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ChainsawAsh said:

Interesting idea, but I think it sets the audience up to expect that to be a focus of the movie when it ends up being minor subtext at best.

I wouldn’t say it’s a minor subtext, since the theme is shared across all of the main characters and the search for a missing person is the main plot of the movie. But I agree that any mention should be subtle so as to shift the focus of the theme without setting up a specific thematic payoff that doesn’t arrive.

Although, Rey’s main weakness is her desire for a parental figure which can never be truly fulfilled. If the audience also expected a tearful reunion of Rey and Finn with their respective parents, it would be that much more dramatic when it is revealed that such a reunion was never to be.

GZK8000 said:

Handman said:

Since most of the latter two prequels are CG anyway, you could probably get a pretty decent 4K image if you redid it all. Of course the actors would still look not so great.

This legitimately creeps me out.

They’re actually hovering over a fixed point of the planet, which means that the bombs would fall down towards the nearest source of gravity. Everything falls in space.

Or the bombs could have been magnetically impelled down the rails.

Or the topmost bomb in each line could have been pushed mechanically to move the entire line.

Or they could have been drawn to the more massive Dreadnought.

Or they could have been self-propelled like Maul’s probe droids from Episode 1.

There’s five potential explanations with a minute of thought.

So I was thinking about other ways to explain the First Order’s massive power, and I got to thinking about how a small Imperial remnant would have the ability to raise a massive army and man their huge base and fleet. The explanation from the movie was that their soldiers were taken from their families at birth and trained for their roles. This is an interesting idea, and something truly different than the clones and willing recruits of the last two trilogies.

I assume that most of the armies of the First Order are sourced from the worlds still under Imperial control, but presumably some are not. Imagining that there was some low-scale epidemic of kidnapping throughout the galaxy for years is a pretty dark reading of the movie, but one that I don’t think is unwarranted. After all, this is a recurring theme in the movie, with Snoke basically turning Klyo and a bunch of Jedi children from under Luke’s nose. With that in mind, here’s an idea of what a crawl would look like:

The galaxy is in turmoil.
Citizens from worlds across
the New Republic have
mysteriously disappeared.

Among those missing is
Luke Skywalker, last of
the Jedi Knights, and in his
absence has arisen a sinister
Imperial order. Armed with
a weapon of unspeakable
power, this FIRST ORDER
moves to destroy the allies
of the Jedi once and for all.

Desperate to avoid another
deadly civil war, the New
Republic funds a covert
RESISTANCE to counter
these attacks and find
their guardian of peace
and justice amid the
countless stars…

This reading also deepens the theme shared between Rey, Finn, and Kylo, which is abandonment by parental figures, and spills over into The Last Jedi to link into the Canto Bight plot.

chyron8472 said:

CatBus said:

Just in case you didn’t know: whataboutism is a real thing, it just hasn’t been a signature feature of American politics until recently.

To be honest, that was one thing I also didn’t like about Hillary’s campaign during the general election. She didn’t seem to be running so much for herself as she was running against Donald Trump. I liked her much better when she would talk about what she was for rather than when she talked about why Trump couldn’t be allowed access to nuclear codes.

To be honest, that was one thing I also didn’t like about Trump’s campaign during the general election. He didn’t seem to be running so much for himself as he was running against Hillary Clinton. I liked him much better when he would talk about what he was for rather than when he talked about why Hillary couldn’t be allowed access to the nuclear codes.

This is the quality content that I live for.

For a second I thought this was a promotional image from the Solo movie.

The idea that the soul is a scientifically measurable higher dimensional super thing is a comforting idea on first blush but becomes deeply troubling on further thought. Consider: if the soul is the only aspect of ‘you’ that survives death, and this soul is itself just a measurable thing which exists somewhere like the black box from an airplane, then there’s the possibility that it too could be destroyed, if only by a being of even greater and higher dimensions. It’s quite nightmarish to think that your essence could be in a vat somewhere being poked and prodded by godlike super-scientists.

As I’ve said before, the only way for the soul to be truly eternal and indestructible is for it to be defined as nothingness.

My reading of dozens of Near Death Experiences is that people go where they expect to go. Sometimes it’s unpleasant, but most of the time people believe that they’re decent.

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

On nudity: Women are built like a nice sportscar, men are built like a Ford Pinto. Most people would rather see the sportscar.

Wow.

Someone’s never seen Chris Hemsworth.

I can’t trust anything in this thread to be in its proper context.

‘Killing’ Luke was still a good move if they wanted any of these movies to really focus on the new characters. I’d like to see Rey take the lead throughout the movie, and only bring Luke back near/at the end if at all.

Just going by the film (and deleted scenes), I see Leia’s role as someone who has significant (but not majority) support in the Senate, but who had to create the Resistance practically by herself.

The idea I’m going for here is that Leia and the Senate have worked together on the Resistance, but her demanding the Republic take action against the First Order would be the one thing that the Republic has gone to great lengths to avoid. I agree though that the wording could still be better, to make it so that Leia has more agency.

Yeah, the rule that such Force projection would kill a person doesn’t make sense, since Snoke was able to do some version of that with Rey and Kylo without dying. Under Rian’s logic, since Rey and Kylo are equal in opposing sides of the Force, it makes sense that Snoke and Luke would have about equal power as well.

One more thought: Since Rey claims that she’s specifically seen the island tree library in her dreams, it might be worth it to put an image of the tree into one of the Force visions.

moviefreakedmind said:

You guys are more prudish than I expected.

You’re shorter than I expected.

My last attempt at a crawl failed to mention the Starkiller Base. Hopefully this solves the problem:

The galaxy is in crisis.
Luke Skywalker, last
of the Jedi Knights,
has vanished.

In his absence, an evil
FIRST ORDER has
emerged from a hidden
Imperial stronghold.
Armed with a weapon
of unspeakable power,
it moves to destroy the
allies of the Jedi once
and for all.

Desperate to prevent
another galactic war,
the New Republic funds
a covert RESISTANCE,
and tasks its leader with
finding their long-lost
defender among the
countless stars…

I’ve tried to cast the New Republic in a favorable light. Now it sounds like they’re the body pushing for this Resistance while still keeping the plausible deniability implied in the movie. Also, referring to the ‘allies of the Jedi’ as the First Order’s enemy explains both why the First Order is so antagonistic to the villagers and Maz’s establishment, and also why the Republic would want to keep the problem at arm’s length.

Nobody’s looking at SilverWook’s cooking.

Does anyone else get the feeling that America is in the midst of a political party realignment?

Now that everything that the (largely Republican) FBI does is labeled by the right as the ‘Deep State’, and the Republican congress and Executive branch has largely abandoned the traditions of those offices, it feels like Republicans have become deeply anti-traditional governance. Now Democrats are rushing to its defense, invoking the Constitution, giving governmental institutions the benefit of the doubt.

Similarly, the Democratic party is now more firmly the party of the educated elites, whereas the Republican party is courting more people who would otherwise be politically uninvolved.

fmalover said:

The reason TPM looks a lot more like a SW movie is because it was shot on film + they used real sets and locations which is its saving grace unlike the latter two prequels where Lucas went overboard with 99% CGI alien characters as opposed to the OT where non-human characters were either people in costumes or puppets and of course the obvious nauseating blue/green screen backgrounds, speaking of which, I once read that when Ewan McGregor was approached by Michael Bay for the movie The Island when he wrapped up ROTS he was reluctant at first because he was tired of shooting in front of blue screens and green screens but Bay told him not to worry because he prefers practical effects.

Breathe. Just…breathe.

What if they switched lightsabers at some point? There’s actually a few shots during the table fight where Obi-wan is holding Anakin’s lightsaber, but then there’s a shot in between where he’s holding his own so right now it’s a continuity goof. You could re-edit that section of the fight so that they lose their lightsabers, and show Obi-wan Force-calling Anakin’s saber to him. The next you see of them they’re fighting on the bridge where it’s too hard to see which lightsaber each one has. Then it’s just a matter of cropping a few shots or re-editing.

Sure, it still ends with Obi-wan’s lightsaber going over the edge with Anakin, but there’s enough of a difference in sabers between ROTS and ANH that you could chalk it up to Obi-wan making a new one.

Finally, you could include part of the shot right after Obi-wan picks up Anakin’s lightsaber, as he’s walking up the hill and starts to turn around. Then cut to a reaction of the lava streaming by, perhaps part of the shot before he says ‘you were my brother’, then the final shot of him walking away, though you’d have to crop it or paint out Anakin’s flaming body.

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http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/05/08/what-can-we-learn-from-the-full-track-listing-for-the-solo-soundtrack

I’m not going to read it so as to avoid potential spoilers. Probably time for me to leave this thread as well…