NeverarGreat

I bet the difference of opinion that people have over Rose saving Finn largely comes down to whether they believe that there was a chance of Finn disabling the gun.

Those who viewed it as a sacrifice with a chance of disabling the weapon probably have issues with Rose. Those that viewed it as a pointless attack with no chance of disabling the weapon are probably okay with Rose, since she prevented a senseless waste of life.

I’m torn on it. I don’t think it’s well communicated that his attack would have no effect, only that it’s a suicide mission.

I thought that the reason Luke considered killing Kylo was that he really was completely corrupted, and the reason he stopped was that he realized he’d be killing his own nephew. Luke’s action merely formalized Kylo’s inevitable turn and gave him a rationalization for his later evil.

Fair enough 😃 the Shmi already dead idea would be more efficient for sure.

One of the worst things about this movie for me is that Anakin basically turns to the Dark Side when he murders the Sand People. I remember seeing it the first time and thinking ‘well, I guess he’s evil now’. Then he admits this genocide to Padme, and she says, and I quote “To be angry is to be human.” Um, what? The guy just confessed to genocide.

So one idea I had to fix this is was that the slaughter could be played as a dream.

How it might work:

End Shmi’s death scene before Anakin becomes genocidal, then cut to Obi-wan’s story for a bit. When it cuts back, the nightmare scene from Naboo happens here, recolored to appear more in line with the interior of the homestead. It might actually help sell the idea to have Yoda picking up on his pain during this scene. Then we have the garage scene, and remove the present tense ‘they’re dead’, which implies that it wasn’t just a dream. Leave everything else that is in the past tense. Since there’s still some ambiguity as to whether it was just a dream, one final change would be a cutaway to Padme after she asks what’s wrong, where Anakin says ‘nightmares’.

That would have been a nice bit of context, even if the last few lines are overkill.

Leave it off, probably. Nobody was too concerned when it fell off the first time, and didn’t even notice this time.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

I seriously doubt that any new Star Wars movie will threaten TFA/RO at the box office.

TFA sure, be a long time till anything touches that, but RO? Really?

I’m putting them in different categories. Obviously Episodic releases have a better chance of outperforming spinoffs.

I seriously doubt that any new Star Wars movie will threaten TFA/RO at the box office.

Edited joke for clarity.

Warbler said:

Of course it is possible she could win. Look at who she’d be running against.

Yeah, but President Pence would have the Evangelical vote.

grafxuser said:

REPORT-SW-v2.7
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I have watched mkv V2.7 and the theatrical release on dvd and noticed there are some issues with the colour correction on some of the scenes in particular the first scene we see Obi-Wan Kenobi.

His skin tones are very similar to the background (sepia color) and R2-D2 blues is dull/dark.

The landspeeder seems to have lost it slight red tone. I am unsure if it’s most of the scene.

R2’s blue panels were oddly desaturated in that shot in the Blu-ray, so it required special attention in my project. What probably happened here was an effect of an overagressive global blue/pink reduction, which had already affected many of the skin tones before the file was handed over to Harmy.

I think the blue only really works long after sundown. I could do an orange/red version like in the comparisons, and refine it a bit.

ChainsawAsh said:

Possessed said:

TM2YC said:

“Normality” has been resumed. Thanks.

Frink isn’t there anymore?

Possessed wins the forum today. Everyone pack up and go home.

I’ll just take this with me then.

The problem with brightening larger areas is that brightening the lake destroys the illusion of night, and that takes up most of the image. The closeups of Anakin are especially bad because the bright mountain in the background need to be chroma-keyed, but maybe if someone was adept at Davinci Resolve they could isolate the backgrounds more effectively.

Collipso said:

NeverarGreat said:

Another thought related to the idea that the Mon Cal cruiser and bombing fleet is the final form of support from the Republic:

Vice Admiral Holdo could be explicitly identified as part of the Republic military.

For backstory purposes, she was only to be the one in charge of delivering the ships to the Resistance, except that when the Hosnian System was destroyed she became a member of the Resistance by default.

This would make Poe’s suspicion of her more believable, and make her role in the story more meaningful - she’s the last of the New Republic (as opposed to the Resistance) military leadership. Even her sacrifice is more poetic, since she’s more explicitly avenging the destruction of the New Republic.

How are you going to pull that one off?

The same way I pull everything off, Pinky!

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By including it in the crawl?

Thinking cap on!

Maybe instead of having some random official tell Leia that a ship is on its way in TFA, there could be an image of Holdo on the screen and there could be dialogue from offscreen:
"General, the Vice Admiral of the Republic has pledged her support!"
Or maybe see if there’s any of Laura Dern’s dialogue from another movie that could be used for this purpose.

Matt.F said:

Dre, you state “there is no doubt the First Order control the galaxy.”

I, and others claim that there is ‘some’ doubt!

The second sentence of the crawl says ‘now deploy’ meaning present to the events of TLJ. Plus barely any time has passed since the destruction of the Hosnian system.

But most pertinently we don’t see the FO controlling anything. They don’t have a presence on any planet. The Empire had troops stationed on a total backwater like Tatooine but the FO aren’t on any of the planets we see, so yes there is ‘some doubt’ over your “total control of the galaxy” claim.

Obviously the First Order doesn’t have military control of the galaxy yet, that’s explicitly stated in the crawl! The point is that the first words in the crawl are “The First Order reigns”. What does that mean? That means they’re in charge! Even if they aren’t in military control of anything yet, as Rey says it’s only a matter of weeks before they do.

I think that one of the big weaknesses of this new trilogy is that we don’t get to see the big picture, so we have to rely on things like exposition and character dialogue. But this dialogue is quite clear.

Another thought related to the idea that the Mon Cal cruiser and bombing fleet is the final form of support from the Republic:

Vice Admiral Holdo could be explicitly identified as part of the Republic military.

For backstory purposes, she was only to be the one in charge of delivering the ships to the Resistance, except that when the Hosnian System was destroyed she became a member of the Resistance by default.

This would make Poe’s suspicion of her more believable, and make her role in the story more meaningful - she’s the last of the New Republic (as opposed to the Resistance) military leadership. Even her sacrifice is more poetic, since she’s more explicitly avenging the destruction of the New Republic.

yotsuya said:

Many comments here have taken the First Order superiority so far to be that they are in charge. There is no evidence of that.

“The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.”

Reign:
a : royal authority : sovereignty

b : the dominion, sway, or influence of one resembling a monarch

To subvert expectations, you must first establish those expectations. This is one of the things that bothers me about TLJ, since either way it’s looking to the past instead of finding a new way forward. There’s no rule that you have to have a planet-destroying superweapon, or an AT-AT battle on a white planet, or a confrontation in a throne room that mirrors ROTJ.

It reminds me of my first attempts at writing an alternate PT. Even after writing the synopses of dozens of concepts that I thought were unique and brilliant, it was only upon later reflection that I realized that my mind was still subconsciously following the OT plot. It took a lot of time and thought and writing to find something genuinely original to say about this universe, and there just wasn’t enough time for JJ or Rian to do this.

Yeah, I got it to play in VLC by changing the demuxer to h.264, but it really should be in a more useable format.

Handman said:

8mm. A format of unusually high quality.

Even Master Yoda doesn’t have a quality that high.

The settings would need to be adjusted for each shot.

Sunset would be an easier time than night for sure, but since I just finished it, here’s the final video for the scene at night:

https://mega.nz/#!2JNmTaYK!F7r_Ozv2KWMkxPJVSXdPquFV6G32ApoA0kL8QDD0GJI

I don’t even know what to do about the first shot, since there are bright reflections in the water and it’s clearly mid day. The rest of the shots are some level of workable, though the closeups of Anakin are very rough. It might work better to just cut the longer shot out entirely since you’re just getting rid of creep factor, if you decide to go with this. Oh, and maybe boost the green and blue in the shadows, since it’s still a bit red.

For comparison purposes, here’s what I came up with for the sunset scene way back when this was first being worked on:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/00JNNN8U

The closeup goes way too red.

Here’s a test of the scene at night:
https://vimeo.com/250045636
Password: sand

I had to selectively brighten our heroes and key out the water, which was only moderately successful.

Hal 9000 said:

Here is the nighttime scene for anyone to take a stab at. I’ll edit the prior post to include it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ijkUtOTbBsQu3OChi0hRm9FMjU3tdq0K

I’ll take a look at it and see what I can do. I recall doing some mockups of the scene at sunset, which is easier to achieve than night. Day for night often requires some artificial brightening of just the faces in a scene for it to look at all reasonable.

For the Death Star prototype, have you considered replacing it with some sort of Imperial shipyard constructing their new fleet? That would tie into ANH (“It would take half the Imperial starfleet and more firepower than I’ve…”) and it would save the Death Star reveal for Rogue One. Someone skilled in CGI could probably manage it.

Alternately, if you wanted to keep a very early part of the Death Star construction, maybe you could contact this guy and his brother to see if they could provide you with footage from their already existent model: https://vimeo.com/246936220