wing cannons in the last bot example.

The first shot had too much blue in the shadows compared to the rest so I tried to make them all self-consistent, though perhaps not consistent with the rest of the base. it’s more ideal than reality on my part, but if Hal wants to make it consistent with the rest of the base that would be just fine. 😃

Very nice indeed.

That fighter take-off shot actually looks really natural on the print, despite the low contrast!

For comparison, here’s the blu-ray (and then some of my own adjustments):
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WL7NNN8X

The color grading of TFA is a bit of an issue with me (purple skin tones, oversaturation in general) but then again I’ve become hyper-sensitized to that sort of thing in the past few years making me into some sort of freak mutant person.

On the other hand, I’m really liking the look of Ahch-To in TLJ.

Here’s the final version, color corrected and with sound effects throughout (there’s an update in the dialogue only version which occurs at the final shot of the deleted scene):
https://mega.nz/#!PY91zIoA!_oooyXfcSpKP2y5S8ByVFqP21047yLs0dfH3OfS_MN0
Dialogue only:
https://mega.nz/#!Dc1HkZYb!KVlEf_XCOhcVpk74at9xgE48f58SzUrQuswIGl-JB4M
Music only:
https://mega.nz/#!iJkxQKiT!eUUNLx0Pq52bYxgdyD2K1i0fvzyeZjahW0Fv7vCjXTc

Hopefully everything’s all set for the final render now. 😃

This one seems to work perfectly, thank you!

How did they manage to screw up this wonderful color for the Blu-ray?!

I don’t know why it’s not working this time. Perhaps use Lagarith, I can render it from VirtualDub with that just fine.

Hrumph. My Premiere Pro won’t import the avi, says it’s unsupported or corrupted. It’s done this before on certain avi’s, would it be possible to render this with a more Premiere-friendly codec?

J0E said:

At this point, I’m surprised nvjc and Harmy haven’t just removed these entirely.

And what would this accomplish, exactly? Despecialized is widely available from many places, and this would just make it so that profiteering jerks would be the only game in town.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Look at things like the Ghostbusters remake or the Ben-Hur remake

I will continue to defend it. I enjoyed it, I laughed, so that made it worthwhile in my book.

I seem to remember the original Ben Hur wasn’t funny at all.

Brilliant! I’ll wait until the braid fix before integrating it though. 😃

ray_afraid said:

NeverarGreat said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

It’s faster, more intense.

What’s he talking about here?

I dunno, just found it on the interwebs.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

I have heard many men call female characters a Mary Sue. The only time I’ve ever heard anyone call someone a Gary Stu is in a sad desperate attempt to defend their use of Mary Sue.

I previously linked to a good example of the term in use, but here are some pull quotes from the reviews for your reading pleasure:

Ok, now I’ve heard it once.

If you can show me that Mary Sue isn’t used far more often than Gary Stu, I’d love to see it.

I’m not a miracle worker 😉

Don’t tell your new friend Maxim, it will break his heart. :p

Whence came you by the assumption that we agree? Especially since I have repeatedly stated that I do not think Rey is a Mary Sue. I think the only place in which you and I disagree on this subject is that I think that the term (both male and female versions) are accurate descriptions of certain characters and as such are acceptable descriptors in certain (albeit limited) scenarios, whereas you’re probably of the opinion that the abuse of this term has made it unacceptable for anyone to use despite its descriptive utility.

That’s a place where I’m happy agreeing to disagree, and leaving it at that. 😃

DuracellEnergizer said:

Agreed.

At least it will still exist for future generations, which was rather the point of the endeavor.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

I have heard many men call female characters a Mary Sue. The only time I’ve ever heard anyone call someone a Gary Stu is in a sad desperate attempt to defend their use of Mary Sue.

I previously linked to a good example of the term in use, but here are some pull quotes from the reviews for your reading pleasure:

Ok, now I’ve heard it once.

If you can show me that Mary Sue isn’t used far more often than Gary Stu, I’d love to see it.

I’m not a miracle worker 😉

TV’s Frink said:

I have heard many men call female characters a Mary Sue. The only time I’ve ever heard anyone call someone a Gary Stu is in a sad desperate attempt to defend their use of Mary Sue.

I previously linked to a good example of the term in use, but here are some pull quotes from the reviews for your reading pleasure:

“Holy special snowflake, Gary Stu.”

“Recommends it for: Those who like badly plotted male wish fulfillment Gary Stus.”

“-Gary Stu protagonist
-Sidekick(s)
-Fanservice love interest”

“Why not 5 stars? The ‘Gary Stu’-ness of the main character got on my nerves at some points”

“All I see is the mother (father?) of all Gary Stu characters, and a bunch of “oh I’m so original (but not so original that I’ll dispense with horses and inns and a sexist society)!” fantasy filler.”

“If you look to the left, you will see the main character introduced, Kvothe (aka, Kote, The Flame, E’lir, Shadicar, Reshi, The Thunderer, Macho Mage, Child Prodigy, Gary Stu, etc) in sweeping purple prose flowers all the way down your field of vision.”

oojason said:

I found this video to be of merit when talking about the supposedly ‘Mary Sue’ / overpowered / SuperRey claims about Rey (amongst other criticism of characters) in The Force Awakens…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iqN68PejEc

(^ It is a ‘response video’ to someone claiming the usual ‘Ray is a Mary Sue’ opinion - along with that TFA was anti-male and anti-family. Some interesting and well made points in there from Shaun 😃)

The guy Shaun’s responding to has probably the most toxic viewpoint on Rey that I’ve ever seen, by a country mile.

MaximRecoil said:

NeverarGreat said:
This is a good, well reviewed book:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/186074.The_Name_of_the_Wind
The main character is a Gary Stu.
Discuss. Or better yet, let’s not.

I’m not going to read that book, nor is “well reviewed” a guarantee of good writing (The Force Awakens is well reviewed too), nor am I going to simply take your word for it that the main character is a Mary Sue. Given that one of the most common arguments from Rey apologists is, “If Rey was a Mary Sue then so was Luke,” it’s obvious that many people don’t know what a Mary Sue is. Luke wasn’t even close to being a Mary Sue.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1069656