NeverarGreat

That’s almost certainly due to the temporal noise reduction in the original Blu-ray. The algorithm that was used often couldn’t handle an object moving against a static background, leading to the background getting ‘smeared’ around the moving object.

This issue is fairly ubiquitous throughout the film (examples that comes to mind are C-3PO trudging behind a dune and R2 moving down the canyon right before he’s shot), but it’s more noticeable here since I’ve brightened the image so much. There is actually one shot in which I fixed this issue, by rotoscoping in detail around R2 from the SSE:
https://diff.pics/5H4o2DcPEHdM/14

canofhumdingers said:

Isn’t there an accent mark over the “e” in official publications? Which would make it “OH-lee-AY”?

That’s how I’ve been pronouncing it.

Telion said:

Fair, I hadn’t thought about the timing. But actually I have an idea. What about only having one spy, say something like “They’re here” or “It’s here” but its ambiguous who is being notified. Still have tension but we can assume that the resistance is the one being told, and that the first or found out. Or vice verse and Maz told Poe because apparently they’re best buds (stupid TLJ).

That’s could work well. Han even says when they get to the castle that the First Order ‘isn’t far behind’, so presumably Kylo wouldn’t even need an informant at the castle to know. That would mean that there need only be a Resistance informant in the castle, and I’d choose the lady since she is more integrated into the scene and her somewhat sinister look would sell the ambiguity of her intentions.

I also really like that Maz’s castle hasn’t been infiltrated by the First Order because that makes Han a little less stupid for bringing BB-8 along even when he knows the droid is wanted.

dahmage said:

NeverarGreat said:

Danfun128 said:

So…is this more detailed or less detailed compared to other major preservations like the Neverar Technicolor version of the 2004/2011 SE? Is every frame that’s in the GOUT accounted for here?

My thoughts on this are here, but the short of it is that it’s differently detailed. The major difference other than the SE changes are that the colors are less consistent in 4K77.

Psuedo link

D’oh.

Fixed.

Danfun128 said:

So…is this more detailed or less detailed compared to other major preservations like the Neverar Technicolor version of the 2004/2011 SE? Is every frame that’s in the GOUT accounted for here?

My thoughts on this are here, but the short of it is that it’s differently detailed. The major difference other than the SE changes are that the colors are less consistent in 4K77.

The act of writing fiction can be viewed as a way of consciously expressing the subconscious biases of the writer. Almost invariably I look back on things I wrote years ago and cringe because of these biases expressing themselves.

Why did I include no female adventurers or characters of color in my fantasy epic? Not because of any real historical precedent, but simply because they were also absent from Lord of the Rings and the other old stories I would read. Why do my characters roughly conform to elf/dwarf/hobbit/human standards? See above.

This is why I feel like it’s important to have discussions about inclusiveness and diversity in all aspects of the writing process - artists only have a single viewpoint and it’s not uncommon to only realize too late that your subconscious crafted a message that you as an artist did not intend.

Of course it’s a different story if that diversity is mandatory and bureaucratic, but I can’t speak to that aspect of the creative process.

towne32 said:

rodneyfaile said:

I want! I want!

How does it look compared to the most recent Harmy?

Now I just have to figure out how to get it!

It’s not easy to compare them directly. The color is pretty different at times. But it’s graded in a per-reel way instead of per-shot, so there is much less user-introduced bias for shots and scenes in 4K77.

The video quality is very high compared to the SSE. Lower than the blu-ray, but more consistent than Despecialized, and in a small number of shots, higher quality. There is a lot of grain, and you’ll see the natural excess of grain on effect/composited shots in 4K77.

There are still stray scratches, dirt, etc, here and there. But it’s minimal, and the cleanup is pretty great. Still, some people can’t stand seeing even a small amount of that.

I’d argue that there’s more detail overall in 4K77 than in the Blu-ray. The Blu-ray has been degrained, sharpened, and regrained so that the resulting image is very ‘flat’, meaning that fine details in already in-focus areas are distorted, whereas out-of-focus elements are sharpened. So whereas the impression upon seeing the Blu-ray is that it is sharper, you’re losing the natural depth of field from the original photography. 4K77 retains this.

The most noticeable issue with 4K77 is the inconsistent color grade, but that’s just how it looked on a Technicolor print.

Tyrphanax said:

Jay said:

Jeebus said:

TM2YC said:

Jay said:

mass killings… why didn’t we see them when guns were even more readily available?

When were guns less prevalent in the US than today?

Interestingly, the murder rate has been going down for quite a while now. It raised a bit in recent years, but its nowhere near the rate it was in the 80s.

EDIT: That’s just the general murder rate, gun murders are, indeed, going up.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-murder-rate-is-up-but-still-far-below-its-1980-peak/

Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but it looks like the percentage of murders committed with firearms went up, not the absolute number. But yeah, crime is relatively low, though you’d think it was the purge based on media coverage.

Jeebus said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

I think Jay’s argument is that those arguing for anything approaching a ban on guns don’t account for the fact that so many of the killings will still happen. And I think that’s right.

We can’t stop all the killings, so let’s not try to stop any of the killings.

Sounds great.

How many of the killings will stop if we ban the scary guns? That’s an honest question. I’d like to know how many of the people who would die this year would not die if the scary guns were banned, because those are the only ones that stand a chance of being banned outright.

In 2014, 248 people were killed with rifles. That accounts for 3% of all gun deaths, 4% of all gun deaths excluding non-classified firearms. If we took that 4% figure and applied it to the 1,959 gun deaths caused by non-classified firearms, that would be an additional 78 people killed. So, 326. Assuming that “scary guns” just refers to assault weapons and not all rifles, then the number would be less than 326. The question is “how much less?”

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

Disclaimer: There’s a decent chance I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Thanks. This is the core of what I’m arguing. Even banning ALL rifles, including the non-scary ones, would have a minimal impact on overall gun deaths, and that’s assuming that at least some of those rifle users wouldn’t commit the same crime with a handgun. We’d have to be far more restrictive in our application of gun control to have a significant impact on gun deaths.

Yeah, I believe I’ve made a few in depth posts like this before with many facts and figures and statistics that show that gun crime is fractional (but over-reported) and that we see many hundreds more deaths from automobiles and cars every year, but generally they are glossed over and not talked about.

Give it a few years and these problems will solve themselves, with self driving cars + self shooting guns.

Jay said:

TM2YC said:

Jay said:

Ask Londoners if they feel safe with people getting stabbed every night

Broadly speaking the answer would be yes. London is one of the most populous cities in the world. One murder is statistically tiny and no danger to the majority but one is still far too many.

Except it’s 36 fatal stabbings so far this year in London.

But at least they didn’t use a spoon.

I’d much rather be a bystander in a knife fight than a gun fight. It’s pretty hard to kill hundreds of people from your balcony with a knife, and if someone does break into your house and you’re in the kitchen, you’re both equally well armed.

So glad to see this finally finished. I hadn’t been following it too closely, but the final product looks really impressive, sharp and undeniably Technicolor.

Can’t argue with that.

Smithers said:

Also MAJOR UPDATE: I’ll be recording Anakin’s dialogue with a child actor soon, the equipment’s all pretty good and my lines are all written. If anyone wants their own lines recorded; just ask and I’ll supply the goods.

Excellent!

Just thinking out loud here: If the line delivery ends up being substantially better than the original versions, it might be a very useful resource to have all of the original Anakin dialogue re-recorded. It would be quite the endeavor, but just having an isolated voice track for a major character would be useful for faneditors.

Only the Sith FBI could have removed those files.

It’s almost certain that they’ve removed them to protect the integrity of their investigation.

Yes, but I have a hard time imagining that the scratches on the TIE cockpit would disappear even when DVNR’ed.

The film damage doesn’t appear on the GOUT, so I doubt that it is on the Negative.

LordZerome1080 said:

Would you be offended if I used a cantaloupe after I get the blu rays?

NO CANTALOUPE!!

Seriously though, only new members to the site need to prove they’ve got the blu-ray. Though since you have admitted that you don’t yet…

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

Mrebo said:

I look forward to many of you being this old and cheerful, hopefully Jay keeps it going that long.

Living shortens my remaining life.

WYSHS

WISHS

Mrebo said:

I look forward to many of you being this old and cheerful, hopefully Jay keeps it going that long.

Reading the comments on that article shortened my life.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

Yet there’s no black bar over R2, whom we all know is the most foul-mouthed bucket of sass to ever grace the screen.

There is in my edits!

Finally, some competence.

a_o said:

are there any screengrabs of lightsaber shots from v2?

Are you referring to my project of Dre’s? Because I’m still waiting on Harmy for sabers rotoscoped in from print sources before completing v2.

Yet there’s no black bar over R2, whom we all know is the most foul-mouthed bucket of sass to ever grace the screen.

I’ll go with the landspeeder through mos eisley shot as well, though if deleted scenes were in the running I’d suggest the Biggs and Luke Tatooine scene 😉

The music is a bit strange between “stun 'em” and the door opening. I feel like it would work better without any music at all, or just a continuation of the subtle theme from later in the elevator.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/henry-kissinger-ai-could-mean-the-end-of-human-history/559124/
When I saw the image, part of me wondered what Hal was doing writing on the Atlantic.