NeverarGreat

Hardcore Legend said:

TV’s Frink said:

We’re going to give them lunch and then complain they didn’t earn it like Luke did by crash landing on Dagobah.

Luke brought his own lunch to Dagobah. Yoda rewarded this level of planning with a gift of mud and wamprat stew. Luke was a better student, Yoda a better teacher. Nice going, Disney!

That’s ‘Wamprat’ Stew to you.

TV’s Frink said:

It was the only picture I could find in a 2 second search and “I’m so sorry” for quoting the prequels.

This is a good place for high quality screencaps.

TPM felt like Star Wars, and we could still pretend that there was a reason for its shortcomings. Maybe Jar Jar would become a decent character in the sequels, maybe midichlorians would be explicitly a part of Jedi superstition rather than science, maybe ending slavery would be an important part of Anakin’s drive to establish a powerful galactic government, maybe the only droids capable of holding off Jedi Knights would make more of a presence…

AOTC marked the end of my canonical Star Wars, and after ROTS the entire prequel trilogy was tossed.

Episode VI: VISION OF THE JEDI

The progressive Fabian Society at the turn of the 20th century wanted public schools, women’s suffrage, and an 8 hour workday. These were all extremely radical positions.

Progressives today mostly want a return to the levels of taxation in the late 20th century that led to the creation of the vast American middle class, and an expansion of the popular Medicare program which began decades ago to cover everyone.

Progressives are actually quite conservative in that regard.

TV’s Frink said:

Yoda and Chewie solving crimes in the Louisiana Bayou.

Someone make this please.

We already have a Star Wars character doing that:

Someone with VFX skills should replace McConaughey with Chewie. If he’s going to be indecipherable, at least we could have subtitles.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Even if they are more likely to behave in eco-friendly ways, it doesn’t matter. It’s like a business owner in the 1960s saying “I would never segregate my customers based on race, but I don’t believe we have a civil rights issue in this country and no action should be taken about it and I’ll vote for politicians that oppose civil rights legislation.” They’re still wrong.

It is wrong for someone to act like a racist in their own life, even more racist than those opposing policy actions, and yet clamor for change by society at large. That appears a pretty clear example of hypocrisy. Whether AGW is real, has all the characteristics you think it has, and requires the policy solutions you think it requires, is a separate and complex debate.

But NeverarGreat offers an interesting alternative explanation (although I don’t think it is about moral licensing). I think more study is needed to test that theory and the moral licensing idea. Another thing that struck me is that the skeptics reported taking public transportation more. In my experience, people take public transportation when it is (1) readily available, as in urban areas and (2) for economic reasons. At least for that issue, I think feelings of guilt would be attenuated. I take public transportation all the time and it has nothing to do with virtue. I hate the idea of sitting in traffic and paying for parking every day. The train is faster and cheaper. On the other hand I loathe buses but those who don’t own a car and need to get around to places where trains don’t run don’t have a choice. While views on the environment can have an impact, public transportation use is based heavily on these very different sets of factors. Being eco-friendly is costly and I wouldn’t be surprised to find a simple divide on that basis.

My theory is that a great many people who claim to believe in AGW, don’t really. They know it’s what one is supposed to believe and so they say so. I would liken it to those who claim to believe in a set of religious beliefs and yet that belief is superficial. Similarly I think there are those who sincerely and deeply believe in AGW lumped in with a great many people who merely pay it lip service.

I agree that public transportation would be based more on availability than Climate Change beliefs, which is why I suspect that there isn’t much difference in behavior between those believing in and those skeptical of Climate Change. I suspect that this study really just measures how people view the effectiveness of their behaviors.

Mrebo said:

A new study finds climate change skeptics are more likely to behave in eco-friendly ways than those who are highly concerned about the issue.

Diving into the specifics of this study was interesting.
On a scale of 1-4, with one being never and 4 being every opportunity I have, the skeptics consistently rated themselves around 2.5 in terms of behaving in Eco-friendly ways. This is exactly in the middle. However, highly concerned and cautiously worried respondents rated themselves at 2.

I think this is indeed related to moral licensing like the study suggests, but in the opposite way they suggest. Consider this article that was linked in the paper:

Uzma Khan, a marketing professor at Stanford who studies the psychology of buying, once asked study participants to choose between buying a vacuum cleaner or designer jeans. Participants who were asked to imagine having committed a virtuous act before shopping were significantly more likely to choose jeans than those not thinking of themselves as virtuous.

“That’s the amazing thing here: People don’t even have to do good for this effect to happen,” Khan said. “Even if they plan to do something good, it will give them a boost in their self-image. Any type of situation where you have guilt involved, you will see this, and so this happens in luxury goods.”

The idea is that imagining oneself to be virtuous allows for cheating and bad behavior. The study’s authors assumed that under the theory of moral licensing people who are highly concerned or cautiously worried would view themselves as virtuous and thus increase their scores:

Other possibilities for these results involve the “Highly Concerned”: Perhaps they engaged in moral licensing (Merritt, Effron, & Monin, 2010), whereby their concern about climate change psychologically liberated them from engaging in (and reporting) pro-environmental behavior.

I suspect that their reasoning is backwards, for as someone who would identify themselves as highly concerned about Climate Change, I don’t feel virtuous or liberated by this view. Quite the contrary, believing in Anthropocentric Global Warming imparts the feeling of guilt on behalf of my species, exactly the type of feeling that would make people underrate their Eco-friendly behaviors. People who believe in AGW pretty much agree that humans aren’t doing enough in terms of these behaviors, themselves included.

Similarly, a person skeptical of Climate Change would be free of this guilt, and would be more likely to equivocate on their report and state an answer that was exactly in the middle of the scale.

TL:DR:
People concerned about Climate Change believe they really need to do better at buying green (and indicate this on reports), whereas skeptics place themselves comfortably right between never doing it and doing it all the time.

Oh, and the study isn’t exactly new (The data was from 2014-2015)

snooker said:

NeverarGreat said:

Since Tarantino loves using Samuel L Jackson, why not imply that Windu turns into Vader?

That way you could still have the suit and the Vader hints if you’d like.

I don’t know how that’d be executed, but it sounds lovely!

I also feel like the Vader footage, if it’s present and not implied to be Anakin, would be confusing.

Characterize Windu as a Jedi who believes in the light side because he thinks that it’s naturally stronger. When he confronts Palpatine and sees his companions cut down effortlessly, he gains more respect for the power of the Dark Side. Anakin senses that Windu wants to assassinate the Chancellor and take his place, so he goes to stop him. Anakin here could be painted as a stalwart defender of Republic ideals. Anakin arrives just as Windu raises his saber to strike down the Chancellor, but then disfiguring lightning rains down on him. Palpatine screams about unlimited power. Scene end.

There are plenty of directions to go after this. One way to do it would be to show the attack on the Jedi temple without showing Anakin’s involvement. Show only one shot of a mysterious hooded figure, then the activation of a purple lightsaber.

Obi-wan discovers the massacre at the temple as Palpatine consolodates power. He has sent Vader to Mustafar to wipe out the Separatists, and we see brief flashes of a figure with a purple lightsaber striking down these enemies. Obi-wan fears that Anakin has done these things, and goes to Mustafar. It is here we see Anakin on that planet.

When Padme confronts Anakin, he explains that it was Vader that murdered so many, and he arrived too late to stop it. He further explains that he hoped to destroy Vader here, but he had already gone when he arrived. After he destroys Vader, he plans to capture Palpatine and put him on trial, and in so doing learn from him how to save Padme. Obi-wan then appears, and Padme collapses, perhaps in part due to the volcanic air along with the shock of Obi-wan’s anger. Anakin wants to bring her to the ship, but Obi-wan seems convinced that Anakin is a threat. He wonders just what happened in Palpatine’s chambers and how Anakin escaped the Chancellor unscathed. He believes that Anakin is really this Vader, and they fight.

In their final shouting match, Anakin laments how all the Jedi could turn against him and the ideals of the Republic, whereas Obi-wan blames Anakin for not helping Windu end the Sith.

Implying that Anakin is dead on the volcanic slope, and that Windu was disfigured from Palpatine’s attack like he himself was, would be all the justification needed for a mysterious masked figure to appear in Episode 4. Unfortunately, there’s still the problem of Obi-wan’s line ‘A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil’. Though if this is only a fanedit of ROTS, you might be able to get away with the idea that Obi-wan taught Windu.

dahmage said:

moviefreakedmind said:

related to Data and Seven of Nine.

Your family reunions must be amazing

Take it to the out of context thread.

Since Tarantino loves using Samuel L Jackson, why not imply that Windu turns into Vader?

That way you could still have the suit and the Vader hints if you’d like.

jarbear said:

I was going over your cultist

chyron8472 said:

Possessed said:

Yes and everybody in star wars looks normal and like a natural person you’d see who didn’t do anything to alter their own appearance!

People in Star Wars generally look normal for their contextual environment. Holdo is on a Resistance capital ship fleeing the First Order. She’s not on Canto Bight. And no other human in Star Wars canon bothers to dye their hair wild colors. Why she would dye her hair purple as well as pile her hair into that crazy hairspray-intensive hairdo, while in the circumstance she faces makes no sense.

Recoloring her hair to a normal shade would make her more believable in such a serious situation.

Looking like she belongs with the fat cat weapons dealers is kind of the point though. Poe (and the audience) don’t trust her because she doesn’t feel like a part of the Resistance. If she were just another commander, would we have bought Poe becoming mutinous?

Having watched the first two episodes, I’m ambivalent about the enterprise. It’s definitely feels like an old TV show that’s been remade with a huge budget, and I like the scope and more realistic depiction of the universe. I just worry that the plot will be too simple to justify these huge vistas.

Those look really nice! The extra brightness makes everything really pop. It looks like the shadows are rather crushed though, and some gradients have shifted too green. But overall it’s a big improvement.

The theater we saw this in was quite noisy. At one point three of us had to turn around in unison and ask the three people sitting behind us to shut their pie holes.

As for the movie itself, it was a long movie that seemed to fly by, keeping me engaged throughout. Few of the sad moments took me by surprise, but I was suprised by the sheer amount of humor in it, especially in the first half.

This isn’t the best Marvel movie since by its nature it’s overstuffed with heroes, but given these restraints I’m hard-pressed to think of how they could have achieved a better result.

Highly recommended.

Mocata said:

NeverarGreat said:

My headcanon has long been that the slaughter was just a dream sequence that George accidentally edited as if it really happened. This makes sense of Padme treating it exactly as she would a bad dream.

Nah it’s George thinking… hmm what would a bad person do? And then child killing becomes his only character trait besides whining all the time.

Your characterization of his thought process is…kind of outrageous. It’s unfair. How can you be the creator of Star Wars and not be a genius?

wwdarth said:

DrDre said:

Darth Lucas said:

DrDre said:

I’ve done a quick color correction of the first reel of poita’s 1997 SE scan, which also serves as a color reference next to the technicolor references for my regrade. Here are the Tantive IV shots and a few Tatooine shots as a bonus:

Not necessarily an error, as it probably is how it was graded in the first place, but seems the closeups of that one rebel soldier have noticeable more mint color in the walls than surrounding shots.

Yeah, poita also noticed the color balance of the SE print is all over the place.

Watching STAR WARS SE theatrically in 1997…during the LEIA/VADER scene on the Tantive IV…I clearly remember the color timing actually changing within a single shot…Leia’s skin tones clearly fluctuated during one of her responses. I saw it multiple times at different locations, so it was not merely a screwed up print.

Quite a few shots in the Blu-ray change color through their duration (Sometimes I had to blend two corrections through a shot), so it’s probably a case of degradation in the negative after 20 years.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

They’re right about one of those two.

Aw come on, we know you love Poe too.

Everyone drops the shields for Poe, even #teamPhasma.

My headcanon has long been that the slaughter was just a dream sequence that George accidentally edited as if it really happened. This makes sense of Padme treating it exactly as she would a bad dream.

They’re right about one of those two.

A computer cannot go against its programming.

I think it might be good, I’m imagining something like Netflix’s new Voltron series.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-resistance-series/

This is new. I wonder what Frink will make of an ‘anime’ Star Wars show.

2018 ‘Star Wars: Resistance’ animated series - Wookieepedia Page : Lucasfilm Wiki Page : IMDB Page : Wikipedia Page

I guess now it’s pinned. I was hoping that we would just keep it at the top of the page through constant spamming.

Now the only thing that bugs me is the ‘an’ in the title isn’t capitalized.

These clips share the same weirdness of Rey and Leia, then cutting to the Falcon exterior, then back to the group shot.